I didn't get what revelation Jane got at the cemetery and why she looked around to the old lady. The dates seemed off a bit Frank proposed at the zoo in the sixties, her daughter was born in 1951, Janes mother was in Florida so the old lady could not be her granddaughter, Im missing something.
shareI am confused by that as well..and was the old lady implying that they were not taking the trip?
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Go down a few threads to "The ending (Spoiler alert)" where several people give their interpretations. I don't have any additional interpretations to offer.
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I think that Sadie sent her to the tombstone for her to see that she had a daughter who was close to her age and that she really had nobody else in her life. Jane knew that Sadie knew that the Thermos was the only thing that Jane bought from her so after Melissa came over and told her about the money, sending Jane to the tombstones wss Sadie's way of letting her know that "Hey, you know I'm broke, I could have used that money to fix the walkway up to my house" Etc. Sadie probably knew that Frank stashed cash from his gambling days away in the strangest of places. You always hear of people finding stuff like that when they buy a house.When I was doing CableTV,I did an attic wallfish for these rich white people who just bought this house, and up in the attic was over 2 Grand in old cash in a shoebox under the insulation. If my customers were decent enough to even let me have a glass of cold water instead of making me drink out of the yard hose, I would have considered telling them about it, but after they were douchebags, I had no trouble at all keeping that cash. Besides they had all kinds of money, bragged about how many houses they bought after the Hurricane and I was broke as a joke. Plus, you can't miss what you never had anyways right? If it was a lady like Sadie, I would have gotten that walkway fixed for her in a minute.
shareThe difference is that if you buy something everything in it is yours, including cash. Taking something from someone elses property, something that they may likely have put there themselves, is called stealing, even if you are (boo hoo) broke.
"Yeah, I found some money in a guys wallet in his bedside table. If he would have been nice to me, I would have told him about it".
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Watch out. It's the morality police.
shareI bet you never knew how it was to not have things. He took 2 grand from rich, healthy, young people who have millions of it. Good for him for feeding his kids.
shareI'm still not clear on the ending, but I think you've widely missed the mark in a few respects.
It would not have been a big revelation to Jane that Sadie had nobody else in her life. After awhile, it would have been pretty obvious to Jane that that was the case. Sadie really never mentions anyone but Frank and never talks about any other relatives or friends. It was a surprise to Jane to find that Sadie had had a daughter, but what's the relevance? I don't get what Sadie not mentioning it is supposed to mean to Jane.
How was sending Jane to the gravestones supposed to let Jane know Sadie was broke (although she wasn't)?? "Hey, I had a daughter I didn't mention. So now you know that I'm broke and I know you kept my money." What sense does that make?
Jane actually bought several items from Sadie at the yard sale, although the thermos might have been the only one capable of holding money, but it's still irrelevant. Sadie did nothing I could see that would let on that she knew Jane had money of hers. Sadie wasn't broke. In fact, she bragged that Frank was a good gambler and that she had more money than she could spend in a lifetime. The neglect of her house wasn't an issue of money.
I liked this movie right up until the end, which was abrupt and unsatisfying. The final graveyard scene contributed nothing that I can tell, other than showing Jane that Sadie had had a life at one time. Maybe that was the message to Jane? Perhaps her message was to leave her alone. She lived a full life already. Maybe Sadie was saying that she didn't need another daughter. Maybe Sadie hated her daughter, since she never mentioned her to Jane (and were there no flowers on the daughter's grave?) Other than Sadie's moment of hesitation after packing, I saw nothing to indicate whether she cared in the least about the money.
I believe that the thermos was Sadie's daughters and when Jane's roommate told her that Jane had "somehow" gotten her money, she realized her daughter hid her money in there. The tombstone scene was Sadie's way of telling Jane that she loved her as her own daughter.
shareher husband died 2 years after their daughter died. It opens the film up for what she had been living through and a possible suicide.
shareWhat?
Sadie said she had more money than she could ever spend, so was she lying? Was she really broke?
And I'm not sure whether to believe your story of finding 2 grand under the insulation of some "rich white folk". How would you know they weren't stashing their own money there?
