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So much smoking

posted 10 years ago by HellRaidertr
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I was disgusted. Was it necessary to include all these scenes in the movie? its 2014 ffs. Smoking is obsolete. Smokers are retarded.

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Nice, with my harsh language I have attracted some smokers to the thread. Nice for you guys, defending your dangerous little ecstasy, and claiming I am a narrow minded bigot. Yes, back in those times people smoked. Obviously... Again I am asking, how did the portrayal of heavy smoking contribute to the movie, except for the sake of showing reality. I think this is not a child's movie but considering it has a pg rating of 13(because of smoking and other stuff) teenagers watched and will be watching this. When do teenagers start smoking? They mostly start at high school. When do they start high school? 14-15? The pg rating is pretty much useless in this case.

You don't see the big picture and I can't blame you for it...

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I am smarter than most of you. Cry.

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I picked up smoking. Thanks to you all.

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[–] The_Scarecrow 10 years ago

OMG who the fudge cares about your personal opinion about smoking? If you can't even watch an animated person smoke then that's your own problem you need to deal with. This is a film from a LONG time ago and people smoked alot back then, you do know the smoke doesn't come out of the screen for you to breathe in right?

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[–] HellRaidertr 10 years ago

I share my opinion on smoking with important and useful people such as medicine professionals and scientists. I can watch almost anything on the screen except some such as animal cruelty. Yes this can be classified as a historical movie, but that could have excluded the smoking bits as they do not contribute. You won't believe this but, I can smell the smoke through the screen and it disgusts me.

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[–] DrStupidTroll 10 years ago

You won't believe this but, I can smell the smoke through the screen

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[–] lkroger 10 years ago

OP didn't go far enough. They should also have omitted that business about planes dropping bombs. That part was a real downer. Also the tuberculosis. If they'd left that nasty stuff out, then everything would have been happy, and it could have been a really great movie! Only an unreasonable person could argue with that!

[–] Suzume-san 10 years ago

And the earthquake. And the thought police. And the little boy being bullied. And the sad children waiting for their mother. And the wind blowing things away. And people getting wet in the rain...

Everybody happy now?

[–] HellRaidertr 10 years ago

Well, lung cancer ain't no joke. How many people do you think started smoking because of this movie? Literally hundreds.. Who will be responsible for this?

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[–] The_Scarecrow 10 years ago

How many people do you think started smoking because of this movie?

Literally ZERO.

There is smoking in hundreds of tv shows and films even still now. How would this one film make "hundreds" of people want to start smoking? Your giving this film way too much credit.

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[–] blaircam 10 years ago

Hum...
I would have rather they left out the smoking - but the period it was set in was not ours and smoking was commonplace.
I doubt many people are going to take it up because of this movie - but I also don't think it would have hurt the narrative to leave it out.
I guess for the sake of authenticity they needed to show it - but I didn't think it needed to be so prominent.
So I guess you could say I am a little conflicted on it.
Either way I still found the movie beautiful and quite haunting.

"They who... give up... liberty to obtain... safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[–] CasaK 10 years ago

Are some people seriously making an issue out of someone (an animated character in this case) smoking in a MOVIE?

I can't believe what I'm reading. People can think for themselves. It's not because they see someone smoking on a screen that they automatically start smoking themselves and even if they do, the filmmaker can't be blamed in ANY way.

We can start leaving out practically everything if people are seriously getting offended by stuff like this.

It's called artistic integrity. Miyazaki and other filmmakers can show us whatever they want. People can dislike what they see, but claiming that something should be prohibited from being shown, is pure censorship. It's the first step that leads to the ultimate death of art.

Get real, people.

[–] Druff 9 years ago

How many people do you think started smoking because of this movie?

Very likely none whatsoever.

[–] loepark 10 years ago

Yeah, people used to smoke a lot back then...what's your point. This movie isn't taking place in 2014.

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[–] moukka 10 years ago

You people got me confused. Do you really think that someone who starts smoking because of a film is fit to contribute to the gene pool?

Oh, sorry, this is the Internet after all. Anyone that isn't a troll is simply stupid.

[–] PopSixSquish 9 years ago

^ Lol, exactly!
I'm certain that this was trolling--just like at least half of what gets written on sites such as this.

