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Brilliant story with lovable characters!


Very character driven, the story reveals itself bit by bit and the latter episodes have you biting your nails when things are revealed.

I don't want to spoil anything, but stories intertwine and when things come together it's explosive.

Through it all is the darling Tiger. Such a HUGE heart and the best friend anyone could ask for. Darling, DARLING character, and I don't care what anyone says, I think he's cool. xD

There are a few things about his character that remind me of Spike Spiegel too, but I'm sure that's not deliberate on the creators' part, it's just me - it all revolves around Spike.

I'll probably be posting again with spoilers. Please watch the show on hulu or http://www.vizanime.com/series/10133/0/asc first. There are only 25 episodes (so far :). You can thank me later. :)

Seriously. The characters are people you can love and the story is brilliant.

I too am childish and hate to lose.
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My 2nd favorite anime at the moment! Only comes after Bebop! Love it! Really hoping there is more.

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Yaaay! Good taste, y'all! :)



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Continuation from the Bebop thread.

Season 2 IS possible due to how INSANELY well season 1 did. It was a smash hit, hence them greenlighting the films right after it's conclusion. By the way, i read that there will be 3 movies, not 2 :), i can't wait until they get released stateside. Viz already has the rights to the 1st apparently.

The only thing i gotta say i was disappointed with in the series, was that Rock Bison didn't get his own episode, & Dragon Kid/Origami Cyclone did. That was a total bummer, i was ALOT more interested in Bison than them. They could have done it too, to make it an even & much more standard 26 episodes. Plus it would have been nice to see his & Kotetsu's relationship expanded on other than they're just best friends.

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Oh I know the pressure must be on for a season 2. If they can swing it and keep the quality up, maybe they will (and not do what they did with Cowboy Bebop, which looks like what they're doing).

I know what you mean about Rock Bison. There is a recording out there that covers Antonio and Kotetsu that tells what they were like in school and how they met (and how Kotetsu met his wife). It hasn't been released outside of Japan, but someone HAS uploaded the recording. It hasn't been translated though and I don't know if there are any plans to do so. My Japanese isn't anywheres near good enough to get more than the gist of what they're saying too. :(

I wanted to see a Rock Bison episode too. I think they spent more time than they needed to on Blue Rose. Hey, maybe the third movie will cover that period of time that was done in that extra recording.

Have you seen http://thisissternbild.com? This is where I've been getting most of my information about the show. I started watching it right after it finished airing because I was too wrapped up in Death Note. I have a couple of friends who don't know each other who were ranting and raving about it all over twitter and I knew that was a show I was going to have to watch. I'm kind of sorry I waited, but not really - no way would I have survived waiting a week to find out what happens next in some of those episodes. xD

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Nope i never checked out that website, i will check it out for sure when i have some more free time, Thanks!

It's so awesome to find someone else that loves T&B!! Alot of people expect a season 2, & to be honest, i'll be shocked if it doesn't happen.

I'd like to see that animated, a little background on their friendship & how Kotetsu met his wife, that sounds like it would have been a fantastic episode.

What do you mean by "not do what they did with Cowboy Bebop"

I gotta say i was a little disappointed with Death Note, i did enjoy it, in fact i loved it. Then it hit somewhere around the episode 25 mark where L dies, & the rest just left a bitter taste in my mouth.

What are some of your other favorite anime?

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What do you mean by "not do what they did with Cowboy Bebop"

I gotta say i was a little disappointed with Death Note, i did enjoy it, in fact i loved it. Then it hit somewhere around the episode 25 mark where (spoiler redacted) the rest just left a bitter taste in my mouth.


Yeah, that WAS a bit of a cryptic statement, wasn't it? What I meant was, like Bebop's creators, these folks are making one season and a movie or two then just walking away from it leaving people clamoring for more. :)

You know what? Regarding Death Note, those feelings you describe are almost universal among fans of the show. I only stayed with it because I wanted to see how it ends, but I've watched it many times and I have come to something of an appreciation for the second half of the series.

I have a LOT of animes that I love, lol. I have my list here: http://myanimelist.net/animelist/MrsSpooky With a few exceptions (in the dropped section), I would recommend all of them.

