The Ending


So do they die in the dessert and is mitchell just dreaming of them getting out of and everything going so well for the both of them or did all those things at the end really happen? Please explain..

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if you need someone to explain the ending, then this movie isn't for you.

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oh what ever know it all, I just watched the movie and the ending is confusing.

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Well apparently this movie isn't for me either. Because I just watched it and am just as confused as my man...instead of being such a smarty pants, why not explain it to us "laymen"

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I have not seen it yet but can't wait. The screenwriter of Scenic Route is Kyle Killan who was responsible for the tv series" Awake". He is known for writng nonlinear multi-layered complex stories. His signature is to provoke discussion and to have the audience left trying to make sense of --"Is this a dream? Is this all in their heads? What actually happened?"--I love when a script challenges me and I can get into a discussion about what it means or how it applies to my own life but I get that it can be frustrating if you are looking for clear concrete conclusions that wrap it all up...

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I did not know that. That's pretty awesome because I loved that show awake and wish it kept going and didn't get canceled.
Also, now that I'm thinking about it, this movie is perfect for that guy that posted before me and myself simply because we are discussing it! That's the way the screenwriter wanted it! Just as is with the show awake...which reality was real? Were either even real? Were both of the realities dreams? So many questions about that show AWAKE and this movie, I like that

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If you were a fan of the show 'Awake' , check out a film called NEVERLOST. An award winning indie film that came out a year before Awake, and covers a very similar storyline idea. You may like it if you liked Awake, and films like Scenic Route.

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This movie could easily be titled Two Idiots On A Trip.

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And with you it could be named "Three idiots on a trip"

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Yeah, join us for a game of idiot poker.

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I agree with not knowing what absolutely happened at the end, and would like to know

"You're watching too much Sopranos, when you give your kids their allowance in envelopes"

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Dan Fogler is doing a Reddit---"Ask Me Anything" on Oct. 29th at 5 PM
Why don't you ask him what really happened in Scenic Route? .
You can go to his facebook page or @mrdanfogler or Scenic Route's facebook page for details.

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Thanks I will, because the more I read, the more I change my mind as to
what happened

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It's not confusing, it's giving you 2 options. It's up to you. I personally had a really hard time accepting the Hollywood saccharin ending. It was too perfect. I can take the friend moving in with him, but the wife actually likes his writing? lol

I like to think these 2 idiots are still spooning in the grave.

We've met before, haven't we?

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Lame response to the original question. Some folks like clean endings, I enjoy ones that leave one thinking. Doesn't mean the OP is a dolt; we all like different 'stuff.'

I thought it was bloody good.


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It left me thinking: "what a *beep* movie"
I seriously don't get what people like about this film.

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The ending WASN'T confusing, they both DIED!

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@ coreysawyer

Thank god or IMDB has an ignore user option now and thank coreysawyer that he just added himself to that list. Have fun being an online douche all your life.

But about the ending, I personally think that they both died due to the fact that Mitchell still has that broken phone. If he was still alive why would he still be using a smashed phone?

But the real question is when did they die? Did they die near the car spot, in the dug hole? or at the abandoned property? One of the last scenes was them both in the dug hole. So did they actually missioned out to that abandoned property?

I love these movies kind of movies.


My feet smells like *beep* Its because I stepped on dog poop.

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Or were they already dead from the very beginning of the movie?

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More like, you don't understand it so you pretend you do and try to talk down to others. Sad

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Not sure if I'm right but to me it was very clear that they did in in fact die in the desert in the hole, and everything after was a final dream/hallucination, exactly for the reason that one of the characters pointed out in the ending, everything turned out too good too fast. it seems pretty unrealistic for a film that was very real from the beginning.

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For everyone who wants to know what realy happen , this is the real question ^ ;) . As jasonlecter said that part is their "death" becouse after that part ( which they were all tired and could not even talk and move to let that cop know that their are there)they were all fresh and not tired at all and at the end the movie sends us still to that part when they were in the hole . so i think make that sens

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I too believe they meet their demise in that common grave but this movie haunted me. I couldn't stop crying and I realized that beyond the movie's storyline was the meaning it had in my own life. For me it was about a relationship that you wish had taken a different route--that seems destroyed--and you wish you could go back to the moment where it went wrong and replay it to ensure another outcome--or if you fantasize about how it would be if you were given a second chance to reconnect and create a happy ending. I think that is the power of Killen's writing and what makes a great film....

