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"Killer be killed Tiger"

posted 9 years ago by nishivijay
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Donaka says "killer be killed tiger" before trying to force him to fight to the death.

It reminds me of a black moon (rap group) line "Killing every n**** insight". Insight. Like you could kill a person by just thinking it. But Black Moon knows that. Tiger doesn't which makes him dangerous, no control.

Tiger couldn't admit that and that made him dangerous. He was a killer with no control for that reason. But he's not as bad as real people who are killers that way because he wasn't afraid of murdering a dude. He just had to really really know and have a good reason.

So if Donaka didn't interfere and try to bring this enlightenment to tiger because he had no control from a lack of seated meditation or something like that... who's to say tiger wouldn't meet some guy that he thought was a bad guy and try to fix the problem by killing him that way, getting through his aggression in a healthy manner?

Well you can't say that but he had no control so he did it to himself. he thought that power was control but if that's the case power can also be letting go of control, it's saying the same thing from a different polarity. So since he had no control, he ends up being super accepting of these situations, the nature of his power...

But you know, donaka isn't as bad as some of these guys with security companies trying to pressure people into doing stuff either because at least he's consistent so it ends up you can't really say he's the problem even though you want to... the real guys like that they're all over the place a lot of times so they really are a problem, no way around it.

this is a movie so they're doing extraordinary things but on a moral or spiritual level these guys are better than us... just like music usually is... they don't want to promote crap.

by the way i know he was beating up dudes at tournaments with too much angst and that's wrong but that doesn't necessarily make him a mental killer. he was on the cusp of being the bad guy that we know but you can't say that from the movie...

Edit: Donaka's a big seated meditation guy and I like Tiger prefer standing still to sitting down and meditation.... you don't have to do anything fancy... try standing still like in the army in that posture vs sitting and see how easy it is to concentrate. it becomes like you would have to be super man already to create the benefit from seated meditation vs anyone would learn to concentrate from standing meditation... I have my own standing meditation routine and it doesn't make me violent or not violent, I just stay neutral but my concentration goes way up. There is a book available used on amazon.com 'Still as a mountain Powerful as thunder'. It's supposed to be done for 30 minutes but practically i know i can't do it every day (and this stuff works way better every day) for that long so i do the warm up exercises for ten reps and the isometric exercises for two minutes each... there is a seated meditation posture and two standing meditation postures... at the end of the seated meditation i tap the back of my head 9 times.... that's the money meditation for staying balanced, it kind of balances the brain which controls aggression... standing meditation made me powerful but the masters (*in this movie* i'm not talking about real people) are right the seated meditation is the thing that actually improves the personality. now granted i don't know if i would calm down if i just sat there all day like donaka without tapping the back of my skull and i would be psycho not just neutral but more if i standing meditated like tiger (but i'm not tough enough for that one anyway) but there's something to that concept in this movie too... i mentioned another routine in a post below for cosmos palm that i would stop because it would make me aggressive (not just neutral but more) too... this book really improves the personality and the set has the effect (not a particular exercise it's a great routine) but the seated meditation is the one that creates the calm personality... it's a good routine because it's easy to do, easier than the stuff you're going to learn in a class, and it creates a nice personality but it's effective. sometimes this peaceful looking stuff isn't peaceful.

this movie feels authentic because it takes place in hong kong but it's american enough that the cultural things don't take away as much potential understanding... its more like are you into this stuff or not...

[–] fillshertease 9 years ago

He says, "Kill or be killed, Tiger", not "killer be killed". Furthermore the Black Moon line is "killing every n***** in sight". In sight - meaning in view - not insight, meaning understanding...

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[–] nishivijay 9 years ago

i really don't know how to respond to this but it clearly means both.

i'm not getting into the line which is equally obvious but you got to remember donoka has everyone under surveillance so he knows who the real killers are. that is pivitol to my understanding. i think you're getting confused because these things clearly work both ways but when that's the case which meaning is deeper or more foundational? when you think that way my point is clear.

if people thought real simple to be honest they couldn't even make a good piece of entertainment. if you don't want to bomb you have to care, it's really the only way to be consistent in these matters.

Tiger's the next level though. He's the guy that shows the limitation of surveillance equipment. He needs to really think of the effect of what's going on and is the guy kills without killing? he needs to actually do it or else he'll never know how much he's really affecting things towards murder.

this is the thing about a typical keanu reeves movie. how are you going to watch a movie with a guy in a death adder mask forcing people into pit fights snapping their necks and be seen as a sensitive soul, the type of guy that would watch gay cowboy art films when they're not even cowboys anymore. maybe flourists without a gun under the counter just in case. if you make the guy actually sensitive it's seen for what it is.

but now that you got me talking about working out, there's very few of these kung fu movies i even understand to be honest, but it's maddening that guys won't try say five minutes. if you quit all is lost and twenty minutes is probably better for you but just to admit that if you cut you back to five minutes and then sat for fifteen, even went that extreme, but just the one change from twenty to five, some abilities will go up too. i'm not saying the trade off is good but they don't have the sensititivity to admit that to themselves. and tiger needs to learn how to be a more sensitive man, that is the issue that everyone is having with him.

BTW if he doesn't take a life he would have to do the seated meditation exercise, it kind of balances out what tiger does in the mornings that's making him surly. you'd have to know about this stuff but it's pretty well known about that exercise, some guys get aggressive. and you're doing all that stuff maybe he would rather take a life than do more or cut back and make it more balanced for the time. Donaka thinking about that too just makes him more sensitive either way. it's just without that inner sensitivity tiger won't be able to gauge himself.