How about you?

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I was talking to a guy I work with about Death Note, and he actually enjoyed the second half of the series just as much (maybe more) than the first. He contends that it was all part of his plan to be killed; if Light took the bait, he was checkmated down the road. A variation of the Lind L. Taylor gambit. I don't disagree with him, but the thing I enjoyed most was the cat and mouse game between L and and Kira. By taking the route they did, the writers sacrificed the best part of the show. I can admire the move made by the writers, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it works from a dramatic standpoint.

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I've heard that theory and I can go either way on that. Sometimes I agree with it, sometimes I don't, sometimes, I just don't know. It's entirely possible.

And I agree, I loved the cat and mouse part too, and the two being in each others' heads. And frankly, L cracked me up to no end. He was the funniest character in Death Note, IMHO and the show lost a lot with him gone. Plus I always looked at Near as being an L wannabe. They did have some good stuff in the second half though and I can say I was never bored.

And I can't wait to hear your take on Taibani (T&B) second half. :)



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Okay, Spooky, I'm starting it up again. I'm left scratching my head after episode 14 -- which is a shame, because I really liked the other Blue Rose episode. This one was just annoying, though. Well, onwards, I suppose I shall continue. It's still mildly amusing, and maybe a shifting focus to Kotetsu (judging by your remarks) will be able to get the show out of its rut.

And hey, Sawfan! Spooky talked me into watching this show, and I made it halfway before deciding to take a break (which I filled with Durarara), and she asked me to keep her informed of my opinion (which isn't entirely positive, but it could be worse). So what the heck, may as well.

P.S. It's things like this that keep me from taking Death Note seriously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nocO0wQLspM

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I'm glad you're finishing it. I am telling EVERYONE to watch it, fully realizing not everyone is going to love it. :) Most people do, some think it's ok, and one person I've seen commenting on something T&B related actively hated it.

I understand how you feel about episode 14. I have to say though, that's one of my favorites.

OMG THAT VIDEO you linked IS HYSTERICAL! LOL

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Martin Stett

T&B is fantastic! I personally love the show, & every episode as well!

I just checked out your post "looking for new anime"

I seen you watched Kino's Journey & apparently enjoyed it, you should check out a show called MUSHI-SHI, it's the same formula, but better, MUCH more unique, the storytelling is brilliant & the artwork is amazing. If you don't like it after the 1st 2 episodes, you won't like it, the show is an acquired taste, it's not your standard One Piece/Naruto BS with no substance & all action that everyone goes crazy for, there is NO action at all, it's a very slow paced show, but the story more than makes up for it.

Other than that, some of my other favorites are Cowboy Bebop, FMA Brotherhood, Samurai Champloo, & The Big O, If you're looking for an older classic, check out The Irresponsible Captain Tylor or some of the Lupin movies. If you do like mindless action shows, i'd recommend YuYu Hakusho, Dragon Ball or Toriko.

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HOW COULD YOU DROP LUPIN!?!?!? I recently bought the movies, & have been loving them(well, most of them), i hear the tv show is watered down version of the movies, if you have a chance you should check out one of the movies, Voyage to Danger or Island of Assassins are both considered top tier anime films...Or check out the new series Woman Called Fujiko Mine.

Of your list, i've watched Bebop(my fave), Trigun, Akira, Darker Than Black, Death Note, Durarara!!, Samurai Champloo, T&B. Sword Art Online i'll be watching on Toonami, i'm told by tons of people it's garbage, but i'm giving it a shot.

I dropped Outlaw Star as well, Hellsing was ok, heard Ultimate was alot better, from the 1st episode, i definitely agree, Baccano! was decent from what i watched.

My favorites
DBZ(more of a sentimental favorite as it was my gateway drug...i mean anime)
Bebop - Actual favorite
FMA Brotherhood
Tiger & Bunny
Full Metal Panic Fumoffu? - The funniest anime i've ever seen, hands down.
Samurai Champloo
Gun X Sword - Since you like Bebop & Trigun, you should LOVE GunXSword
Code Geass
The Big O
YuYu Hakusho
Irresponsible Captain Tylor
Mushi-Shi
Wolf's Rain
Trigun
Black Lagoon
Durarara!!
Lupin movies
Noein

I'm currently watching
Ghost in the Shell
Toriko
Samurai Seven
& Eureka Seven.

