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String of abusive boyfriends? Really?



Come on! There was no indication or information about this. I guess they have to add that to the story to some how justify the horrendous, mercenary act of drowning the Mother in this story. These girls posted everything (at the time) on the INTERNET of their intentions and even updated while waiting for the drugs to take effect and it was never about that. It was always about money and buying the things they wanted. Plain and simple. The fact that they are making this movie really ticks me off. The moral being? What? That after being caught you can spend four short years in juvi and then get on with your life while your mother no longer can? Sheesh.

For that matter- I always felt that the individuals that were 'in the know' about the plans and responding to the Internet posts should have somehow been held responsible. But I doubt it could have been pressed.


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I'm not too sure how you took the 'abusive boyfriends' comment. It sounds like you think it was the teenage girls who had the abusive boyfriends, but it was the mother who had had the abusive boyfriends, and that is ultimately what was leading their mother to drink...and that was a huge turn off to the girls as they felt that their mother was spending more money on booze etc then what she was giving or providing for them.

I think it totally stinks that they spent such a short time incarcerated for doing the crime of killing their own mother! Not just that but from what I heard one of the daughters was off to University to study law of all things!! If you ask me it pretty much takes a sociopath to murder their own mother, and it wouldn't surprise me if these girls went on to commit further horrific crimes later in life. I do NOT agree with the young offenders act and protecting the identity of these girls in particular!! All I can say I really hope that the good ole saying 'what goes round comes round' applies to them both!!

There must be hundreds of people who know the true identity of these girls, and to be honest I am surprised that their identity has not been leaked by some anonymous people who did know them!! I couldn't find a single thing on their identity on the net...gotta say that surprised me a bit!!

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I knew the woman, but never met her daughters. I cringed when, in an inter view, the actress describes her as "dispicable" because she was certainly not. She was constantly working, day and night, to pay for riding lessons and trips to Poland and clothes for the girls etc, etc. We'll never hear her side of the story.

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To "ccmerlot"...I am so sorry that you lost a friend, and in such a horrible and tragic way. I just wanted to clarify to you that my previous post was a response directly to the movie itself, and not in anyway was it to imply the "true events"...as you yourself stated "We'll never hear her side of the story.". I would never ever presume that what I see in a movie based on "actual facts" to actually reveal the full and 'true' facts as I don't think anyone could ever know them, except maybe the victims themselves.

I, like many other countless others were appalled, disgusted and enraged to learn of the behaviour of both of the daughters following what they did, and of course to ultimately learn of the release both daughters received and are now able to happily continue on with their lives and in anonymity nonetheless! I often wonder if either has ever truly felt regret for what they did?! I honestly believe that their mother must have done whatever she could to provide for her two daughters with whatever it was they desired. Unfortunately like many other teens they felt an entitlement to those things, and ultimately became nothing short of truly selfish!

I only hope that their mother is resting in peace...

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I too cannot believe this, until I watched the whole movie and saw the end. I can't believe how much this is fictional. I could never hurt anyone, an animal, or not even my own family, as these people did. This poor woman (portrayed by Mira Sorvino, amazing) was emotionally, physically abused, sad, alcoholic, and towards the end she was trying to go for job interviews. Just to get it together. These girls didn't give her a chance. Sometimes if people can be shown a lot of love, and a chance, they can start again...

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They gave her plenty of chances... She choose to waste money and be an alcoholic instead of her caring for her kids. Smart thing to do would be to runaway, but that's a tough life and they wanted money, they did what was best for them...

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They still committed a crime......this is a person's life We are talking about!

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The mother had two job and spoiled the sisters and there was no abusive boyfriend


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After watching the film, I am curious how different the book is. The film tried to make it sound sympathetic to the girls but I think the film was made to be seen in their eyes not the public or anyone else. I liked the film, I thought it was well acted. The way they acted and how their friends helped them seems to be the current trend on how things are progressing in this world of late. Though Canada is lenient on murder. Look up Paul Bernardo and how is wife got away with murder.

