why does it seem like Islam is a Man's religion - All-American Muslim (2011) Discussion

[–] skoolgurl_13 12 years ago

Women and men in Islam are both required to dress modestly, practice good manners and perform prayers. Just because some individuals don't practise this please don't take that as representing all muslims.
BTW what do you mean by: it's okay for men to do thing's women can't it's almost like if you're a female you are to have no persona. What things?

And where did you get this idea:it's okay for men to do thing's women can't it's almost like if you're a female you are to have no persona. Who the hell said that?

It seems like your just making allegations about something that your not well versed on.

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[–] Parawhore4 12 years ago

It's okay for a Man not to cover his body and go out in public with out wrapping himself up? is basically what I was stating why is their a double standard here?

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[–] Snugglygirl 12 years ago

1. There are Muslim men who do cover up. I've seen plenty here in Turkey with their religious hats and robe-like outfits (I am not talking about the Imams).

2. Men can have more than one wife but there are RULES and REGULATIONS that governs WHY a man can have 4 wives and HOW a man is suppose to treat his wives.
He must treat them all the same. A man can marry 4 wives to protect them during the time of war (like in Afghanistan where women without a husband is often targeted by bad men and terrorists). If his wife is ill or sick (like in a coma or something)., ETC.

HOWEVER, a Muslim woman can state in her marriage contract (yep, Muslims do have marriage contracts) that her husband isn't allowed to have a second wife. If he does take one she can say what would happen (divorce, etc.).

Most Muslim men will tell you that dealing with one wife and one set of in-laws is enough for them. And having FOUR wives would only lead to jealousy among the women (not many men Muslim want to deal with that).

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Women must wear several layers of black clothing and a black veil.
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Where in the Quran does it say women MUST wear several layers of black clothing. You sound like my mom (I converted to Islam). No women do NOT have to wear Black or layers of clothing according to Islam. HOWEVER, according to COUNTRY'S laws (like Saudi Arabia) it is such.

Muslim women are allowed to wear whatever colors they want. They can decide if they want to cover or not. In the Quran it does not say "oh women should wear hijab, Burqas, niqabs). If you weren't so ignorant and lazy, you can clearly see each culture have their own way of interpreting Islam.

I live in Turkey with my Turkish husband. MAJORITY of the women do not cover up. Those who do wear clothing of various colors and fabric (pinks, blues, silks, cottons, etc.). I've NEVER seen a sweaty covered Muslim woman in Turkey. I, on the other hand, do not cover and I swear I sweat an ocean during the summers here. I literally have to change my clothes 3 or more times per day due to sweating so much.

There are men here who do wear robe-like clothing (and no they aren't Imams) with the religious hat (can't remember what they are called).

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And women in predominantly Muslim countries suffer a great deal of oppression
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Not the women in Turkey (unless you count the hijab ban Turkey's government had in place a few years ago where women who wore hijab couldn't go to universities or enter government buildings. They had to take their scarves off in order to enter). Turkey even had a Prime Minister who was a woman.

Furthermore, change happens slowly. Wasn't that long ago when women in the US couldn't vote or was treated like property rather than human beings. Give it time. The Muslim nations are waking up and want change. Getting rid of the religious nuts isn't as easy as picking up a gun and shooting it.

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[–] ifembot 12 years ago

oh dont play that naive bull. Men can marry jew/christians but women can't. once a girl hits puberty she gets a hijab, niqab and is pressured to cover up a man is not. Men can marry 4 wives women can't. I could go on Islamic religion is sexist.

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[–] Kutanamar 12 years ago

The answer is simple. The Abrahamic religions are based on STORIES written by MEN. Of course they would favor men. Think about it: God's a man, he set a son to save us. Most of the key figures are men. They are just stories and mythology. No more true that Greek & Roman mythology.

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[–] lastlooklove 12 years ago

I'm a Muslim girl and I have never worn a niqab in public for the simple reason (contrary to what people think) it's not required in Islam. Both Muslim men and women are required to be modestly dressed which I do. I've never wear tight clothes, sleeveless clothes, etc, but I still dress like a normal girl. Islam has never been a sexist religion. More than a billion people practice Islam and I don't think any woman would practice it if it's really sexist.

At so many jobs in North America, all the men are required to wear three-piece suits and ties and long sleeved shirts. But many of the women are encouraged to prance around in short skirts with bare arms and make-up smeared on their faces.

