Hopefully this show will help roll back the poisonous advance of Islamophobia in this country, by letting people see that Muslims are human beings too and aren't any different from anyone else. This show can serve as a good counterweight to hate-spewing propaganda networks like Fox. I can't wait to see it.
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
Oh yeah, "Islamophobia". You can make fun of Christianity to your heart's content but if you say anything about the poor Muslims then you're a hateful, close-minded bigot, right? This double standard is sickening. Everyone knows what Islam is all about. It's not a secret. Supporters of Sharia law want to set back civilized justice about 500 years. Yeah, "Islamophobia" must be the reason everyone knows what's in the Quran.
And why is it only hate-spewing when people speak against Islam? Isn't it hate-spewing when you speak against Christianity? Oh no, of course it isn't. That just wouldn't make sense. *rolls eyes*
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
You just put a LOT of words in my mouth. Care to point out where I made fun of Christians or said it was ok to do so? No?
Take your bigotry and get it off my thread. If you think you're any better than people who insult Christians and Christianity, you're not. You're the one with a double standard here.
Now f-ck off.
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
I wasn't accusing you of this. I was speaking in generalities. I don't have bigotry. I am a Born-Again Christian that has read, studied, and researched the teachings of Islam. I know what the teachings entail as opposed to the propaganda you hear on the news. If people would do a little research of their own they would see what Islam truly is: An intolerant, violent, hateful religion.
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
Oh, right, you're not a bigot. Throwing blanket generalizations that smear a billion and a half people based on nothing more than the fact that they have a different religion, that's not bigotry, no sir.
Have you ever actually met a Muslim? I've met a ton of them and not one of them was anywhere near as intolerant or hateful as you are, nor were they violent.
Islam has a billion and a half followers. If it was a violent religion, this world would be in chaos right now. No, I mean CHAOS, not a handful of low-intensity wars going on, which by the way were started by Western empires against Muslim countries (which naturally sparks reaction, as it will anywhere).
Religions aren't violent. People resort to violence as a reaction to conditions they face. Radical interpretations of religions are sometimes used as an excuse, but violence would happen whether people are religious or not. Some of the worst violence of the last century was perpetrated by atheists, and a good deal of it by Christians and Jews as well.
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
You know, I love seeing who I'm conversing with. I did a little research on your posts and you're quite obviously a person that hates America. If you happen to live in America, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Last I checked, Christians aren't blowing up buildings and subways in the name of Christianity. Christians aren't demanding special rights and laws that fly in the face of years of civil progression.
Is seems to be the popular opinion at the moment to call all Christians bigots and hateful because we don't accept a religion that is taught to kill Christians. Well I'm sorry, but I live in a place called reality where this make complete sense.
I love how you cite some vague "war" that "Western empires" waged against Muslim countries. Which war was this? Can you even name one? And what exactly constitutes a Muslim country? Is it a country that is predominantly Muslim or any country that contains at lease one Muslim? You have to clarify these things because vague arguments make you look like a total imbecile.
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
You know, I love seeing who I'm conversing with. I did a little research on your posts and you're quite obviously a person that hates America. If you happen to live in America, you should be ashamed of yourself.I don't hate any country. That's stupid. I hate governments, and not only the American government. And why should I be ashamed of myself? Because I don't automatically give my love and loyalty to whoever happens to be in charge of administering an artificial political entity within artificial human-drawn borders, just because I happened to have been born within those borders? I think it's people who hold such ridiculous loyalties who have better reason to be ashamed.
Last I checked, Christians aren't blowing up buildings and subways in the name of Christianity. Christians aren't demanding special rights and laws that fly in the face of years of civil progression.Horse sh!t. Read about the Troubles in the UK, the Yugoslav f-ckfest of the 90s, the ever-worsening disaster in the Congo and various other regions of Africa. How about Christian terrorist groups like the Ugandan LRA which uses mass rape as a weapon of war? Or those Christians in South Sudan who are slaughtering each other en masse right now.
Is seems to be the popular opinion at the moment to call all Christians bigots and hateful because we don't accept a religion that is taught to kill Christians. Well I'm sorry, but I live in a place called reality where this make complete sense.I'm not calling all Christians bigoted and hateful. I'm calling YOU bigoted and hateful. And ignorant too.
I love how you cite some vague "war" that "Western empires" waged against Muslim countries. Which war was this? Can you even name one? And what exactly constitutes a Muslim country? Is it a country that is predominantly Muslim or any country that contains at lease one Muslim? You have to clarify these things because vague arguments make you look like a total imbecile.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War
So, you're upset that we went after Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein? This actually upsets you that two mass murderers are now gone? How the hell do you sleep at night?
You are a very ignorant condescending ass that needs to read a little more and see what is actually happening in this world. I'm quite happy I'm not as blissfully ignorant as you obviously are.
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
"We"? Sorry, I wasn't a party to that, and I quite doubt that you were either.
Osama bin Laden was a piece of sh!t, but the entire Afghan nation didn't have to suffer for his crime (which, by the way, was a reaction to Western crimes against the people of the Muslim world).