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Wow. But the good news for you is you aren't dead in a desert, you are posting on IMDB, so you can still have the life you want. I think that's kinda the point of the film...we're only trapped by our own lack of willingness to risk change.

I appreciate what you shared here...what a testimony to the power of this film!

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So in your scenario, the part where the tow truck is towing their truck did not happen? It was also a dream, hallucination? I also think that they died in the hole but another part of me thinks they actually missioned out to that abandoned property but there was actually no water and that is where they died.

My feet smells like *beep* Its because I stepped on dog poop.

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It wasn't very real from the beginning. It was infuriating and implausible... I'll explain. Why did the fat idiot think it was harmless to disable his *beep* so that he can pass judgement on his friends life? You don't *beep* with the desert no matter what. After that, why would Mitchell confide in Carter the truth about everything after they'd had such fight hours earlier? Did anyone else here not see what I knew was coming as soon as Mitchell started throwing Carter a bone? Be honest! You'd have to be an idiot to not have seen that they'd end up fighting againa and Carter would turn Mitchell's revelations against him. Also, in reality if you're in that situation, I don't think you'd sleep so well that you'd sleep through vehicles stopping to help. That happened twice! I count 2 times because they acted like such idiots the time they did finally wake up to see the old lady. When Carter was giving Mitchell a mohawk, I was already thinking how that's gonna affect their ability to hitch hike, weren't you? These are the things about a movie like this that most people choose to ignore so they can say the movie was genius or awesome but I expect a little more from my entertainment. It needs to have more plausibility. I apply my life lessons to movies to see how realistic they are and I hate the ones that turn realism on it's ear to make the story more interesting. It was a bad script! I plain don't like Dan Fogler in anything I've seen him in either.

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Hey! They were in "Death Valley" Strange things can happen in a situation like this.

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While I agree with you to a point, we don't know the actual "history" these two characters had. Apparently it ran pretty deep for him to call out his friend (who admittedly was all but a stranger now) to try to help him. As I've posted elsewhere, I found the two rants and affair backstory pretty trite, but once they began the fight the relationship seemed quite real--and perhaps even plausible--to me.

This summer I took a motorcycle through all the western states, and let's just say that the desert can do strange things to your mind.

Lastly, art has a right to push past reality to try to tell us a greater story. So even if you don't buy the film as "plausible" it still speaks to a higher truth: that we all have one life and are without excuse as to how we choose to live it.

You certainly have a right to your opinion of the film (as I do mine), but plausibility and reality aren't the end all be all of great storytelling.

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I think the ending is up to the viewer since the movies theme is about how you perceive life. IMO I think they both lived, Mitchell is crying at the end because he has PTSD. If it were a perfect ending his face would've healed and there would be no scars on his nose nor him crying, he'd finally be satisfied with his life. The ending wasn't perfect because he was unhappy. Carter was happy because he always was happy no matter his circumstances. I don't get why people are saying the ending was too perfect or unrealistic, it's very realistic and far from perfect IMO.

Also, Mitchell hadn't used his phone in the desert, so there still could've been battery life. This film can go either way you choose.

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I took it to be a near-death hallucination/dream. The phone being dead even while it rang was a giveaway. Carter's hand and Mitchell's head being totally healed was another although some might suggest some time had passed for that to happen, in which case why would Mitchell still be using a broken phone after all that time? He would surely have bought another.

If you watch the ending again it has a dreamy, surreal feel about it. The way both of them had no injuries or scars, Mitchell being greeted in work with his Mohawk like some hero, Carter finally having a place to live and writing what seems to be a successful novel, him getting on great with Joanne and her with him. It was all of Mitchell's ideal outcomes come true at once. Too much of what he wanted to go right finally going right to be credible but leaving enough doubt for people to think otherwise and believe it was real. There is no cast-iron correct answer to what you asked though. One outcome is far more likely than the other but you take out of it what you want. If it still makes more sense to you that they lived and the ending was real-life then so be it.