So how is our culture so different in the required dress standards of men and women? North American men want women in less clothes and Muslim men want women to be more modest than men. I think it is the West that is more sexist and sexually obsessed with half-naked women parading around for the pleasure of men.

Why should one people tell another people how to dress? The West demands that women wear pancake make-up, have surgery on their breasts and hips, tease their hair up to ridiculous heights, and expose as much of their limbs as possible. At least Islamic peoples don't ostracize women who refuse to doll up like sluts.

I don't like any religion who puts women at a mans feet which I why I can never think of leaving Islam since my religion doesn't encourage that. I don't know how anyone can't like Islam since it gives women and men equal rights. Who would know this better? A non-Muslim who thinks he/she knows everything or a Muslim girl HERSELF? If Islam was so evil or hates women...why don't the women in Islam convert?! Oh and don't give me "if they do, then they'll get killed." What about all the Muslim women in non-Muslim countries? From what I heard at least 200,000 women in America have converted to Islam after 9/11! How could they convert to a religion that is sooooo 'sexist' ?! PLEASE! I lived in America my whole life so I can convert or become athiest IF my religion was sexist since I am all for womens rights, but Islam gives so many rights it's not even funny. Just because you see some sick men beating their wives, THEIR RELIGION IS NOT TO BE BLAMED. There are so many mistranslated Qurans written by no other than Muslim haters so there are lots of wrong translations. I have full knowledge of Islam and I can tell you Islam was the first religion to come up with divorce. If a woman isn't happy she can leave her husband. So what's the hate for Islam? Nobody has a reason to hate it! The government in some Muslim countries need improvement, but the religion should never ever be blamed.

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[–] zombiehax 12 years ago

So how is our culture so different in the required dress standards of men and women? North American men want women in less clothes and Muslim men want women to be more modest than men. I think it is the West that is more sexist and sexually obsessed with half-naked women parading around for the pleasure of men.

Why should one people tell another people how to dress? The West demands that women wear pancake make-up, have surgery on their breasts and hips, tease their hair up to ridiculous heights, and expose as much of their limbs as possible. At least Islamic peoples don't ostracize women who refuse to doll up like sluts.

The difference is American women can wear whatever they want and go home happy.

If Islamic women wear whatever they want they go home dead.

Big difference.

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[–] RubyHypatia 12 years ago

I don't wear caked on make-up, never had cosmetic surgery, and neither do I have big hair. The West does not demand I have these. When Western women have these, it's because they want to be sexy. NEWSFLASH: women have been enhancing their beauty since the beginning of humanity. This has made some men very uncomfortable, so they use their religion to control women's sexuality. Islam is very sexist! And women in predominantly Muslim countries suffer a great deal of oppression. In the West men and women are equal. Why don't Muslim women leave their religion? It's their parents' religion. Turning their backs on Islam would be like turning their backs on their parents. They were conditioned from birth to believe it. Also, they probably fear Muslim hell. Yeah sure 200,000 women in America converted to Islam since 9/11. Some may have, but they're idiots for doing so. Or maybe they just have low self-esteem.

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[–] lastlooklove 12 years ago

If Islamic women wear whatever they want they go home dead.

How come I'm not dead then? You should visit a Muslim country sometime. Go to Malaysia, the UAE, Kuwait, Turkey, Oman, Lebanon (just to name a few). There are Muslim and non-Muslim women who dress no differently than women in America. How come none of them died? In fact, Kim Kardashian was in Dubai recently and wore skirts throughout her trip. Nobody came out to kill her. Islam is not sexist. Those stupid backward cultural thinking idiots are sexist.

You're confusing tradition and culture with Islam. I challenge you to find where it's written in the Quran that women should never drive, vote, or be educated. For example, the constitution says that everybody's equal, yet in the early history of America, women couldn't vote, couldn’t work, had to stay at home while their husbands worked, didn’t have a voice, didn’t have the same rights/equal opportunities as men, slavery existed etc. The old Americans were just carrying on their tradition until the law abolished all of that. The same thing happens in some Muslim countries. IT’S ALL TRADITION.

