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Hollywood fiction covers up real MK-ULTRA..


This movie started out with some truths, the mad chemist talking about his cold-bloodedness, and talk about the secret program that Clinton actually apologized for (the MK-ULTRA experiments). The similarities between truth and movies's fiction end there. MK-ULTRA was an illegal CIA program that used psychiatric patients' minds and destroyed their memories through 3 sets of "treatments." These were CIA authored illegal experiments against american citizens. This movie was a distraction from what was arguably the most God Awful macabre experiment aimed at innocent american citizens. This is not mythical so called "conspiracy" talk. It's known fact, both on wikipedia and all over the internet and youtube, all well documented-for anyone who is interested in learning about it and/or hearing from the still remaining victims of the project and/or their relatives. Scientists and other Chemists, as shown in true footage, at the beginning of the movie, eventually came out of the woodwork, after the project was declassified. No-one can dispute what the CIA project was doing.

The MK-ULTRA project was invented and perfected from the mid 50's to its peak in the 60's, and possibly continues today, under a yet to be unclassified government documents. The US was enamored with North Korea's mind control operation during that war against them. So the US, after the war, embarked upon a mission to find weapons of mind control just like the missions to find weapons of chemical, nuclear and biological warfare had been sought after (e.g: remember who created Agent Orange and remember that Saddam obtained his chemical weapons from West Germany and the US) .

Anyway; the idea was to create a Manchurian Candidate who would operate according to military dictates (automatically and w/o memory, as if he was a puppet being pulled by strings). The leading pioneering institute, for this governmental agenda, was at McGill University in Montreal, during the sixties. There, a psychiatrist named Ewan Cameron was a pioneer of sorts in the experimentation of mind control, or the MK-ULTRA project. He used people who came to his clinic, at McGill, for simple depression, and made them the target of his macabre attempts to control their minds. This wasn't the only place wherein MK-ULTRA was carried out. The project worked on US vets and others. This is what Bill Clinton was referring to, at the beginning of the movie, when he apologized for the government's role, depicted in these unclassified papers of the MK-ULTRA project of the 50's and 60's.

The movie was wrong in describing the client population. No one got the drug from Colorado or anyplace other than through these treatment centers. And the drug was called LSD (Lysergic Acid). The fictitious name for the drug, shown in the movie, was a fantasy-as was the means of obtaining it. The LSD was given to the depressed self-admitted patients in extremely high doses. Then, electroshock therapy (ECT) was given to the patient in amounts of up to hundreds of times that of "normal" shock therapy. After the high doses of LSD, along with the ECT, patients were administered huge doses of opioids. These kept the patient asleep for weeks or months-while suggestive subliminal messages were pumped into their brains through audio control.

The idea, was to create a zombi-like person with no past. While there is no firm evidence as to why this was the goal of the military, it was clear that they wanted a human being to wake up from all of this "treatment" with no other identity other than what was recorded into his/her brain during the final phase of "treatment" (the deep opioid induced sleep).

No-one knows what former MK-ULTRA victims went on to accomplish after their brainwashing was completed. No one has ever documented the results any brainwashing. No-one knows if the program exists to this day. We do know that Bahshee Chapter was 95% fiction. The treatment and the goals, of the MK-ULTRA project, were glossed over in the movie. The horror story of the changing of the faces and the ghoul like presence, wasn't a part of the recorded history of the MK-ULTRA atrocity. This movie fictionalized a horrifying sick aspect of what the CIA was doing during those decades. The truth was more horrifying than the fiction that was designed to entertain and scare. Blending a little truth, at the start of the movie, with the fiction that it became, is doing a great injustice to anyone who suffered from the effects of the non fictionalized horror that this program created.

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Who cares?

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Anyone with an IQ above 110.

By the way, I am right behind you.