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I agree it was a dream and I don't know if this was intentional but after they returned home the parts of Mitchell's hair that wasn't shaved never looked like it had grown. If several days or more likely weeks had passed, the sides of his hair would have been thicker.

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this is another thing that is "too perfect". I liked his mowhawk in the dessert, it seemed natural. But I noticed in the scenes after they came home, it looked like fake fur glued to the top of his head. It was darker, thicker, and seemed to have a little material going down the sides.

His whole life was perfect. He quit his job, yet could somehow afford to travel Europe indefinitely?

A side note, Carter seemed to be moving away from Mitchell. Once he was successful in writing a novel, housed, clothed, warm, his friend (who had been taking care of him) felt comfortable letting him go as well. Mitchell began taking care of Carter (out of guilt?) when he brought him the meat to eat in the dessert.

It's almost as if Mitchell was living the perfect life to resolve all the conflicts that had happened between himself and Carter on the road trip.

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But I believe there is another possibility to it as well , what if things have actually worked out , and what Mitchell is feeling is the impact of those few days that he spent in that desert , it has affected his brain so strongly that he has become a bit psychic. He is living in reality but his brain is not ready to accept that things have worked out so smoothly , its a big similar to "TOTAL RECALL" kind of climax , where the viewers have to just pick their option.To say the least it was a very interesting climax , out of the box

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I think either outcome is possible.

The phone was fine when he first calls Carter in the middle of the night. After the signal drops out, he throws it aside (and it's offscreen). The throw alone *could* have cracked the screen, explaining why it's broken again when he picks it back up. He didn't exactly slam it the first time, but it's a movie and the impact is offscreen, so you never know.

I need to rewatch the scene. This was just my observation the first time through.

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It was broke in the desert during the fight. They clearly filmed it for this reason. It was broke when he answered it at the shack, and it was broke when he called his friend to talk.

I think it's pretty clear they died in the desert.

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Yes. Mitchell could also being hallucinating about the phone's appearance. It's very much like PTSD when soldiers come home from a difficult war, and life no longer seems real - almost too quiet and easy at times; some have stated that life seemed "frivolous" or "surreal" after returning to their normal lives. Also, many veterans with PTSD have night terrors and occasionally have hallucinations like seeing the enemy, being in wartime places, and holding objects (like a gun). So, the ending with Mitchell could've indicated this possibility.

Regardless, I do NOT think they are dead in the desert. Obviously, Mitchell's brain would no longer be able to function and produce a fantasy. If anything, he is laying in the desert near death and his brain has brought on a dream-state hallucination to ease him into death. The dropped call with Carter's voice being cut off mid-sentence could have symbolized his friend's death. Now Mitchell's death would be imminent.

The filmmakers clearly left it up in the air for us to decide. Nobody is really wrong...we just pick the ending that suits our taste. It's a bit of a film cop-out. It may've been more powerful to have had a shot of him/them near death, perhaps on the old mattress at the abandoned house...or Mitchell shown, more precisely, as seriously losing a battle with PTSD, while his friend Carter has used the trauma to his benefit and has gained strength from it (as was shown). Perhaps, Mitchell ends up homeless or in a mental facility by contrast. Two people can handle PTSD very differently.



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They Didn't Die

A Phone Not In Any Kind Of Use Can Go In Standby Mode(Perfectly Working) For Upto 3-4 Days

The Broken Phone In The Last Which Duhamel's Charcter Saw In Bathroom Was A Hallucination From The Horrors Of Near Death Experience.

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Mitchell wasn't being greeted, at least to me. It looked like he was quitting.

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The ending was dreamy and surreal... but there was something that really stood out to me:

In the end, as Mitchell is going over how the whole thing seems like a dream, they show him in a dark corner when he's with his wife and parents -- his kid runs over to him but he seems dismissive. He's there; things are good; life is treating him right but he's not there.

That part alone did make me think that maybe they did get out and that he was given what he wanted out of life but he couldn't accept it because he wasn't willing to.