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I am curious, because of their ages at the time of the crime, aren't their true identities and the mother's real name protected forever under Canadian law?


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you're insane or a liar, this is based on a CANADiAN case, the woman was a drunk and a bad mom. no fancy crap like trips to Poland, where do people come up with this crap? and by the way actually lived in Canada at the time, am Canadian and know the real case

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How is "I'm Canadian, so I know better" any more valid than "I knew her, so I know better"? You being Canadian has nothing to do with whether or not this person knew her.

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They said it was a Canadian case, and since that person is Canadian, they said they knew the story. I don't know if it's a Canadian case or not, but it does say that it's a Canadian movie.

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It was a Canadian case, when the credits rolled it stated the whole, names not revealed due to the "Young Offenders Act"(which is a Canadian act). If they were in the US they would have been tried as adults and done serious time especially because the two refused to take a plea and took the case to trial.

The only thing that I felt was proper about their punishment was the fact that the judge was smart enough to order that the two are to have absolutely no contact for the ten year duration, it seemed like they acted as a double edge blade together.

It's sickening the way this film portrayed them as victims and not the murdering psychopaths that they are.

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The trailer portrayed them as psychos. But then the move played it down. =(
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The only thing that I felt was proper about their punishment was the fact that the judge was smart enough to order that the two are to have absolutely no contact for the ten year duration,

Yes, but the problem is the only spent less than half of their sentence. Canadian law must be a joke.


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Yea, it's a total joke. I read an article that stated that the girl that actually held her mother's head under the water was attending a University while residing at a halfway house after doing four years, the REAL kick in the ass is that she was awarded a scholarship to pay for her education there!

What could possibly have been the criteria to obtain that scholarship?!? Is there some sort of affirmative action policy now to have a certain % of convicted murderers attending Canadian Universities? @Canada

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she was awarded a scholarship to pay for her education there!


That's just sick. So if you want a free education move to Canada, kill someone and you'll get a scholarship.

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"What could possibly have been the criteria to obtain that scholarship?!?"

Having a vagina and living in a halfway house, of course. There's no shortage of well-meaning charities providing scholarships to that demographic.

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Is there some sort of affirmative action policy now to have a certain % of convicted murderers attending Canadian Universities?

Yes, very possible. Maybe they want them to be rehabilitated per say?

In America companies get an financial incentives to hire ex cons. Not sure what the convicts get. Probably health benefits or something. i know if you are pregnant out of wedlock you get medicaid but if you are married and end up in the emergency room you have to pay the $8,000.00 out of pocket. Really quite unfair.

I was working a school year job as a substitute aide. Not even full time and they said I made too much money for any aid whatsoever. If I made too much money I am scared for the rest of the world.

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She had good grades so she got a scholarship.

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The no contact was for the period of sentence and parole which if Canadian law is the same as US on the matter would be the full original sentence or 10 years. So depending on how quickly the case came to trial they would be getting together right about now.

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JD, I'm about to interview the director. I'll ask him if you want?

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@Thrill_KillZ.

It's sickening the way this film portrayed them as victims and not the murdering psychopaths that they are.
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If you know the real case then you will know that the mother, when she was murdered, was holding down two jobs to take care of herself and her children. In the film they make her seem useless. Also the sisters were totally mercenary and thought they would get a lot of money from their mothers death.


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I just interviewed the director and he told me different.

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"2 sisters get maximum youth penalty in mother's drowning"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/2-sisters-get-maximum-youth-pena lty-in-mother-s-drowning-1.601264

"Canada: Teenage sisters murdered their mother"
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/canada-teenage-sisters-murdered-their -mother-235261.html

These are the only two articles about the original case that I could find on a cursory search. Pretty gruesome.

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One of those articles say the mother was an alcoholic. In any case, what I find weird is getting to psychopaths in a single household. Normally you get just one. It's awful bad luck to get two sociopaths together...