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Diethyltryptamine (the drug mentioned in the movie) is in no way fictional. It is an extremely powerful hallucinogenic drug, generally believed to be the most potent in existence. You can, in fact obtain it, and I don't see why you couldn't buy it from someone in Colorado as easily as anywhere else. As to your claims about MKULTRA, many of them are exaggerated. We do know what a number of the "victims" went on to accomplish because there are more than a few people who volunteered for the program and even went on to promote the drug after their involvement was completed. Apparently, their experience was not all that traumatic. Now, I'm positive that the CIA conducted illegal experiments on people without their knowledge or consent, but your language and conclusions, are overly dramatic and contain wild speculations and outright errors (of the type that could be easily avoided with five minutes of research). This kind of thing does not help the cause of people who are serious about bringing to light the abuses and overstepping of government.

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What about the arguably most famous "episode" from MK=UlTRA's history, when the scientist who was aligned in some way to the project jumped out of a hotel window? His family are STILL looking for answers from the government to this day...but I have, unfortunately, forgotten his name. Frank Olson! Thank God for google, eh? Anyway he was originally employed to research biological weapons but had a crisis of conscience and resigned, it's all here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#Scientists_involved

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Frank Olson
His body was exhumed and his death has now been ruled a homicide. Obviously the CIA had him thrown from the 13th floor window to his death, because he knew too much and was no longer loyal to the program.

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Exactly, who cares....

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Thanks for the information. The "I don't care people" obviously live in a gentle little bubble world. For the rest of us who like to be educated ,thanks for telling me more of the facts that this film was based on. It never ceases to scare me the governments get up to.

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Hollywood and the media are also tools for the government. I think the OP's point was that this movie serves to make MK ULTRA a laughable myth for people like the "who cares?" poster. The governments and their tools will always be active with their deceitful programs.

It doesn't end with MK ULTRA.


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The reason I didn't care for this is because they mixed reality MK Ultra and a story by HP Lovecraft (remake perhaps of From Beyond). I've looked into the MK Ultra stuff and Frank Olson as someone also mentioned. I don't generally like the style of found footage film and do not like the loud noises that I know will eventually screw up my speakers!

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LSD was proven very ineffectual as a super soldier drug or even as a truth serum, in fact, it made soldiers question orders, not follow them at all, or even try to convince their superiors of the stupidity of the whole political system. This happened to the most hardened soldiers even, the ones who loved war and killing. As far as mind control, LSD won't get you anywhere, and as far as doses, after a certain dose (about 2mg, or 2000ug), higher doses have no different effect, you can bathe in the stuff and it will not get you "higher", or have any adverse affect. There are many mysteries and of course benefits to LSD, but a super soldier and mind control are not it, neither is interrogation. That being said MK-Ultra is very real, and so are the victims, but LSD was abandoned a long time ago as an agent to this end.

DMT is a naturally occurring chemical that is responsible for consciousness itself, it fires up the neurons at 49 days after conception, thus making the mass of cells not only alive, but also alive (thus making any abortion after that day murder, albeit legal in most places). It is also present in dreaming. It is also one of the most powerful hallucinogens, or visionary drugs ever, but again, useless as a tool as this is not a drug that you can talk to people on, the whole universe is replaced, you're no longer "here" but elsewhere, somewhere where you understand and things make sense, but stop making sense as soon as you return, except the feeling that the place was even more real than the reality we live in. Quite the trip really. Probably responsible for the events that people describe close to death or when their heart stops and they report seeing things. Interdimentional aliens are a big part of pure smoked/injected DMT trip, ones that tell you, or try, all kinds of interesting things that you seem to understand but fail to once back to our reality. In it's digested form as ayahuasca (with a MAOI inhibitor), the trip is 6 hours instead of 5 minutes for the former, and it is very natural, more mushroom like, but again, gods and goddesses are present, very different from LSD.

Keep up the waking people up from their slumber though, good work, we need more people to wake up to the reality of the NWO and their takeover, whether it be technological or biological or chemical or all of the above. But psychoactives are not it, they are our friend and their enemy.

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Nice write up, thank you.

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