And yeah - I don't believe they told the cable guy to drink from the water hose either. Nobody tells people that. It would be bad form for you to beg for a glass of water, but I usually offer people who come to my house whatever they want that's on hand. Beer, a soda, water, coffee - whatever they want they can have. They almost always turn down the offer though.
Whether or not that 2 grand you found was put there by the current owners or was forgotten cash left there by the previous ones you are a thief.
You also sound racist.
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I agree with this take...especially since Sadie had previously said she had no children, this seemed like an invitation to Jane to become closer.
I thought that maybe Sadie didn't mention her daughter because she (the daughter) died in 1969 at age 18...I guess I'm a pessimist, but I picture that girl dying of an overdose or in a riot or some other unpleasant 60s incident that Sadie wouldn't want to discuss with any other than a real friend.
"...if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes!" Roy Batty
So it's your belief that she lied about her financial health during the Bingo scene?
My interpretation of the sad state of her house had nothing to do with money. You noticed she somehow had the financial means to pay people to come out and trim the trees, when the insurance company forced her to. The sad state of the house was a reflection of her giving up on life and allowing everything around her to deteriorate over time. It's my interpretation that she'd not been in any kind of meaningful relationship, friend or otherwise, in over 30 years; that she was pretty broken up by the loss of her daughter, which was followed closely by the loss of her husband just 2 years later. It's possible his death may have even been linked to the loss of their daughter.
Sadie was far from broke , she even said she has more money than she can spend in her lifetime
shareyeah but I hated the ending. I hated it so much. I really, really hate when movies have endings that don't answer questions, don't make sense, and aren't good in an artistic way, or meaningful.
the dumbest thing about this movie is why would a girl who stole cast from an old woman just give it back to her if she ended up feeling bad for stealing it from her? why would she instead of giving it back or part of it back become her friend?
and then the part that really didn't make sense is after the old woman got upset after taking care of the girl's dog(which they also never explained, because what made the woman so upset she didnt' want to be friends with the girl anymore?)and she didn't want to be friends with the girl anymore the girl was desperate to remain friends with her and even bought a plane ticket for the old woman and did everything she could to get her to go with her. uh what? and she didn't feel bad about taking her money or spending it because if she did either one of those things then why didn't she show it at all? no once did she have a look of guilt over taking the woman's money. all of these things made me so irritated while watching this movie.
Good grief. I am truly shocked by the amount of confusion from this simple, straightforward story of an unlikely friendship. Personally, I neither needed nor wanted every single motive spelled out for me. It would have ruined the realism by overloading the dialogue with exposition. The characters actions don't always make sense, just like real people's actions in the real world. Jane found herself struggling with what to do. She may have not even understood some of her own actions while performing them. But honestly, most of the things you seem to be confused by seemed completely clear to me. After "Star-sitting," Sadie pulled the classic move of playing mean to get a loved one to leave you alone (see Harry and the Hendersons for another example). She didn't feel she was capable of maintaining a new friendship, and she felt embarrassed for having let the dog loose, hence her not explaining what happened to Jane. Then, Jane tried to get Sadie to come with her to Paris out of compassion and genuine affection for the woman. Guilt would most likely not have caused such a display. That was kind of the point of her character's narrative arch. She was guilty earlier on...it's right there in the conversation with Melissa when she asks what she would do if she found the money, and in Jane's first efforts to befriend Sadie. Along the way, however, Jane developed genuine affection for Sadie.
As for the ending, it's pretty straightforward. Sadie was hurt by Melissa's information, but then when she thought about it, she felt like she had made a real connection, despite what Melissa said. To test this, she wanted to show Jane something more personal about herself, i.e. her daughter's grave. This came as a surprise to Jane because, 1) Sadie had never mentioned what would have been a major event in her life (mothers aren't supposed to outlive daughters), and 2) because this puts into perspective Sadie's reluctance to invest herself in a friend who most likely reminded her of her own daughter. It's that simple. So why is everyone trying to make it more complicated?
The Zoo closed in the 60's but that is not when he proposed to her... it could have been any time before that.
shareI think this film copied a little bit of the premise of "Welcome to the Rileys" (and a far more superior film than this, too). It just was played backwards. Instead it's the prostitute "helping out" the older richer person, with the older richer person having their own ulterior motives for accepting/giving the help- that being they lost a daughter of the same age and now see numerous resemblances with their young stripper/prostitute friend.