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Recommendations/favorites

I keep hearing a lot about Mushi-shi. It looks insanely boring, but everyone suggests that and Haibane Renmei for KJ fans. I'll add it to the list. KJ loses a lot of focus in the middle, but several episodes are beautiful, and I would love love love to find more stuff like it. I despise mindless action in TV -- I can take a 2 hour dose in a movie, but TV doesn't have the budget needed and the stories go on too long to work as that sort of escapism.

What precisely is The Big O? Isn't it over a hundred episodes long? I normally (well, always) despise shows that go on that long, but I don't know anything about it. Also, if I was bored out of my mind by the first episode of Stand Alone Complex, is it worth giving more time? I mean, that was one of the least impressive starters I've ever seen, but everyone says the show is great.

As for me, my favorites are still a small group: Bebop, Baccano, and Madoka Magica. And some movies, but they're a different medium. But I'm just discovering my inner otaku. For every show I don't like, I'm finding two that are greatly enjoyable. And Madoka Magica, which can't be classified as enjoyable, but it is very, very good at making me whimper and sob and hide under the covers.

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Just started episode 16, not a minute in. I'm calling it now, What'shisfacethevillainguywhoreallyneedstochilloutandgetagirlfriend is the son of Mr. Legend. Kinda obvious after that opening, but it's a cool twist, all the same.

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Well, episode 16 gives me a lot to talk about!

1. My prediction would have been a lot more impressive if it wasn't confirmed five minutes later.
2. The strippers are wearing Jason Masks!!! WHAT KIND OF PLACE IS THIS!?
3. Ben is pulling all the strings and manipulating everyone behind their backs for the purpose of taking down Lunatic. I have no basis for this, I just think it's cool. And I want Ben to be responsible for kicking a little ass.
4. Just how much of a coverup do you have to go through to not know that Lunatic is the Judge? Judging by what was learned in this episode, he's got to be on file somewhere. There may be multiple people with his power, but no one else has access to the information that he gets as part of his job. No one has thought to investigate him yet?


edit: This has nothing to do with T&B but... did you know that Johnny Young Bosch, who played Izaya Orihara in the dub of Durarara, got his start as the Green Ranger in the Power Rangers franchise? I just realized this, but apparently, Shizuo knew all along...

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/3695/186911-durarara_____07___lar ge_30.jpg

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You'll love Mushi-Shi, i'll be genuinely surprised if you do not. Especially when you use terms like "beautiful" to describe KJ, it tells me you can appreciate a good story like that.

The Big O is a 26 episode series, about a negotiator named Roger Smith(voiced by Steve Blum), who works in Paradigm city, a city that was destroyed 40 years earlier, & no one in the city has memories of what happened prior to the incident. Roger reminds me of Bruce Wayne, except more of a smooth talker with a bit of an ego. The 1st season is mainly purely episodic, while season 2 is the main plot that season 1 left off with. It's a fantastic mech show, that has great characters, & a mystery. It also has a film noir feel to it, i love that smooth jazz soundtrack...

here's the 1st episoed dubbed, give it a shot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M8aac7p0k8

I've only watched episode 1 of Ghost in the Shell as well, so i can't really say anything lol, HOWEVER, i also thought episode 1 was a tad underwhelming, especially since i'm told it's one of the best animes of all time.

How much more of T&B have you gotten through?

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I thought The Big O was one of those 200 episode series. Huh. Sounds cool. I'll put it with Mushi-Shi (Check out, then decide).

I watched episode 17 (Kotetsu visiting his family) today. Good episode. I still think the series as a whole is sorta lame, but it was a nice change of pace.

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Thoughts on episode 18: Niiiiiiiice costume, Jake.

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I did love that outfit. Pretty sharp. xD

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HOW COULD YOU DROP LUPIN!?!?!? I recently bought the movies, & have been loving them(well, most of them), i hear the tv show is watered down version of the movies, if you have a chance you should check out one of the movies, Voyage to Danger or Island of Assassins are both considered top tier anime films...Or check out the new series Woman Called Fujiko Mine.