Saddam Hussein represented no threat to anyone. And the Western empires were just fine and dandy with his mass murder when he was employing it against the people of Iran and Iraqi Kurdistan in the 1980s. It was only when he invaded a Western puppet state in 1990 that he became this big bad villain in the eyes of Westerners.
Where was this Western imperialist concern for human rights when Suharto ruled Indonesia and slaughtered an estimate 500,000 to 1 million political opponents in 1965 to 1966, and many thousands more as the years went by. Where was this concern for human rights when Indonesia invaded East Timor and committed genocide there? There was none. The Western empires were fine with Suharto and the things he did, they even assisted him in it. The Indonesian regime was getting military aid from the U.S all the way into the Clinton administration.
Yet i'm the blissfully ignorant one.
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
You still don't get it...
People blame the U.S. for interfering in every other country's business saying we're trying to "police" the world. But when we don't jump into every single world issue we're now the bad guys? How does your logic work???
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
I didn't say the U.S SHOULD have invaded Indonesia. I'm saying it DIDN'T, because the Indonesian regime served U.S interests. You argued that the U.S attacked these countries out of a concern for human rights. I provided the Indonesia example as proof that the U.S government doesn't give a flying f-ck about human rights. It's about imperial interests.
Try and keep up, please.
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
You're one of those 99%er whiny pussies, aren't you?
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
You couldn't stay on topic if your life depended on it. My God. Just like a right-winger, keep changing the goal posts whenever you're losing an argument. Typical.
And no, i'm not one of them, as if that has anything to do with this.
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
Oooooh, that worked! God, I can't believe you fell for that one! Too perfect! Way to lump one person's words and actions into the collective body! Nice work proving my point you idiot.
You accuse me of lumping one person's actions into the views of 1.5 billion, yet you JUST did the EXACT same thing. I love flushing out a hypocrite!
I'm done, this was too much fun. Thanks for the laughs.
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
Right, like you planned that. You're just making this up as you go along, admit it. You've changed the subject like 5 times already because you couldn't make an argument to save your life. This is the debate version of guerilla warfare.
And sorry, but there's a difference between political ideologies and religions. Try again. If I say that Nazis are generally racists, would you object to that assertion?
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
I see. You were losing the game, so you took your ball and went home.
If you ever decide to let me know when I said it was ok to judge all Christians or Christianity, explain how anti-Christian attitudes are any worse than anti-Muslim attitudes, or if you want to talk more about this supposed Western imperial concern for human rights and how to reconcile that with the West's previous support of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden and neverending support for regimes like that of Suharto, or if you'd ever like to clarify on exactly how your personal experience with a Muslim represents all of them whereas my personal experience doesn't, let me know.
Ta ta.
P.S. I just looked at your profile page and apparently you hate gay people. And you had the nerve to accuse Muslims of intolerance. Wow.
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
Oh no, I proved my point completely and now you can't believe you fell for it. You can't talk your way out of this one. You did EXACTLY what you were giving me such a hard time about doing. I can't see this getting much better and my time is better spent in other areas.
I sure hope that someday you realize that you're not as smart as you think you are.
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
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Oh, one last thing: I actually had a very good friend that, after high school, converted to Islam. She said we couldn't be friends anymore because I was a Christian and an infidel. How's that for tolerance and acceptance?
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
She as an individual is a moron and a bigot.
I've got one for you too. I met a devout Muslim girl who became my girlfriend and remained so for two years even though I never converted to Islam.
Now, are we done using individual cases to judge a billion and a half human beings? Because it's pretty f-cking stupid, to be quite honest.
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
When you claim to belong to something, you represent it as an individual. That's how it works. If you're an entry level employee at Wal-Mart, you represent the multibillion dollar multinational corporation. It's not any different if you're a follower of a religion. Your individual actions represent the collective body in the eyes of the public.
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
Then by your ridiculous logic, my personal story represents all Muslims and you've got nothing to bitch about about Muslim tolerance for others.
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
Okay, at this point I have to assume you're messing with me. There is no possible way you're actually this dumb.
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
Hey, I just turned your own logic around on you. If individual human beings represent entire religions and all their followers, then my personal experience proves that every Muslim on the face of the Earth is tolerant and accepting.
Or is this "logic" only valid when it "proves" negative things about entire religions and all their followers?
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
You sound like a first year liberal arts or philosophy grad student. Am I right?
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
Why do you insist on changing the subject? Is it because your arguments are crashing and burning and you just can't admit it?
"couldn't care less" = "don't care at all".
"could care less" = "care at least a little".
Nope, I was just trying to show everyone that you're a hypocrite and have a double-standard. You succinctly proved my point. Thanks for falling right into that trap. :)
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
Just wanted to say "WAY TO GO" in your handling of the TROLL that immediately started SPEWING as if IT knew what "ISLAM IS"! I saw the first few sentences and reported IT for hate speech and for just GENERAL STUPIDITY! But you are VERY MUCH HOLDING YOUR OWN... and from your RESPONSES to IT... it is using EVERY PLAY in the REICH WING "PLAYBOOK" and is a JOKE!!! Keep on with the GOOD FIGHT!
shareIt sure looks like your "reporting" did wonders. Let me enlighten you: It's not "hate speech" when it's true.