I really wish I could know more about this case. There seems to be much more to it than you can grasp on the news.

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I found this on wiki not sure if it 100% accurate but here is more info as well http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Linda_Andersen

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Please understand the difference between "based on a true story" and "documentary".

If you are right about the events (I did not know anything about this story before seeing the trailers and do not care enough to research it), you are right about your view of the girls.

However, in telling the story in a different way the movie asks a different moral question. One that I find quite interesting and a lot more interesting than the story you describe. What I see here is basically a "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" storyline.

Imagine you were in a situation where your parents are abusive or abusive people enter your life because of your parents and you see no other way out then to kill them. Imagine it.
You start to contemplate it, maybe not because you really want to do it but because thinking about it restores your selfrespect (Because you are not passive anymore, even if the activity is all in your head).
Then people find out and you are suddenly a celebrity in your environment. At what point does it stop being about the initial intention and start to be because you want that celebrity status? At what point does it stop to be about protecting yourself and your siblings and start to be about protecting your reputation (because you do not want to be the person who talked big and did nothing)?
And ultimately, the question if intentions matter...both ways. Is it bad to kill even if you do it out of good intentions? And if it is right to kill a person who deserves it, does it matter if the intentions are not good?

That's a story I find far more interesting than what actually happened. Because in the end all the best stories are about ourselves, not about others. All the best stories have that element to them where the story just uses the characters to ask the most fundamental question of the audience: Who are you? What kind of person are you?

And the story of two teenage girls who killed their mom because they wanted more money to spend on bling doesn't ask me that.

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There was only one boyfriend shown in the movie, but the girls kept telling how their mothers previous boyfriends tried to rape them. I think it was odd for girls to face the situation, but killing their mother cannot be justified. The movie is really good and the girls have acted brilliantly. Surprised me.

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I didn't know about the case. I had expected them to want to kill Steve instead.





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Considering the "string of abusive boyfriends" and the film's line about Linda being "prone to dating *beep* Steve's death wouldn't changed a thing, as another moron was most likely to occupy his place.

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Best comment I've read about this movie so far. Indeed, a lot of people seem to ignore that "I'm taking this as the basis for my story" and "I'm making a documentary about this", while related, are actually completely different things. Or they know, but are bent on ignoring said fact just for the sake of their arguments.

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I take the movie from the point of view of the girls. I take it with a grain of Salt. It seems to me they did it out of greed. But maybe I'm wrong.

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It is possible to hold down 2 jobs and be an alcoholic and have multiple boyfriends. I just think kids (especailly 2) would not be driven to kill a parent based on possible money alone. How much money could they possible recieve if the woman was working 2 jobs? Did they understand life insurance that well at their age?

Coming from a single mother household it is very depressing. My mom was amazing and supported us on 1 job. However, she was extremely depressed after my father left. It was really hard to be happy. My mother never brought men into our house for fear of them doing creepy things.

If this mother was so wonderful, as you claim, why did she bring another child into their already struggling household only to have the girls have to watch him while she went to work??

I don't think the mother deserved to die but I also don't think she was as innocent as you are making her out to be. The only thing children should be responsible for is going to school and doing their homework until they are 18. Not babysitting, cooking their own meals, taking care of the household etc. If they are going to succeed and have a successful, adult life they need to be children for the short 12 years they are in school.

Most kids do have that unless some poor, trashy, idiot decides to bring a child into the world only to complain she is a single mother. Then we people who work in education have to deal with their children's personality issues and anger etc. It's very sad. Most of these kids mention boyfriends living in their homes. It is very rare for a single mother not to have a guy around at least to help out.

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I'm not sure who you are replying to. I never said the Mother was perfect. She obviously had issues. She didn't deserve to be murdered tho. The Mom isn't around to give her side of the story. Again we are watching the movie from the girls POV. I'm not sure if there is any evidence they were raped or abused by a string of scumbag Boyfriends IRL.