I have to admit, my watching it wasn't under the best of circumstances. Someone came into the Cowboy Bebop board and called Bebop a ripoff of Lupin. Then he listed the similarities (mostly in character design). I do know that some physical characteristics were taken from Lupin - Spike's build perhaps and definitely his shoes, etc.

Anyway, I decided to check it out and got the first DVD from Lupin III from Netflix. Did NOT like the first episode. Didn't like the characters. Yes, I could see the design similarities, but no, didn't like it. Watched a few more episodes and my attitude towards it changed from just not liking it to an active dislike. Then I got the idea that it was just a crappy show and this guy was insulting Cowboy Bebop even worse than it looked at first glance, so I went back to the board and flamed the troll.

I think it was supposed to be humorous, but it wasn't funny at all. Mostly because I started hating the main character so didn't feel the need to go beyond the first DVD. Dunno if I tried something else if I would hate it less. I might, but I have too many other anime shows I want to watch.

I recently heard about Btooom! and I want to check that out - I hear it's on crunchyroll.

Aku no Hana - The Evil Flowers is a current one that just finished up that I started but stopped after 4 episodes. It was too David Lynch for me and just creepy as hell. It was rotoscoped too, which is very different for an anime, but yeah, I couldn't handle it so I quit watching. A friend watched the whole thing and I'm trying to get him to tell me how it ended. lol


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I saw one of the Lupin movies; The Castle of Cagliostro. It was Hayao Miyazaki's first theatrical work, (he did work on the show as well) and being a rabid fan of Miyazaki, I decided to watch it. It was pretty fun. It felt like a goofier version of an Indiana Jones movie. Had a lot of that fun pulp flare that made Indy so enjoyable. I wouldn't be averse to watching more of them, but it isn't high priority. You may want to give that movie a try though. And yes, the character designs are obvious influences, especially with Jigen(?) and Jet.

I've seen two more episodes of T&B. I wish I could say I didn't see it coming, but... c'mon, with a name like that, you know the guy will have powers of some sort. And if he's not introduced as a hero, then obviously, he's a villain. Cool power, by the way. One of the most interesting powers for a supervillain I've seen. I'd love to see a hero with that power though, and see what sort of things one could do "for good" with that.

And the ending to episode 20 (Kotetsu being chased by the mind wiped heroes) was a terrific cliffhanger.

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WASN'T IT THOUGH?? I thought that whole thing was brilliant, poor Kotetsu!!



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I predict that he'll get out of this jam the way he gets out of all of them: by accident. Probably by slipping on a banana peel and hitting Blue Rose on the head on his way down, thus reminding her that her hatred of him surpasses any feeble memory wipe.

By the way, I'm enjoying that the villain (the current one, anyway -- all of them seem to fit this description, come to think of it) isn't an omniscient chessmaster in this show. He seems to be screwing up fairly often and having to backtrack and correct mistakes. It makes the schemes more interesting as they unfold, knowing that they could go wrong. And all of the villains seem to over rely on their powers: Jake's overconfidence in his mind reading meant that he got outwitted... by Tiger. Buuuuuuuuurn. Maverick is having to redo all of his plans because he placed too much faith in his ability to misdirect people. And Lunatic... doesn't really seem to be overdoing the whole fire thing. Which is good. If he turns into Liz "I just blew up my hometown" Sherman, I will cry. And then watch Hellboy again. There is always a good excuse to watch Hellboy. Always.

Another note: "Poor Kotetsu?" He'll be fine, he's been in jams before (although probably not of this magnitude). I'm worried about Kaede. Something like this is likely to put more strain on her than she's used to handling.

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LOL! I can't tell you how much I look forward to the email I get from the message board system that says that Martin_Stett has replied to a message in the Tiger & Bunny board. :D

Don't want to say any more for fear of spoilers, but I have to say I LOVE Lunatic! I also LOVE his backstory/origin story. THAT put me in shock. And I loved Kotetsu's reactions to Ben's relating the story of what happened to Mr Legend, Kotetsu's hero.