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I like the fact that the ending left me wondering (but not really wondering too much.)

Having lived in the desert, I was originally going to give the film a lower rating than I wound up giving it. Why? Because, we are always taught to never, ever leave your vehicle if you break down while traveling through the desert. And, no water? You can live for a while without food, but you will die very quickly without water. Especially after all of the physical (and mental) trauma those two went through, the lack of water would have made the situation dire. The loss of blood alone would have screwed up rational thinking. So a rescue of any type, with them wandering around, would have been a true miracle.

So, when Mitchell's broken phone started ringing, at first I thought, "Well why the heck didn't they call for help before? Wait, that isn't a satellite phone. Where are the cell towers?" And, immediately realized that no, maybe they are hallucinating, which is what I expected them to start doing on the second day (if you have ever had to work outside when it is 110 out, you will know what I mean.)

Therefore, I think they died. Whatever you want to believe the outcome was, this was a very good movie.

I'd like to pose another question: Did Carter actually die the first time, and Mitchell only hallucinated that he wasn't actually dead?

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But I believe there is another possibility to it as well , what if things have actually worked out , and what Mitchell is feeling is the impact of those few days that he spent in that desert , it has affected his brain so strongly that he has become a bit psychic. He is living in reality but his brain is not ready to accept that things have worked out so smoothly , its a big similar to "TOTAL RECALL" kind of climax , where the viewers have to just pick their option.To say the least it was a very interesting climax , out of the box

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That possibility has definitely been left open by the writer. I like movies that put your braincells work for a while after. Not many do and there's not many I'd be happy to watch again soon after my first viewing but this was one that I would. I'm sure there's other bits of the film that are worth a 2nd look now that we know the ending(s).

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I'm with ali-majaz on this. The deus-ex-machina phone call came after they found water, hence the call and the broken screen are not necessarily to prove that the last scenes were a dream. Which bring up yet another possible moral to the story: by finding the abandoned village and water, they actually saved themselves already. It was like fate saying, okay guys you redeemed yourselves so I let you live. And this is the point where ali-majaz' point about still feeling the impact kicks in.

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Actually, I think the phone ringing at just the perfect moment--after they found water, saved themselves, and were about to triumphantly set course for civilization--was soo stark it was intended to shock us out of the desert survival. To bring the audience relief. And it did.

And just when you think "Hey, this has all worked out so well!" the director forces you to realize...it hasn't worked out at all. Reality ended in that hole in the desert. We were only seeing our dreams, and the character's dreams, projected from our imaginations of what could have been.

Great film!

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It makes more sense to me that Carter was killed by Mitchell in the fight and his recovery was a figment of Mitchell's hallucination. That there was no expedition into the desert to look for help and no subsequent rescue. They were in no shape for that kind of trek. It was just the beginning of Mitchell's "happily ever after" dream so he had to resurrect Carter in his mind for that to happen. Carter was really killed and placed in the grave and Mitchell joined him and eventually died too from exposure or dehydration. That ending actually gives the film more depth and makes for a more satisfying wrap up of events IMO. Carter becoming conscious again only to die anyway in the grave adds no value to the movie.

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Yes ...that kinda makes more sense to me too , the best part is that I thought it will be just a usual hollywood flick , but it surprised me.such a mystic ending

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Good summation. And I agree, the ending really lifts the movie up a notch. It was very well done.




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Yes, imo carter is dead after the fight.

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I'm going to watch it tomorrow and can't wait but I think it is just wonderful that a film can provoke this kind of discussion and make you think about the direction of your own life. I love that it is character driven propelled by challenging conversation but it is also a survival film.



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The 7 second theory:

When you die, there are 7 seconds in which you are in a dream state. You're unconsciously conscious. However, while dreaming, we lose all perception of time. A day could be a minute, a second could be a year. So what if you've been dead for 3 seconds and all of your life up till now has been a dream... If you could grasp that concept, then you could enter a lucid dream state. A state in which you can control your environment. It would be as though you have entered the matrix...