The fact they acted gleefully in planning and giving updates on their Mom dying online is pretty sick to me. It's hard to see them as victims. "How much money could they possibly recieve if the woman was working 2 jobs? Did they understand life insurance that well at their age?" They are Teens. I'm assuming they were impulsive and didn't really think things through. They may have thought "Let's get rid of Mom and get some $." People have been killed for less.


I was lucky enough to grow up in a two parent Household. No Drug or Alcohol issues. I grew up with severe Physical disabilities and Learning Disabilities in Math and Science. I had to work harder in High School and College getting Tutors and other help.

"If they are going to succeed and have a successful, adult life they need to be children for the short 12 years they are in school. Not babysitting, cooking their own meals, taking care of the household etc." This is debatable. I came from a Household with a strong work ethic. I still had a fun childhood despite that.

"Most kids do have that unless some poor, trashy, idiot decides to bring a child into the world" That's a bit harsh.

I was cooking my own Meals at age 12. Granted it was Mac 'n Cheese or Frozen Chicken Nuggets or Soup etc. As a kid if I made a mess I was expected to clean it up. I did Yard work and helped with light House repairs and Painting or Staining the Deck from age 12 and up. I was expected to clean my Bathroom and help Dust and Vacuum the House in my Teens. I got my own Car at age 20 and paid my own Car payments. I worked Summers from age 15-23 up until I graduated College. I'm not perfect but I think many kids today (12 and up) have it way too easy and have many things handed to them.


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This woman brought these girls up. Unless you think magic pixies or Satan came and warped their minds somehow, they are what SHE made them. Children love their parents unconditionally - even parents who are absolutely obnoxious and sadistic to them. In fact, children will put up with endless abuse and STILL go on loving their parents. Exactly how much of this do you think these girls had to put up with before they turned? If they allegedly killed her for money, then you can bet that neglect played a very large part in her treatment of them. I imagine, if she was an alcoholic, they went without food many, many times while she drank it all away and took care of herself. And she did this over and over and OVER again. Time without number.

I find it completely unfathomable that people still believe in this day and age that children are somehow capable of turning on their parents without any provocation. Who do you think turns them - Youtube and social media sites?

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Rich kids kill their parents for the same reason. Money. But I digress. This was not a documentary it was a like a Law & Order episode. You know the case they are alluding to but some of the particulars are different.

I am not Canadian but I thought they had some very different laws about how the public does not hear cases. They have some type of black out rules. I heard this when they were prosecuting that couple who raped and killed young girls including the females sister. Only after do they hear what happened.

In any case I am sure one of the sisters was the dominate one and the other just followed. But mental illness runs in families at times.

About how this women brought up their kids. Listens parents can try their best and their kids do what they want.

I know of several families where you have some siblings that are are ok but one is in jail or something. I knew a family whose father would come home at night and beat the mother. A dysfunctional family at best. The parents married when she was 13 and he was 20. The father had a good job and they had 8 kids. Every single one of those kids with the exception of 2, something went wrong Alcoholism, drug dealers and addicts. My friend was gay and the father hated him(being a drug trafficker was ok though) and he had issues. When the father died the mother who was isolated by her husband loved him to the end and took care of him when he had Alzheimer. But months later she was like she never lived that life I would not blame her like I would not blame those two daughters, Leave if you don't like your mother, don't kill her. Call family services.
The fact they talked about it tells me they are crazy more then anything else. No remorse. Even cold blooded killers have remorse.

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Well, Marbleann, if the children are mentally ill then that in itself tells you how they were brought up. People don't get mentally ill from good parenting. And I'm afraid that because some siblings turn out alright and others don't doesn't mean that the parents are not horrible. All it means is the parents are horrible to one or two of the children, not all of them. You don't see families behind closed doors. It is a well-recognised fact that there is a pecking order in families simply by birth order. There is also the matter of gender, with some parents liking girls and hating boys, or vice versa. Then there is the 'black sheep' child, another recognised problem where the whole family uses one child as their butting post. I'm sure if you try really hard you can think of at least one family where one member is singled out for more savage/unfair/critical treatment than the rest - even if it's just your own family.

