would you still think what she(he) did was as bad?
Obviously we all agree that what she did, sleeping with two guys while in a relationship with someone else, is pretty awful, but I'm talking about that double standard where girls are sluts while boys are pimps.
Not wishing to start some angry shouting swearing ARGH DOWN WITH FEMINISTS dealio, just wondering what the current opinions on the whole situation are.
I don't understand the hatred for Josie. She falls for Kingsley, almost straight away and from there on is where she goes wrong. Like all of them, she is utterly clueless, she has only ever been (or so it's perceived) with Dave, and Dave seems to be a controlling and manipulative character. She tries to split up with him, but hasn't got the balls to, and only agrees to get engaged after a row with Kingsley. JP was just a tit for tat shag. I think it's a bit pathetic the double standard between men and women, and I honestly don't get the "slag" badge she's been labelled with. A totally misunderstood character, and very typical of university.
shareShe tries to split up with him, but hasn't got the balls to, and only agrees to get engaged after a row with Kingsley.
JP was just a tit for tat shag.
I disagree lol. This is what uni is like. It is hard to find your footing and for most it's a scary experience. If a guy did it there would be no problem. She is just a totally confused teen embarking on adulthood.
Im sorry, what? Who had Dave shagged that made it a 'tit for tat' shag?
Read what I wrote, not once did I mention Dave, that was all to do with Kingsley.
I'm a girl and I do have double standards. Which I know is wrong but is hard to shake.
If a girl had done what Kingsley did - sleep with two guys within the space of hours I would probably think less of her. But I don’t really have a problem with Kingsley – it was amusing. The feminist in me hates my instinctive reactions sometimes.
But cheating on a partner of two and a half years who loves you? I would consider a guy who did that to be an absolute villain. I have double standards in that I would think a lot worse of Josie if she was a guy.
If it was a guy who slept with one housemate the first night and then asked them to keep it a secret because he was ashamed of shagging them?
And then was furious when they told the truth to another housemate who he had been flirting with, because that spoilt his chances with them.
Hoping to hook up with the second housemate at a party but his plans are ruined when his loving girlfriend of two and a half years (whose existence he has not mentioned to anyone) unexpectedly shows up.
Despite clearly wanting to be single at university not having the guts to break up with his girlfriend back home.
Cheating on his girlfriend again with a girl he has led to believe he is single.
Getting engaged to his girlfriend who he clearly does not love because things are hard at university.
And when his girlfriend finds out he has cheated on her with two different girls and dumps him, blames one of the girls he cheated with?
I would seriously hate male Josie.
I agree. If the genders were reversed no-one would even think of defending Josie.
shareRead what I wrote, not once did I mention Dave, that was all to do with Kingsley.
By my age you have seen it all lol, and I saw far worse when I was at uni. To me she is not that bad, she is a totally misunderstood character.
She wasn't going around offering to "deflower virgins" either, she likes Kingsley, she wants to be with him, it was her way of getting closer to him, everything she does revolves around the fact she likes Kingsley so much. Plus, he is a grown adult, you make out like he is a child, when in fact he is far older than her.
Also, you mention the first night she cheats on him, this is true, but when you leave home, not really an adult yet, it is a scary, daunting experience, unless you experience it for yourself it's hard to appreciate.
She wasn't going around offering to "deflower virgins" either, she likes Kingsley, she wants to be with him, it was her way of getting closer to him
Plus, he is a grown adult, you make out like he is a child, when in fact he is far older than her.
when you leave home, not really an adult yet, it is a scary, daunting experience, unless you experience it for yourself it's hard to appreciate.
Then she needs to break up with Dave, she can't have her cake and eat it too.
She did try to break up with Dave.
Plus, he is a grown adult, you make out like he is a child, when in fact he is far older than her.
I am referring to Kingsley.
I personally have not cheated, I have been cheated on many times however. I know several friends who this has happened to, and most of the time it is through deep insecurities of their own, that they cheat and I do not judge anyone.
You are in the minority on staying faithful at uni. Out of about 10 couples I knew that went off to uni, only one survived, and yes there was cheating involved. You clearly (like my friend) deeply loved your boyfriend, it is clear Josie does not.
but if she doesn't love him why did she agree to the engagement? women. honestly
'it never occurred to me that skin could determine identity'
Where did you get the idea that Kingsley was far older than Josie?
shareJosie is straight out of school. Kingsley differed several years to take care of his mum, first episode Howard says something like the wasted youth, in a council house with your sick mum is true then.
Character profile for Kingsley states this also;
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fresh-meat/articles/kingsley
Weird, I guess I missed that. I stand corrected.
shareYeah, she 'tried' to break up with Dave, she didn't try hard enough. The girl needs to grow a back bone.
With the age-Kingsley thing. I don't get what you mean. How am I making out as if he is really young? And what difference does the age make??
Im not saying most couples will stay together at uni, the majority won't. What I am saying is if you feel the need to be free, single and shag who you wan't at uni (which is fair enough) then at least have the decency to break it off with your former love and let them get on with their lives rather than stringing them along. It's heartless, unessacary behaviour.
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(a guy cheating on his girlfriend the first night he is away from her and going round offering to de-flower virgins) would you still think its par for the course?
This sounds like an older person creeping on younger innocent people. Age makes a huge difference.
She wasn't going around offering to sleep with every guy on campus either, it was one guy who she really, really likes, and if you remember it only came about because Vod and Oregon spun the wheel, and egged her on to do it, she is desperate to be included in the group.
She clearly finds it hard to split up with Dave. He is her first boyfriend, and ending your first relationship is hard. She hasn't deliberately set out to hurt anyone, she has just made several mistakes, because she is totally clueless about relationships, it's teenage high jinx, far, far worse happened to me at that age, and I am still friends with those guys. Tis' the Follies of youth.
I was in a similar situation to Josie's my first year of university. I decided to see my long-distance boyfriend one more time, make sure I didn't feel the same way anymore, break up with him, and get with the guy I liked at university, in that order. Yeah, it's hard being a teenager but no one's saying Josie's an evil person, just, y'know, a girl who's not doing what's right in this situation, and is hurting several people because of it. Hopefully she grows as a person for this experience and realizes that sometimes you have to do hard things.
shareThere often is a double standard but I don't think it applies here. The reason people hate Josie isn't her promiscuity, it's the way she manipulates Dave and Kingsley, tries to have it both ways with regards to her sex life, and has the nerve to self-righteously scold everyone else without getting her own house in order. Her treatment of Kingsley borders on straight-up harassment. I wanted to jump for joy in Episode 6 when Josie was bitching about what was "best for Vod" and Vod just told her to fück off.
shareup until the most recent episode i would have agreed
i think they stretched it too far
i mean JP is already a tool, so i guess that's why you give him a pass. i don't have strong love for him. i was disappointed in kingsley too.
with both josie and kingsley, you think- aw well i thought you were better than that. sigh
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She's one of the best characters in the show, regardless of gender.
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double standard where girls are sluts while boys are pimpsI think if Josie was a guy I would have actually hated her, but as a girl I find her behaviour not as bad... Not saying what she did is okay, because it obviously isn't, but I can kind of understand that she's just confused and tries to become independent (from her boyfriend) but fails. Had she been a guy, I would have probably thought something along the lines of 'He's such an inconsiderate manwhore and he doesn't deserve to be with (female equivalent of) Kingsley'.