Fire Bat
Only a fool would deny God.
Well, the show's not doing too well and sponsors have been dropping out, so hopefully it will not be coming back. TLC does seem to depend on freakshows.
"Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"
That Islam has a bad reputation on this planet is the fault of Muslims. Let's take a look at Islam's hate list:
Jews
Christians
Hindus
Atheists
Homosexuals
Liberated Women
That covers a lot of people. Islam can reform its reputation if the Islamic world would just go through an enlightenment.
BTW, I'm an Atheist and have spoken out against both Christianity and Islam. The response I get from criticizing Islam too often gets me branded a bigot. Funny how the same isn't true when I say something negative about Christianity. It's like the Left gives religious zealots a pass as long as they're not white. Go figure.
There's NO NEED to "BRAND YOU" anything HONEY... You most DEFINITELY ARE A BIGOT... a RABID ATHEIST is JUST AS SICKENING as a RABID CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM/ETC... now go BACK to your HOLIER THAN THOU BRIDGE you stinking TROLL!!!
Alhamdullilah... I am a Muslim. =-}
+++ Jason http://www.youtube.com/user/HaligonianType1
Wow. *looks at the flamethread* Nice derail, there.
Nah, I don't think this show will really "turn back" any tides of Islamophobia. Americans are stubborn: they'll think what they want right now. However, I might try watching it out of curiosity.
Are they only centering on an Arab family, or are they gonna focus on some South Asians and other families, too?
EDIT: Tell me what you think of this article.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mmw/2011/11/all-american-muslim-a-preview /
This is the Happy House
We're happy here, in the Happy House...
Looking at all the hate here makes me very happy that I reverted to atheism.
shareMeh. Atheists can sound kinda silly when it comes to Islam, too, (all of that "free speech" garbage they sometimes spout is just an excuse to make bad, unfunny, uncreative, stereotypical, offensive jokes about the religion in the US, at least) but not nearly as bad as Christians. (I'm an atheist, myself.)
I've convinced myself long ago that all of the "Muslims want to conquer the world" talk is just Christians trying to reassure themselves that they still dominate everything, as if Christians, with their @!*$#&-up history of imperialism, white supremacy, and forced conversion upon pain of death, have any room to talk. They're both as bad as one and the other: Islam just looks less open to freedom right now because too many of their countries are run by reactionary, tyrannical crackpots reacting to a collective siege mentality from the West. With the Arab Spring, everyone sees all along that many Muslims have wanted freedom and self-determination as much as anyone. Probably within a decade or two, these pro-theocracy political parties/movements will lose their grip, and everyone will lighten up. Here's hoping, anyways...
This is the Happy House
We're happy here, in the Happy House...
Preach it, Golby260!
I'm not an Atheist as Atheism is a religion unto itself.
Oh yeah, millions of people got nothing better to do than watch this crap....LOL....good luck with that buddy. Keep treating your women like cattle Mr. Muslim, or sorry forgot you probably treat livestock better.
shareI agree! I myself live in New York and a lot of people been giving Muslims and Arabs a very hard time since 9/11. When America was attacked, a lot of Arab-owned businesses closed and even one near me got robbed! Myself and my family treat them like the human beings they are! I wish society can meet the Muslims that live/work here! They are such nice people! Terrorism brought down the World Trade Center, not Islam! So leave them alone! They're not bothering you! Thanks for posting!
shareJust watched it with my family, I mean really that girl with tattoos all over her and having a 10 year old kid and they're gonna ask another man to convert cause their daughter is "Muslim" or that blonde that looked like she was going to a night club every outfit her wore? Half are crappy examples of Muslims/Americans.
shareYou're probably really going to go off on me for saying this, but...it is a fact, that simply being born and/or raised in the US, Muslim or non-Muslim, does NOT automatically make a person a good, law abiding, patriotic American citizen.
Look at the facts, Anwar al-Awlaki was born and raised a Muslim in the US, and we all know he became a very important Al-Qaeda leader in Yemen. There's that Anglo-American guy, I think his first name was Adam, who converted to Islam, went to the Middle East and joined Al-Qaeda, they nicknamed him "The American". John Walker Lindh was also an Anglo-American who converted, went to Afghanistan and was subsequently captured there a couple of months after 9/11 for fighting with the Taliban.
And it has been known for quite some time that Al-Qaeda has changed their tactics by trying to recruit American citizens via the internet to be terrorists.
"That mans' nuts!!! Grab 'em!"
You're probably going to go off on me for saying this, but...it is a fact, that simply because a person is born in the US, Muslim or otherwise, doesn't automatically make them a good, law abiding, patriotic American citizen.Never said that. But the majority of people in any given country or region are decent people. I couldn't care less about them being "patriotic", though; I don't like the concept of patriotism myself. You can be a good and decent person without being "patriotic". Though i'm sure the majority are anyway.
I know you didn't say that. Too many reality shows on TLC are idiotic and sensationalistic, like, Sisterwives. I just wanted to express my viewpoint of the premise of A-AM.
"That mans' nuts!!! Grab 'em!"