That's exactly what I took from this movie. After Mitchell eats that carcass and drags it over to Carter at night, you see them laying in a ditch together, it's still dark. It cuts to black, and you see from Mitchell's point of view, Carter waking him up. That's when all good fortune starts happening to them.

Now when Mitchell starts realizing they're still in the desert, they show them laying in the same spot before Carter wakes Mitchell up, but it's daylight. To me I feel like that's Mitchell's last moments alive, and Carter is most likely dead already.

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They die in the grave.

Mitchell's hallucinations began shortly after he kills Carter.

The fight happens in the morning. After Mitchell finds him dead, there are scenes showing the day going on and the heat that is still real to Mitchell. The death of his friend becomes so great he is shown sitting across the road from his friend body.

Next scene, the hallucinations began. This is when we find Mitchell talking to Carter's corpse. "Its gonna be ok buddy, its gonna be ok"
"You know I was thinking about it
Its really funny!" "we should of thought about it sooner" "we scared that old lady" (more on this later)

Carter awakens suddenly, while being drug to the grave and states that it's almost dark. This shows that he has been dead or unconscious (w/o a pulse lol) all day long. He is now awake and sees grave and gets angry. Notice he covers his face. This face covering is shown in a few other scenes, usually when there is hostility or something to be avoided not seen.

Few scenes later, Mitchell is laying in hole and carter comes up, face covered, still hostile. puts knife to Mitchells throat but doesnt say anything threatening. Instead he says, "hey Mitchell." Mitchell responds "I'm not well' Mitchell is talking to himself here. He begins to Rationalize how easy it would be to just cut his on throat. he says he would have to be out of his mind. Carter chimes in, and this is a big point. "That happened hours ago."

Next scene shows intensity of heat. Carter's face uncovered and the two are on speaking terms again. Scene shows Carter sipping on windshield cleaner which he couldn't stand. He is propped up against truck with hose in his mouth. Seems Staged. All the while Mitchell is in deep thought, he is widdling wood, then we find a repeat of doing things differently.

Mitchell says, "I would of done things differently, I woulda made changes."
"Wasn't that bad of an idea." Its just we, we didnt do it right.'

Carter states. "Well, next time we'll do it right"

The saying we should of thought about it and done it differently at first made me think he was analyzing his life. But when you look at the wording and the situation. You realize Mitchell is actually talking about the decision to cut his hair. After saying I would of done things differenly, he says it wasn't a bad idea we just didn't do it right. He is so far gone and analyzing the cutting of his hair, although being a good idea, bc it released the person he wanted to be, it ended up costing him a rescue, which lead to the fight and the death of Carter.

The hair cut has a lot of symbolism, especially the fact that it occured so early. I would love to hear the directors thoughts on it.

The town is fake. I believe the telephone wires are key here. The telephone wires lead them in, they find water and hope begins, next miracle his broke cell phone receives a call. No cell battery last four to five days. He relizes this at the end when the phone rings even though it is dead. Finally we see the ambulance coming in to save them. The ambulance is coming down a old dirt road. The telephone poles that lead them to this town are not there. I believe this proves Mitchell has hallucinated these scenes.

Mitchell's Wife:
Here is a lady who has had such an influence on Mitchell that he has changed who he was. But in an instant she is ok with uprooting their life, traveling world on whim, with a young child, and they are going to go until out of money. Just doesn't fit. Also you see the wife reading what is apparently Carter's novel about their ordeal. Which had to include the affair story bc it was a huge part of them opening back up. Yet she loves it??? His friend also states that his wife isnt what he thought and he likes her. This just doesn't fit Carter's character and I know all you married guys out there know like I do that this is total fantasy.

Finally, the best clue that this has all been a hallucination, is provided by the Mitchell's late night phone call to Carter.
It is 3:30 am, Mitchell calls Carter and ask "Are u asleep?" Carter responds no and ask what's up.
Mitchell states, he doesn't know, everything was going fine, then states,
"I feel weird." I believe he is feeling death creeping in.

Carter jokingly ask Mitchell if it has occurred to him that he may just need some sleep.

Mitchell doesn't answer Carter's question. Instead states that he thought he was past the point of believing people could really change,or at least past where he could.
He is beginning to fear he could still be in the desert.

