Imdb, sort it out.
This is a film, not a tv series. The creator even told you that, and you act like you know better then the director.
shareIt is a TV series, shown on TV and structured in various episodes at uniform broadcast length. It may have been shown at a film festival, but so have Dennis Potter's BBC plays and that doesn't magically make them into movies instead of TV.
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No, it was made as a documentary film. If you read the film's Sight & Sound article, you can see the director approached IMDb to change this, but they refused. Or didn't take notice.
There's no "magic" needed you fairy.
Then his historical revisionism doesn't just extend to the many errors he makes about plots, history or even the sexuality of directors in the TV series - backed with mony from TV companies, marketed by its sales company as a TV series and referred to by Cousins himself in other interviews before its broadcast as a TV series. If he wants to retroactively pretend that a 15-hour TV series was somehow a movie, that's no reason for IMDB to change their classification of projects as films, direct to video or TV depending on how they are distributed.
"Security - release the badgers."
Wtf are you talking about. Accurate facts, content quality, running time or even source of finance don't effect if something is categorized as either a film or television show.
I guess that automatically makes 'Shoah' a TV series because it's nine and a half hours long.
From the S&S interview:
"Problematic has been IMDb's billing of TSOF as a TV series, just because they saw it on TV. We hope it works well on the small screen, but it was shot and cut for the big screen as well. My producer John Archer and I have pointed this out to IMDb, but they seem to think that they have the right to decide what it is. So many people around the world use IMDb that it influences how the work is perceived."
While it may have been shown on TV, he has taken it to film festivals and clearly wants it to be defined as a documentary film. He is the director, and even if you hate it and it does have "errors", he should be allowed to choose what it is known as.
On the contrary, the WTFs are all relating to your and Cousins absurd insistence on a program made, financed, aggressively sold and distributed purely as a television series - and repeatedly referred to by Cousins as a TV series in interviews promoting its UK broadcast - is somehow suddenly a movie because it had a few festival screenings but, critically, no theatrical distribution anywhere in the world. It may piss him off that it's not eligible for film awards (his real motive for wanting it reclassified), but that doesn't change the nature of the TV series that he made. It's as absurd as saying that Doctor Who or Torchwood are movies because the recent series have actually had more theatrical screenings than Cousins' little ego trip. And no, he shouldn't be allowed to pretend a cow is a horse on a site that lists movies, TV shows or videos depending on their mode of distribution. This ain't Shoah - which had healthy theatrical distribution around the world as a commercial release and is therefore an absurd comparison.
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Um...The Shoah point was made because you seemed to be claiming that length effects what it is categorized as. I really don't give a *beep* anymore man, I think we've exhausted this argument. And you're just repeating yourself now.
shareNothing to do with length (though Shoah is six hours shorter) and everything to do with theatrical exhibition - which this never had and was never intended to have. And the reason I'm repeating certain points is because you're going out of your way to ignore the relevant points about why this is not, and never was, a film:
1. Cousins himself on numerous occassions referred to it as a TV series in interviews promoting its UK broadcast.
2. The show was financed as a TV series (and contracts licensing extracts from films with at least one company specifically refer to it as a TV show).
3. The show was aggressively sold to buyers as a TV series by its sales company.
4. The show had no commercial theatrical exhibition. The show's UK distributor, Network - which lists it as a TV programme - actually specifies that it is only available for non-theatrical film society bookings.
5. The IMDB classifies projects by their mode of distribution, not what their production companies or directors say they are.
Sorry you're too exhausted to address any of those, but if it makes you happy to keep on repeating that Mark Cousins retroactively decided to call it a movie, knock yourself out.
"Security - release the badgers."
same goes for you. You seem to have a passionate hate for this Mark Cousins guy
shareYou seem to have a passionate hate for the truth. It's a TV series - always was, always will be, no matter how much you and Cousins pretend otherwise. I've not ignored the dishonest arguments Cousins has put forward, but you're still going out of your way to ignore the simple fact that Cousins was quite happy to call it a TV series when it was being broadcast - and clearly signed contracts specifying it was for non-theatrical exhibition, therefore ruling it out from being called a film according to the IMDB's classification (and every just about industry classification too).