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My predictions were actually pretty close to the mark. I'm proud of myself. Tiger was saved by the coincidence of Kaede managing to get all the way to the roof of the building without being stopped by security guards and Blue Rose was the only hero to give him a chance. Other thoughts:

1. Isn't Tiger losing his powers? That thread seems to have been temporarily dropped. Plot convenience, I suppose. Doesn't really bother me.
2. That security guard at the beginning of episode 22: lovin' the mustache, m'boy.
3. In episode 23, we shall learn that neither Tiger nor Bunny can swim, and they shall need rescuing by the cruise liner, declare a five minute break, and proceed to break each other.
4. I'd say something about the Tiger impostor, but the second it was introduced it was obvious what it was, so no point in playing with speculation there.
5. I predict that this subplot will end with Barnaby demanding of Maverick "Did you ever flashy thing me Albert? DID YOU EVER FLASHY THING ME!?"
6. I've never said this before, but let it be known that I'm digging Mr. Lloyds. Probably has something to do with Darran Norris' acting, but the guy manages to crack me up, annoy me (on behalf of Kotetsu), and make me sympathize with his job all at the same time. From the very first episode I've been a fan of the guy. He's arguably my favorite character.
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Point number 7: What are the child labor laws on Sterbild? Someone at Hero TV has managed to not only hire a 12 year old girl from China who probably has no concept of the language, let alone the law, and put her on TV fighting criminals. Probably at minimum wage, too.
8. Since when could Origami Cyclone meld with brick walls?

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Heheh, how far have you gotten, episode 22? Most all your questions are answered.

Regarding Dragon Kid - no idea. She's a NEXT, so there may be different rules.

Origami Cyclone didn't merge with the wall, he just imitated it.

Oh, you're watching the dub. I've seen the first episode dubbed. Seen the Japanese version 17 times before it was dubbed, trying to watch it is creepy, it's completely wrong - the voices and performances. Just not used to it (and I famously detest dubs anyway).


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Dragon Kid is being exploited! Get the ACLU on the case now! A kid can't work for three hours (plus rehearsal time, admittedly) as part of the ensemble in a play, but they can star on TV arresting murderers with superpowers without anyone protesting?

I understand your thoughts on the dub; I'm the same way with Baccano especially: the Japanese doesn't seem right after hearing the American cast. I'm sure the Japanese version is good, but my heart has been stolen by Bryan Massey and Christopher Bevins. T&B has a solid, but not outstanding dub. I hate hate hate the actors playing children (with the exception of Kaede's actress), they sound unbelievably fake. But Norris has done a good job in all of his roles. The top reason I watched the dub instead of sub was because he got me so into the story as Lloyds and... the announcer guy with the loud suit. I'm a little disappointed in the dub overall, but it's been a pretty good go.

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There's no way of telling how long a day she has at work though. It IS dangerous though, even if it's not a lot of hours. Yeah, I'm scratching my head over that a bit.

The only dub I can watch (or even WANT to watch) is the Cowboy Bebop movie. Whenever I watch it, I flip a coin to see if I want to watch it subbed or dubbed. I can accept the American voices for the movie but not for the series, is that weird? I think so.

That said, I thought they did a fabulous job with the Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex dub. I saw several episodes on Toonami. The acting was great - Mary McGlyn was perfectly cast (she sounds quite a bit like the Japanese Motoko) and the acting was really good. I still prefer the Japanese (it has the Japanese Spike Spiegel in a dual role, so I was in heaven), but I didn't completely hate the dub.

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Finished episode 23. Next time, I'll watch the final two episodes back-to-back.

My thoughts on this one are quite simple: How boring. The show got a good head of steam going for that past five episodes or so, but this was one long (long long) set up before the final boss. Well, his henchman. I'ma just gonna have Relm cast Fire 3 and smoke this guy while everyone else has a lunch break, 'kay?

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Really, you thought it was boring? I loved how they resolved that one problem but I did think it odd that Kotetsu kept calling him Barnaby. I wondered why they did that, but of course, it was calling him Bunny that snapped him out of it.

Probably because I love Kotetsu so much, but I choke up when Kotetsu cries or tears up. Plus I'm a chick, which probably explains a lot, ha ha ha ha.