Smoking was super-common in this time period because people were unaware of its damaging harmfulness. Watch a show like I Love Lucy; everybody did it. My grandfather was a smoker and died much too young because of it...but thankfully that prompted my uncle to quit. And just because I liked candy cigarettes, & sometimes pretend that my pen is a cigarette because certain movie stars and characters do look rather "cool" or glamorous with them, & am curious as to the taste of grape cigars...doesn't mean I'd ever, with my knowledge, be dumb enough to take up smoking.

[–] DanielMann861 10 years ago

I was disgusted. Was it necessary to include all these scenes in the movie? its 2014 ffs. Smoking is obsolete. Smokers are retarded.

You're right, its 2014.

But this movie does not take place in 2014. This movie takes place in the 30's, where smoking like a chimney was common place. Especially Japan, where, even today, Smoking is still quite common.

I hate what this world is becoming. Bunch of whiny, whinging, politically correct enforcers.

[–] MisterKorman 10 years ago

It may be 2014 right now, but this doesn't take place in 2014. Smoking wasn't frowned upon then as much as it is now.

[–] andsoitgoes_42 10 years ago

I can't tell if you're a troll or simply ignorant.

Smoking at the time of this film was common place and excessive. It is a part of the times and not including it would have been as out of place as a mob movie not swearing.

I used to be a smoker, and stopped many years ago. It disgusts me and, even so, I still feel the addiction even when I'm watching a show or movie. Does that mean I think we should cleanse period pieces of things that were common back then?

Picture it this way, would you get up in arms if a movie set in the 20s had people not wearing seat belts? Or a similar era where someone on a motorcycle was helmet less?

Smoking existed. A lot. Still does, it's just more hidden. Pretending like something doesn't exist and creating something from that period without it would be disingenuous.

TL;DR: get over yourself. Of all the things to take issue with, this is a ridiculous choice.

[–] HellRaidertr 10 years ago

I am not a troll nor an ignorant person. I am just a little smarter than you.

Is this a historical anime? No. This is a cartoon and so many fantasy elements were used. So, it never had the aim of being historically accurate from the beginning. Therefore, smoking bits could have been omitted. But Hayao Miyazaki being a heavy smoker, included these scenes as a pro-smoking political material probably as an answer to people like me. Your examples are idiotic, since you are not giving examples from cartoons or anime(for children).

Seriously, I don't think I can change your views since you are a redditer.

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[–] junk_78 10 years ago

There needs to be another war / famine / genocide in your area just so that busy-bodies like you have something real to be concerned with. You have such a safe, boring, middle-aged mom life that you worry yourself with what animated characters are doing in a foreign film. I can't even imagine what else you're thinking about in your day-to-day...?

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[–] Traviud 10 years ago

And yet there was a scene that specifically noted the harm that secondhand smoke can cause to those with lung problems. Nahoko allowed Jiro to continue smoking in their room because she wanted him to be able to work in a manner that made him feel comfortable.

[–] Unicorn_Blade 10 years ago

I am not a smoker and I do not like smoking around me. And yet I think that forcing your views on a film and trying to make everything politically correct is disgusting.

Smoking is neither glorified in the film, nor is it emphasised on. I have not even noticed how much smoking there was until you pointed it out, to show that it was not a major part of the film. I can't imagine how teenagers would start smoking after watching Wind Rises...

Aside from the fact that it happens before and during the war, there is a lot more smoking in Japan than lets say in the US, and it is hard to find non smoking places.

Again I am asking, how did the portrayal of heavy smoking contribute to the movie, except for the sake of showing reality.

That is pretty important- I mean showing the reality. It's what many men did.

In many films, animated or not, you will find content you might not agree on. Laputa features a gang of robbers. Does it mean it entices people to steal, or that Miyazaki likes to steal? Mononoke features quite a lot of bloodshed, and yet its main message is not that we should follow the characters' example and kill each other in the name of our convictions. Grave of the fireflies depicts horrors of war, and yet it does not advertise war. The fact some elements can be found in films for children does not mean that they advocate them.

Also, if you took out all the 'wrong' content from films for children, whether Ghibli, Disney or Pixar, there would be not much left. Kids watch films full of gore and sex there days and are exposed to more inappropriate content in TV ads, having a character smoke in an innocent film should e the least of your troubles.

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