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How the spectator's brain receives the message through film or digital..


I just viewed Side by Side on TV replay -- have wanted to see it since it came out four years ago... How quickly things change, and now film is regaining territory. What always interests me in these kinds of discussions is that no one, but no one, ever mentions the effect that a digital image projected on a big screen, or not so big screen, has on the spectator, as opposed to the effect that a film image has. In truth, the "medium is the message," and the human brain does not read digital in the same way that it reads film. For which reason, they are forever different media which cannot replace one another. The film image, being continuous and composed of moving silver halides viewed by the reflected light of the projection, tends to draw the spectator into the story -- traditionally in old movie palaces on such enormous screens and grand settings -- and elate him or her, lifting the audience out of their ordinary lives, and carrying it as a collective thing (all breathing together with the rhythm of the film, music, etc.). That was the cinema experience -- "trip" -- that used to be. Digital is, as everyone knows, a mosaic of electronic points of light beamed into the eyes of the spectator, and the brain has to work to interpret what this mosaic may be. The resolution, lighting, color palette, of digital of course have constantly improved, and will no doubt continue to improve, but they still do not quite match the quality of celluloid, and in any case, digital is such a radically different assault on the human eye and brain, that the two media are hardly comparable at all. I hope that film and digital will co-exist forever, spawning undreamed-of more new media in the future, complementing each other to everyone's benefit forever. Meanwhile, since cinema is visual and aural, the same phenomenon plagues the world of recorded music: It is simply not a good thing to chop art into bits and listen to samples of sound, any more than it is a good thing to watch bits of visual art in mosaics... although digital of course offers other qualities of expense, speed, movement, etc. that make shooting so much easier. And finally, as the documentary points out, film remains the archival standard for durability, just as vinyl does for music, durability and quality. Zeros and ones certainly have their place in our developing world, but they cannot replace everything, any more than they can replace painting on canvas, or sculpture in marble, etc.

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Amen.

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Digital is, as everyone knows, a mosaic of electronic points of light beamed into the eyes of the spectator, and the brain has to work to interpret what this mosaic may be.
That would depend upon the resolution and whether the image is being viewed from a light source or a projection, and the resolution is hardly ever low enough to cause additional processing of the mosaic. If anything, there is less detail to process because the information is less "crisp", but that also depends upon imaged formed in the medium. As well, certainly the numbers of rods and cones in the eye are finite.

The resolution, lighting, color palette, of digital of course have constantly improved, and will no doubt continue to improve, but they still do not quite match the quality of celluloid, and in any case, digital is such a radically different assault on the human eye and brain, that the two media are hardly comparable at all.
Where is the evidence to support this claim? Invariably the device that would measure the differences would be a high-resolution variation of the digital camera/antenna/spectrograph/photometer. All we have to go upon is that the number of pixels in a digital store is a few orders of magnitude fewer than the number of silver halide crystals in a film stock frame. In addition, the distinction won't matter if the higher-resolution method doesn't make the most use of material involved, and camera itself along with the lens has a lot to do with that.

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There is a lot of misinformation in this post, I'll just touch on one of them.

" The film image, being continuous and composed of moving silver halides viewed by the reflected light of the projection... Digital is a mosaic of electronic points of light beamed into the eyes of the spectator..."

That is simply false. Film is projected one frame at a time, digital is projected one frame at a time, because the frames arrive in quick sequence, 24 fps or 30 fps, the brain interprets this as a moving image. Digital movies are NOT "electronic points of light beamed into the eyes of the spectator", in both film and digital projection the light is projected onto a screen and the viewer sees reflected light, regardless if it is digital or film.

The only time digital is "electronic points of light beamed into the eyes of the spectator" is when you are viewing a direct image from a display like a computer screen or a TV, and it makes no difference whether the programming originated on film or as a digital file.

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There is a lot of misinformation in this post, I'll just touch on one of them.
Yeah, it's almost like the was OP was suggesting that a digital image cannot be formed from a projector, or that silver halide crystals are any less of a mosaic than a grid of electrically-colored points. I suppose, a perceptual distinction would be that a digital projector can go almost completely dark whereas a film projector would be a little more limited by how much light the film stock can block out. At any rate, that all refers to the end product rather than the negatives or the original format and medium.

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