Carter now ask's him a key question. He ask Mitchell if it is harder to believe that everything has changed and even with all the changes everthing is great and it all went smoothly? Or is it harder to believe your still lost in the desert dying in a grave?

Mitchell is know shown sitting alone in a dark corner. I believe this is symbolizes his fear that he may not be there. Next his son pulls him out and back to family. Which could symbolize he still has some hope its real.

Carter finally states he has just finished their book. With a relieved look, Mitchell says, "great tell me how it ends."
Carter responds, " Well that's the funny thing.....call is lost. Cell phone is dead. Just as it would be in real life after 4-5 days with no charge. But suddenly the phone rings again. How can this happen? The phone had died. It can't and Mitchell finally knows the reality of his situation. He looks back at it all. Just as the audience should when asked which situation was more believable. Are you a dreamer that wants to believe the miracle ending rescue? Or after stopping and thinking back on what you have just scene, do you realize, like Mitchell finally does, it has all been a hallucination.

Mitchell, after realizing he is still in the desert and is dying, has to decide how it is going to end. He ultimately decides to end it the way he wants. He is shown laying in bed next to his wife and son. He knows it isn't real, but he chooses this scenario over the true one. The tear running down his face shows that he knows the truth is he is about to die in the desert. His eyes close and the scene quickly cuts to black. He has died.

This was a great film in my opinion and I can't wait for more in-depth interviews and interpretations of this film.

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"All the while Mitchell is in deep thought, he is widdling wood, then we find a repeat of doing things differently�

Mitchell says, "I would of done things differently, I woulda made changes." � � � �"Wasn't that bad of an idea. Its just we �We just didnt do it right.'

Carter states. "Well next time. �We'll do it right"

The saying we should of thought about it and done it differently at first made me think he was analyzing his life. �But when you look at the wording and the situation. You realize Mitchell is actually talking about the decision to cut his hair. �After saying I would of done things differenly, he says it wasn't a bad idea we just didn't do it right. He is so far gone and analyzing the cutting of his hair, although being a good idea, bc it released the person he wanted to be, it ended up costing him a rescue, which lead to the fight and the death of Carter."

Are you kidding? Its obvious he is talking about the road trip. Particularly the decision to take the scenic route. They should have done things differently - like bring more water.

And "widdling" I think you mean whittling. Hilarious!

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I know, who goes on a road trip and doesn't bring snacks and water or something !! really, I don't do around the block without taking a bottle of water at least............

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Great analysis of the film, and I think you're right on. The only thing I think about a bit differently is when the hallucination began. I think it started when he started digging the grave. His friend waking up at just the right moment was surreal. Also, when he first drags his body, there is no blood near his head (I was surprised by this), but when his friend gets up, there is blood near his head (he actually asks, "All this blood isn't mine, is it?" or something to that effect).

At the end, I was convinced, as you he died. But as he "flashed-back" through the scenes, I kinda expected them to have died at the shack, but the flashback continued. All the way until he was laying in the grave next to his friend's corpse. This makes sense because of so many of the other things you pointed out (sudden strength, the friend leaving then returning, drinking the fluid and so on).

Thanks for the clarity...and sharing your thoughts!

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That was a good review.

What stood out for me to make me think it was a dream was 2 things

1. In the desert the phone was broken, then it was fixed afterwards. That made me think it was all a dream. Towards the end when the phone broke again, that made me realize it probably was a dream.

2. Mitchell went on and on about how flabby and out of shape his wife was now that they had a kid together. But when she shows up at the hospital she is fit, attractive and trim. There is no way that is the same woman Mitchell was talking about earlier. That is more like a fantasy woman he created.

The part about how his wife had him more or less on a leash, then was ok with totally uprooting and giving up his job didn't seem plausible either.

The fact that Carter had no pulse after the fight, and the fight sequence was part of the opening implies everything after that was a hallucination.

Also after Mitchell goes into his theory and asks Carter how his book ends he says 'thats the funny thing', which implied his book may have ended the same way. It was all a dream and they are still dead since his books always have a bad turn at the end.

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