Parents are not always fair, and people are not always the same as they are with you when they are behind closed doors with their families. And sometimes leaving parents doesn't seem to be an option. Or actually physically isn't, if you have nothing to support yourself with. More importantly, sometimes it isn't enough for people. Sometimes they WANT to kill a family member because their hatred has got so out of control they are no longer sane. That doesn't make them evil; it simply proves that they were pushed well beyond human limits in ways you can't appreciate because you haven't lived their life.

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People don't get mentally ill from good parenting.

But people can become mentally ill despite good parenting.
And I'm afraid that because some siblings turn out alright and others don't doesn't mean that the parents are not horrible.

By extension of my previous statement, it also doesn't mean that they are horrible. It can't even be proven that their horribleness is directly related to their siblings' maladjustment without thorough study.

You may be right about the girls' motivations - if that's what I think you're implying. But then again, brain scans might reveal that they were lacking the proper neural hardware to begin with, and any honest but equally less-than-ideal upbringing would not have been able to change the outcome.

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Well, Netgrazer, I'm not sure that people could become mentally ill with good parenting - unless we are just going to define good parenting as the provision of sandwiches. Yes, people could become mentally ill IF, and it's a big if, they have a genetic predisposition to do so, but then we are really talking about someone mentally handicapped, not someone 'normal'. I would stick my neck out and say that if someone does not actually have something wrong in their head that would show up on an MRI scan then they are not going to go doollally and kill their mother. To have two such aberrations in the family would be so unlikely as to be well-nigh impossible. Also, I would imagine someone like that would be showing signs LONG beforehand. It wouldn't be an overnight thing. And certainly not calculated, for money of all things. So no, in this instance, these girls wouldn't go mad from good parenting.

I would also disagree with the idea that decent parents turn out the odd horrible child. Not so. No child grows up horrible without some serious provocation - even if that provocation is 'just' neglect. I don't think "thorough study" is really necessary when any average prison will show you the results of parents who insult/beat/abuse their child. This is a situation of being able to assert birds fly because you can see it in the sky every day - no study necessary.

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Oh bully for you! You know of dysfunctional families where no member resorted to killing another member! Kudos!

Take the movie for what it is. I don't know why people are getting so caught up in the "true story." So what if it was based off of a real case?! In this MOVIE, it's obvious a degenerate, awful bxtch of a mother has put both her daughters through hell and couldn't have cared less. I mean did you watch the movie? She knew what her boyfriends had been doing in terms of the girls, but like the scum that she and so many other REAL degenerate parents are, she looked the other way.

If you payed attention to the movie, you would remember that they DID in fact call child services and because they didn't have any proof that something wrong was going on, they couldn't be helped. You nor I know what it's like to be pushed up against the wall like that, but come on! Its not hard to be rational and see it for what it is. Its so easy for a jack^ss to say, "Oh they should've don't this, so simple." It's not. Also, how EXACTLY does a teenager just up leave their living situation with no means and no where to go? The aunt clearly couldn't provide for them until drastic measures were taken. So tell us, how were they to just "leave?"

You people are talking about the daughters as if they were psychopaths. The mother would have rather let her children be abused than to keep a damn job. That's more disgusting than a teenager thinking murder is the only way out of the hell whole they're living in.

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Teens have been known to run away from home to a relative's house and just get the hell out of Dodge. Happens all the time.

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The sisters where never abused and the mother had two job and pay for riding lesson and trip to Poland for the two girls and the sister kill their mother for money to buy Marijuana farm


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I'm going to separate this movie and the real story and judge their stories differently.
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The book clears a lot of this up. The girls did go to Poland every summer to visit family. The mom was a drunk, that doesn't mean she didn't work hard. She still got fired for drinking. You can get the book in the Kindle store. There's a lot more to it.

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