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I thought the dub was exceptional, it's not my favorite dub, but it's very good, the only one that really sucked was Laura Bailey as Dragon Kid, she does do a good child voice, & shes usually a great actress...but it sounds like she's phoning in her performance, like she just didn't care about the role.

Liam O'Brien & Steve Blum(Spike Spiegel) KILL it as Lunatic & Jake Martinez. Wally Wingert is pretty awesome as Kotetsu, Yuri Lowenthal does a solid job as Bunny & my personal favorite, whoever voices Fire Emblem, he's a newer voice actor, but he's damn good, & that voice is hilarious! Those are the standouts for me, personally.

I know this is somewhat off topic, but if you ever give dub a chance Spooky, here are some of my personal favorite dubs...
Yu Yu Hakusho - NOBODY could convince me the sub is better, ever. Go listen to the 4 leads in Japanese & English then come back. The chemistry brought to life by the 4 leads, Justin Cook(Yusuke), Chris Sabat(Kuwabara), Chuck Huber(Hiei) & John Burgmeier(Kurama), is nothing short of spectacular. John Burgmeier as Kurama is one of the single best dub performances ever. Also, Chuck Huber freakin rules as Hiei. The creator says the dub beats the original in every category, that's pretty special.

Bebop - Even the creator prefers the dub, thats gotta tell ya something lol. Steve Blum was perfect at capturing Spike.

DBZ(FUNi dub) & DBZ Kai - No disrespect to Masako Nowaza, but I'll never listen to girl Goku. Won't happnen. DBZ was a great dub for an early one, & for Kai, Every one brought there A game for it.

Black Lagoon & Death Note - Brad Swaile is a total badass. He plays Rock & Light, respectively. Honorable mention goes to Maryke Hendriske as Revy in BL, she OWNS that show.

FMA Brotherhood - This one is always brought up in the best dub of all time topic.

Code Geass - Just go look at the cast list, the sheer quality of actors they were able to get is astonishing. They pulled out all the stops for the dub.

Baccano! - While i didn't particularly love the show, it was solid, but not amazing, the dub was absolutely perfect. Same goes for Durarara!!

Samurai Champloo - Another dub where the creator has said it's leagues better than the original.

Trigun - While at first i didn't care for it, but over time i grew to love it. Johnny Yong Bosch & Richard Cansino NAIL it as Vash & Legato.

Toriko - The cast clearly love their roles, they are so over the top & it fits the tone of the show perfectly.

There are your fair share of painful to listen to dubs.
Tenchi - SOOOOOOOOOOOOO fn bad, the lead actor sounded like a horrible imitator of Kermit the frog

Outlaw Star - Cheesy acting

Elfen Lied - Only because the guy that plays Kohta = WORST DUB ACTOR EVER, maybe with the exception of the Kermit the frog imitator. I guess there is a reason these 2 only worked on 1 or 2 shows. The other actors for the most part were solid.

Most say Naruto as well, i don't watch it, but when i read comments, the most popular one is the dub actress for the lead is "ear splittingly bad"

99% of 4kids dubs.

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The whole Bunny/Barnaby thing was predictable and cheap. And Kotetsu is a nice guy, sure, but I'd rather watch a show about Ben. Or Mr. Lloyds. Or Kaede. Or Agnes. Or anyone but the heroes (although Blue Rose and Sky High are cool).

My rule is watch the first episode dubbed, and if I don't like it, check out the sub. Which means Death Note, Durarara and Madoka Magica were all subbed for me; I didn't like Light in DN, I didn't like Mikado or Masaomi in DRRR, and I didn't like anyone in MM. although I'm willing to give it a shot in English if I watch it again. My truly exceptional dubs are:

