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Why Japanese so very cruel?


Historically, culturally, psychologically...what are the reasons for their extreme cruelty to prisoners as well as those they conquered?

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I can only speculate, but I believe it isn't specific to Japanese. In every war there is extreme cruelty. History is written by the victor, so many cruelties aren't recorded or remembered. I'm not sure if Japan has properly worked through their holocaust. But they certainly aren't alone or special.

I guess it boils down to three things:
1. culture and brainwashing of being superior among inferior races (rationalization of cruelty)
2. systematic and planned eradication or subjugation (not just random war crimes)
3. unquestioning submission to superior officers (bushido? code)

The scale makes it more shocking, but imho isn't really relevant. The rescuing allied forces in the end are displayed as honorable etc. but don't believe that any nation is immune to reverting to barbarism. Our civilization is just a thin mask that can quickly crumble away. When water or fossil fuel or food will get sparse you will see new wars just as horrible. Or maybe we won't? Maybe the drones and killing machines of the future will kill quick and painless.

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The interesting contrast between the German and Japanese atrocities is that the German stuff was much more hidden. People have the impression that the holocaust was openly known to everyone, but the Germans took great pains to tell the population that they were shipping undesirables off to newly conquered territory to the east, to live seperately from Germans.

Whereas the the Japanese, their atrocities were rarely hidden. Entire military units would make a contest out of beheading prisoners. They'd round up women and children into a tall building and set it on fire and watch them jump from the roof in desperation. Their newspapers would cover these incidents and it would be celebrated back home.

Not to downplay the evil of the Germans at all, but the Japanese never get their due - I consider them to be as evil or more than the Germans, but you almost never hear about it, whereas you've heard about the holocaust at least 100,000 times in your life. 

In addition to that, the official policy in Japan is dangerously close to the equivelant of holocaust denialism, whereas at least the Germans are thoroughly ashamed and sorry for what they did.

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False equivalency. Japanese used prisoners for meat, routinely conducted bayonet practice on POWs and civilians (including infants), did horrific scientific experiments on live prisoners, etc.; it goes on and on. None of the Allied forces acted like this, and justifying the Japanese actions with the argument that "everyone does it" is disingenuous and disgusting revisionism.

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Sorry, I'm not trying to justify anything. The Japanese still need to deal with their *beep*

I'm simply saying it's easy to say "those Japanese are cruel" or "the Germans are evil" but that in itself is borderline racism. Sure there are cultures and ideologies that promote these kind of horrible atrocities more than others, but my point is that you can see this stuff in all cultures.

Just look at the horrible lynchings in the USA, the French in their treatment of their colonies. Or the English. Or the atrocities when Yugoslavia collapsed. Or ISIS.

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1. culture and brainwashing of being superior among inferior races (rationalization of cruelty)
2. systematic and planned eradication or subjugation (not just random war crimes)

Sounds like a lot of historic encounters between a lot of different cultures. To give one example, this perfectly describes the approach of European colonists toward the native North Americans. The number of dead may even outnumber any other well known atrocity, depending on how you keep track. There's more than enough cruelty to go around.


Tell me the truth. Are we still in the game?

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You do realize that we are doing nearly the same thing though on a much smaller scale. We waterboard accused terrorists who have not been proven innocent or guilty. We torture people in the Middle East. We kill innocents.

Are we not more cruel? After two world wars we should know better.

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You do realize that we are doing nearly the same thing though on a much smaller scale.

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I take it "we" refers to [small a] america?

the only thing you can say for america is that like Germany they did their genocide in Nam as a "quick and easy" form of death, simply dropping Hail Bombs [Napalm to you] from on high onto the millions below.

it is "debatable" [to those millions killed] if gas chamber death was "better" than Hail Bomb death but ya gotta give it to the americans they did it far more efficiently in a ONE step operation rather than first gassing them before the BBQ

as Dylan said

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And then we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.


God [any denomination] always helps in mass genocide

http://www.kindleflippages.com/ablog/

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You are an oxygen thief. Waterboard yourself please.

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The infamous Stanford Experiment should tell us that anyone
anywhere can descend into inhumanity. Add to that an enemy
that your country has spent a great deal of effort demonizing
and you have a recipe for the worst sorts of cruelty that a
human can think of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Experiment

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There's truth in that, for sure. Then again there is the Bushido Code that the Japanese military held to historically that drove their pursuit of total war past the point of human decency into immoral evil.

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The Japanese with all" Pride and Honour" B U L L S H I T , They have no respect for soldiers who surrendered. The great Lord Louis Mountbatten of Burma refused to honour the Japanese war dead after the war because of the treatment of Allied troops.
Just imagine the Human life lost if the Allies had to fight all the way to Tokyo in WW2? Harry Truman made the correct decision with Hiroshima and Nagisaski.
The Japanese treated the Chinese equally when they invaded China and the Chinese to this day will NEVER permit Japan to be members of the security council of the UN And the Japanese government always refused to apologise for their actions after the war, they only "regretted" what happened.
If you look at the Japanese today all this Honour crap causes many to commit suicide when they lose their jobs, Their view of the sanctity of Human life is warped .
Of course its strange that they have such a massive Porn industry.. seems " Honour" doesnt matter there.

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As far as the cruelty part is concerned, so many nations have committed atrocities, and I would not think it is right to specifically target the Japanese. What bugs me is the fine Japanese art of projecting themselves with what you call this "pride and honor, bushido, samurai *beep*

I agree so much with your post.


Darkness lies an inch ahead

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No more cruel than the Chinese, or the Serbs, or the Croats, or the Sudanese, or the Lybians, or the Congolese, or the Germans, or the Russians, or the ....


It is sadly human nature, for some horrible reason. The extent of atrocities created by soldiers, throughout time & throughout the world, is mind-numbing.


- And the US military also has it's share of dark secrets, (on a massive scale, actually) but they are very good at keeping it out of the press or burying it under the rug.

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On Chichi-jima the Japanese served captured American pilots like cocktail wieners in their officers' club. They carved meat off living soldiers. The Germans never treated American POWs like that. The Japanese were demons.

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The West does it, too. Some examples: the starvation blockade against Germany that continued after WWI, fire-/terror-bombing of population centres such as Dresden and Tokyo, the atomic bombs, the Final Solution, concentration camps (e.g., South Africa during Boer War, U.S. during WWII), WWII rapes of European women by U.S. and British soldiers, genocide of North American Indians, slavery, colonization, torture, Guantanamo Bay.

The weak are made to suffer and it's always rationalized away.

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True, but the Japanese were somewhat extreme in their mistreatment of POWs. See my other post for an explanation.

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Your ignorance is absolutely breathtaking! I can't think of a bigger waste of time to even try to reason with such an idiot. You know NOTHING about any of these events; all you do is lump up into a mountain of crap, and think that people who have to be even more stupid than you would fall for it.

What a damned shame you didn't wind up in Jap hands in WW2. You're the kind of moron who needs an object lesson.

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They were cruel because they traditionally abided by the Bushido code, which was the old Samurai caste system. Military officers had full authority and power over subordinates, considered themselves superior, and could subject civilians, privates, and lower-ranking officers to beatings (sometimes to death) at will. Also. they had a lot of other extreme militaristic attitudes and traditions. Combatants in war were expected to fight to the death, and surrender was considered extreme cowardice. Enemies who surrendered were treated as sub-human and unworthy of life. Read "Flyboys" for a good explanation of WWII Japanese military traditions and behaviors. The trouble with that attitude in war is that it cuts both ways. When the Japanese started losing, American/British were less likely to want to take war prisoners. A lot of people in the West rejoiced after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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