"Security - release the badgers."
Dude, I get that, you keep repeating it. I was just pointing out that there is a S&S article, the most respected film magazine in the world, implying it is a movie.
And a passionate hate for the truth?? wtf.
I'm very neutral on the subject, I don't support or oppose Cousins, but you obviously do. Creating a huge bias for your argument. So if you're looking for truth in the matter, as ambiguous as the term is, I believe you're 'truth' is a little more slanted.
Sight and Sound isn't even the most respected film magazine in its own country, let alone the world.
And far from creating a 'huge bias,' I'm simply listing all the factual reasons - including Cousins' own repeated description of the show as a TV series when promoting it. That you refuse to address that and insist that none of it matters because Cousins has retroactively decided to call it a movie (even though contractually its own distributors acknowledge it cannot be theatrically distributed in its country of origin and the supposed 'film' has had no theatrical distribution anywhere in the world!) shows that you're the one with the slanted agenda, no matter how much you try to project it onto others in your to reclassify the show as something it's not when their definitions are decided by a project's mode of distribution. Neutral you ain't, but passionately biased in your determination to ignore the truth you certainly are. For someone who's supposedly not that bothered, you're investing an awful lot of effort and denial into this.
"Security - release the badgers."
I understand it was a television series, I got your point about two weeks ago. But it sounds to me like it is both a film and TV series, and I believe that to the respect of the film maker, he should be able to choose what it is classified as.
And you saying I have a bias is absolute BS. Your hate for the filmmaker is a huge bias, you're claiming it should be a TV show, because that is less respected then it being a film; you have a hugely distorted view out of some personal dislike for this guy.
And can you enlighten me on some better film magazines? I'm pretty sure the world doesn't sit up and take notice when any other magazine does a greatest film list.
And I hope you're not thinking Empire.. I mean real film, not Hollywood.
Also, the fact that you're reduced to doing patronizing smiley faces, doesn't make you superior to me, or look any more intelligent.
I believe that to the respect of the film maker, he should be able to choose what it is classified as.
He did in his multiple interviews and articles in UK newspapers when he described it as a TV series. As you keep on ignoring this, I'll repeat that: Cousins himself repeatedly described it as a TV series. Suddenly claiming it's a movie is about as credible as Henry Ford insisting everyone refer to the Model T as a motorcycle after it had been on the market for a year.
you saying I have a bias is absolute BS. Your hate for the filmmaker is a huge bias
Sorry, you're just giving yourself away here by projecting yet again. Your only response to facts is to shout bias. Weak.
you're claiming it should be a TV show, because that is less respected then it being a film
Straw man: I've said nothing about any difference in 'respect' for the medium - that's simply your own snobbery showing. I'm not 'claiming' that it 'should' be anything - it IS a TV series, as Cousins repeatedly said himself when promoting it and as its own distributor clearly states.
you have a hugely distorted view out of some personal dislike for this guy.
You're the one who keeps on distorting and coming up with straw men, presumably based on your love of the guy. When's the wedding?
And can you enlighten me on some better film magazines? I'm pretty sure the world doesn't sit up and take notice when any other magazine does a greatest film list.
The only time anybody even notices S&S is still publishing is when they churn out that list every decade. They're even less relevant than Cahiers d Cinema these days.
I mean real film, not Hollywood.
There's that snobbery again. You really love being patronising while projecting your own behavior onto others - so now you hate both TV and American cinema? how very mature and sophisticated of you. How intelligent and grown up you look.
And it's still what it always was, and what Cousins himself described it as - a TV series. Pretending otherwise while throwing out straw men doesn't make it any less of a TV series, no matter how many tantrums you throw.
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