Just sayin'...
Sadie definitely mentions her husband leaving her plenty of money, from his gambling winnings, so that's not it. She never mentions anyone else from her life, except for her late husband. I believe Sadie didn't intentionally bring Jane to the grave site to show her daughter's grave; I think the significance is that Sadie had taken such a liking to Jane, it was almost like having a daughter again, and once Jane saw the daughter's grave, she realized that. Keep in mind, Jane's roommate "tattled" on Jane, and Sadie seemingly did not care; they still went to Paris, after all. I can't recall the year of death on the daughter's grave, but it's also possible that she died at a very young age, and Jane couldn't have been older than 21-23, so that could apply as well.
shareHer husband didnt propse in the 60's the zoo CLOSED un the 60's.
Earlier she asked her if she had kuds and she said "no."
The tombstone clearly showed her husband was also a "loving father" and next to him was their buried daughter... geeze try actually paying attention when watching...
i think we get all that, but we want to know why. Was Sadie upset at her? Did she feel comfortable with her? did they still go to paris? That is what we dont understand
shareI thought it was pretty obvious...
Sadie wasn't upset, sending Jane to the grave was her way of saying she is the only thing in her life that means something. She didn't care that Jane didn't tell her about the money.
After Jane saw the graves she realised the severity of their relationship, then they almost definitely went to Paris.
What about the forests?...... NOPE!
The old lady did not care about the money Jane stole because she was spending most off it on her anyhow. And she did something for her that she was never able to do herself: she bought tickets to Paris. Her biggest dream.
In the scene where she his standing over her suitcase, unable to decide wheter or not to unpack for the trip she is thinking what i Wrote above: Jane was her friends, she helped her with her driving her around and being there for her.
In the last scene the old lady decides to show Jane she had a child once in the prosess of Opening up, Getting to know each other and also: making sure Jane wouldn't leave her.
Sary for the bad english, it is four o'clock in the morning in Norway and I am super sleepy.
i 100% agree. i just watched it and was confused at first, but thinking for 15 min or so about the ending....
sadie was going to unpack, but then realized...who cares about the dishonesty/money, jane has been a great friend (surrogate daughter...although we dont know that until the last scene) and gave the end of her life meaning again, instead of just being an old bingo playing lady that wont let anyone get close (after losing her 18 yr old daughter & husband), jane got her out of the house and bought her tix on her dream trip to paris.
you really get sadie not wanting to be close/lose anyone again by the scene where she thought she lost the dog and thought she couldn't handle loss again.
sending jane to the grave was sadie's way of letting her in 100%
but all that still doesn't explain why jane wanted to be her friend so much? and also why she went out of her way to buy her tickets to Paris and would not give up in trying to get her to go with her to Paris. and also why did Jane still want to be friends with the old woman after the old woman said she couldn't be friends anymore with her after she almost lost her dog?
shareat first she probably just felt guilty for taking her money, then most likely realized she was attached to the old lady and wanted to keep her company
shareif the old lady really wanted to go to Paris then why did she at first say a resounding no to Jane? I mean Jane had to really talk her into it and even after that she had to try to win at Bingo in order to get the old lady to go with her.
shareYes, what the above poster said is correct. We see that Frank (Sadie's husband) lived 1920-1971 and their daughter 1951-1969. That shows a lot (not the least of which is that Frank may have died broken-hearted not long after they lost their daughter). We see that Sadie hasn't been a lonely widow, all alone for a few years or ten years or even twenty years, but for forty long years! That is sad, then to know she had a daughter (which she had earlier denied) who she lost on the brink of adulthood also shows the pain she must feel and how she was apprehensive getting too attached to Jane. Also, she is finally completely "letting Jane in", by first deciding to look past the revelations from Melissa (roommate) and then by opening up and revealing the story of her life at the grave sites. It explains so much about why Sadie is the way she is or has been acting, but also that she has crossed a bridge with Jane and made a choice to trust and live and love and risk hurt again.
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