Baccano -- This rivals Bebop for me. Everyone is perfect, which is a big deal in a show that has roughly 25 lead characters. The only misstep was Eric Vale as Huey -- zhee Fraunch awksent wazh zho over the top. Several other characters sport accents as well, some of them quite heavy, but they all seemed authentic. To my untrained ears at least.
Bebop -- Even the extras nail their parts. I can't think of a single line that doesn't sound right.
Kino's Journey -- Kino and Hermes are played with depth by their actresses. And Kelli Cousins has an amazingly ethereal singing voice. I feel transported to another place when she starts up a song... In fact, I'm singing a song from this show right now.
Madoka Magica (Japanese) -- A case where the Japanese is not only far superior to the English adaptation, but managed to steal my heart away. Chiwa Saitou is heartbreakingly effective as the cynical bitch Homura and Emiri Katou is simultaneously charming and chilling in her role. Everyone else is very good as well, but the script of MM doesn't lend itself to scenery chewing acting. Suffice it to say that they succeed all the way around.

Anyway, I won't be around this weekend, so I'm off to watch the finale now.

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I would like to see links to statements where the creator is saying that the dub is better than the original. :) I've seen Shinichiro Watanabe say that he thought the Cowboy Bebop dub was very good and he liked it a lot, but better? I've had a number of people tell me that (for Ghost in the Shell also), yet I have not been able to find where they've actually said that, so I do know that the belief is fairly common. If you don't mind, I'm going to suspend belief on that till I see their own statements to that effect.

The only dubbed part I heard of Trigun is that video someone uploaded of Vash stating his "whole name" on the train to Wolfwood. I agree, Jonny Yong Basch knocked it out of the park, at least in that speech. xD Dang, wanted to link the video but can't find it now. :(

One of my biggest problems with dubs is the approach that seems to be taken to the whole activity of voicing animated (cartoon) characters is that to my hear, the dub actors sound like they're talking for cartoons. I'm thinking Saturday morning children's programming. The Japanese actors seem to approach it like doing live action dubbing - they sound more like people talking and not Saturday morning cartoons. I also hate some of the liberties they take with the dialog translation to get the English voices to match the Japanese language mouth flaps. On more than one occasion, the change has COMPLETELY changed the meaning of a scene, character and show. I'm not saying subtitles are perfect (I've caught some errors), but I think the voices and (for the most part) performance style were more to my liking.

I don't want anyone to think I'm cutting down the American dub actors because I'm not. That's a difficult job and they are very good at what they do. Like I said, it's the "style" or approach that's taken to voicing the characters. It just sounds Saturday Morning Cartoons to me when I hear dubbed anime.

I DO want to hear Blum's Jake Martinez though - I'm betting he had a BALL doing that character and I can almost hear his voice. I loved Jake anyway, such a scenery chewer. LOL

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One of my biggest problems with dubs is the approach that seems to be taken to the whole activity of voicing animated (cartoon) characters is that to my hear, the dub actors sound like they're talking for cartoons. I'm thinking Saturday morning children's programming.
In the past that was definitely the case, but dubbing has become more respected now, and the actors and directors take their jobs seriously. I think changes really began happening around 2003-2004 -- someone saw the success of dubs like CB and tried going for it, and now most of them are very good. Mary McGlynn should get honored for being the lead pioneer in English anime direction. CB, Wolf's Rain, even children's shows like Digimon Tamers (which I still remember from watching as a kid -- didn't know until recently that McGlynn was involved, or that Steve Blum played Guilmon. I'm still laughing over that thought). Other directors have followed in her steps and those like her, making anime much more accessible.

As for liberties, most of them I'm fine with; sometimes they get out of hand, but things have been getting better here, too. And yes, you need to hear Blum's Jake. He made me laugh out loud on several occasions.

So, I finished the show. It was an okay ending, but it didn't mean anything to me. Agnes stole my heart away with her feats of kickassery, my favorite part of the finale. But the rest of it was kind of dull and predictable. T&B is basically a "Saturday morning cartoon," as you put it, but I didn't develop the attachments to the characters that I did in the best shows. I was emotionally distant and didn't really care about what happened. I watched it, and I'm sure I'll forget about it within a week. Not to say that it was bad, per se, just that I found it predictable and didn't suit my fancy.

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I love this anime... wish there was another season (which would most likely be about the Ouroboros organization) I loved the dub, I can't imagine re-watching this show in Japanese. Well actually I've heard Kotetsu's voice in Japanese and couldn't stand his voice o_O sounded like an old man lmao

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