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What happened to Japanese martial arts in this movie?


Another imdb poster uttered the same comment as I am about to here.

Didn't anyone see a parallel to the 1992 hit movie, "Last of the Mohicans"?
In the movie, set during the 1756 French and Indian War in North America, British redcoat soldiers, among the best-trained and most disciplined in the western world, find themselves unable to cope in individual, hand-to-hand combat against fierce, agile, Native American Huron indian warriors. Once the hostile indian warriors survive the intial musket volleys of the trained Brit redcoats, the indians swarm under the redcoat bayonets, stabbing, slashing, hacking, chopping, to horrific effect. British redcoats, their two hands pre-occuppied holding onto a long, heavy, unwieldy firearm, cannot defend themselves at close quarters against the indians' hand weapons.

This is what happens to the well-trained, well-armed, and highly-disciplined Japanese peasant soldiers and their samurai-class officers. No Japanese seems to know any combat jujutsu, karate-jutsu, kenjutsu, or any other venerable Japanese martial arts. The Japanese get their heads sliced off by wicked, curved, forward-angled hand machetes that resemble miniature versions of the scythe-like, two-handed swords of the ancient Dacian warriors that did the same horrific effect on Roman legionaires. The Japanese soldiers and officers are seen floundering almost helplessly in the face of a close-combat assault, even panicking and retreating while suffering near 100% casualties in the battles depicted. Most Japanese persons would cringe watching this movie. To Japanese persons, this movie must seem completely anti-Japanese propaganda.

I have something of an answer, since I enjoy reading military history. The Meiji Era imperial Japanese army was 100% based on European models, primarily that of France and Germany. Even bayonet training was based on French bayonet practice. In the late 19th century, Japan had turned its back on its own samurai military traditions. There were several reasons for this. The restoration of the Japanese emperor's throne to true power meant overthrowing the Shogunate and its samurai class. The Japanese faced the conundrum of honoring its samurai history and traditions while suppressing it completely in order to build a 'new order'. You see that for a time even the Japanese officers were carrying European-style swords. By the time of the military dictatorship in the first decades of the 20th century, there was a conscious return to Japanese military tradition by the re-introduction of the samurai sword design for officers and NCOs. Japanese hand-to-hand combat, based on old jujutsu styles, became part of military basic training. However, the western-modernized Japanese Army of 1905 did not emphasize hand-to-hand combat, instead emulating western armies in tactical formation mass infantry assaults.

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Well, I don't know much about Native Taiwanese & if they have their own martial arts but a grandmaster martial artist from the Philippines once said:

If it works, it's arnis. If it doesn't, it's karate.

LOL! If Filipinos, Indonesians, Malays have their own martial arts, maybe these people have their's as well. & perhaps they were very effective against whatever martial art the Japanese knew. After all, these people lived the live of warriors, it was a warrior's culture. Besides, these people were familiar with their land, they knew every nook & cranny there unlike Japanese, they probably used it to their advantage.



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In reality flipping around and doing kicks don't work. The Japanese were trained in banzai attacks and using their bayonets and weapons.In movies you have one on one hand to hand fighting with everyone taking turns. In real life you're fighting a bunch of people at the same time and will get overwhelmed.And even with hand to hand training you would have a hard time defending against weapons especially multiple people with weapons.Even in ancient China,Japan,etc you weren't going to see people flipping all over the place trying to kick you. Hand to hand is last resort and a losing one at that.

Martial arts works best in competitions not so much in real life.




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You're spot on. People don't realize that Asian empty-hands fighting arts were originally intended as a desperate last resort when a fighting man lost his weapons or his weapons broke during battle. No Chinese soldier, Japanese samurai, or Korean warrior went into battle with only kicks, chops, and punches. They were fully armed.

Empty hands combat arts actually flourished in times of peace when weapons were suppressed or discouraged and the lack of conflict meant lots of time to study hand-to-hand fighting skills.

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