And women in predominantly Muslim countries suffer a great deal of oppression

And how does Islam have anything to do with that? It's a sexist culture. Not sexist religion. Do I need to even tell you what life was before Islam existed? The Arab world was sexist even then. You can't blame religion for everything. Islam is also 100% against forced marriages, but it still happens in villages due to CULTURE. When the Taliban ruled Afghanistan, women were forced to cover their faces. In Islam, that's considered a sin. Please separate Islamic rules and government rules completely from each other because there is no connection. In almost all Muslim countries women are allowed to drive and they can go to the university. It is not illegal for women to learn and go to the college. The only Muslim country where women can’t drive is Saudi Arabia and even that will change in a few years. That also has to do with a cultural reason, not religious one.

LOL sweet heart, I've been living here my whole life! I would say women in America have more rights than women in Saudi Arabia....but till this day, women in America still face discrimination and are still paid less than men—even with similar education, skills and experience. Is that fair to you? It’s more common to see female nudity in Hollywood movies, but rarely do we see male nudity. Why? You don’t find that sexist? I’ll always find most men in America more sexist than most Muslim men. After all, men over here are obsessed with pornography. Go take a look at almost every actress’ board on imdb and you’ll see men asking “has she ever gone nude?” or “when will she ever get nude?” Oh yeah, but that’s acceptable to you

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[–] RubyHypatia 12 years ago

There's obviously a difference between moderate Islam and fundie Islam, just like there is a difference between the Christianity that led to people burning at the stake and Christianity that is peaceful.

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[–] LilPlumley 12 years ago

How come I'm not dead then?

That smiley is a disgrace to woman who actually were murdered because they wanted to emancipate themselves from their families. Don't freaking act like there was no such thing as an honor killing. I live in Germany and there are honor killings here all the time. The victims are always Muslims! Because no other religion has such a sick understanding of family honor. It may not be written in the Qur'an, as it doesn't say women should dress in a certain way. It doesn't matter because actions speak louder than words. Whether you look at women who wear a niqab, girls who aren't allowed to learn how to swim in school, girls who aren't allowed to date - they're Muslims. Don't talk about traditions. The muslim women I know come from various countries, even from different continents. The one thing they have in common is the religion.
And if you need written words, look at some hadiths.
Nobody said Islam treated every single woman in the world badly. It's a considerable amount of women.
If I were you I'd be damn glad my family was different.

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[–] rfa_93 12 years ago

I absolutely agree with you! I loved your comment so much that I had to say that, haha.

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[–] CoyDog 9 years ago

There are many things men can do that woman can't do. Men are allowed to beat disobedient wives. They're allowed to marry non-Muslims, women are not. Etc. Etc.

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[–] zia_aiz 9 years ago

Muslim men are only allowed to marry Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Scholars in recent times say that Muslim women are also allowed to marry Christians and Jews.

Wife beating anytime and for any reason is never allowed in Islam. It is only seen in anti-Islamic sites. This is seen on anti-Islamic sites:

"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

This is the true meaning word-to-word...

[The] men (are) protectors of the women because Allah (has) bestowed some of them over others and because they spend from their wealth. So the righteous women (are) obedient, guarding in the unseen that which Allah (orders) them to guard. And those (from) whom you fear their ill-conduct then advise them, and forsake them in the bed and set forth to Then if they obey you then (do) not seek against them a way. Indeed, Allah is Most High, Most Great.

The Arabic word used in Noble Verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba" which means "beat". The issue with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English.

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[–] RubyHypatia 12 years ago

The Abrahamic religions are men's religions. They've always been about controlling women, particularly their sexuality.

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[–] Parawhore4 12 years ago

Why would anyone want to be controlled though why would someone want to be seen as less then a man. Like I just completely disagree with that.

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[–] mrsd81 12 years ago

Muslim men do not have to wear heavy layers of black in sweltering heat. They can wear light weight and light colored clothing when it's 120 degrees. Women must wear several layers of black clothing and a black veil.

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[–] jac91604 12 years ago

Muslim men where whatever they want, why is that so hard to admit? The men rule the roost.

Just saw a clip of this show and the boys were in shorts and sleeveless shirts and the girl was all covered up.

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[–] StarrySkyWaltz 12 years ago

^^Bingo

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[–] ifembot 12 years ago

Right? That fat guy that is the brother of the fat girl shadiya was saying something about covering up or modesty and he's in t *beep* and shorts. What bull women put themselves through.

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[–] ztlfire 12 years ago

All religions are male based - you men are just pigs by nature.

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[–] RubyHypatia 12 years ago

LOL! Not all men are pigs. But yeah, men have used religion to give themselves all the advantages while keeping women in a place.

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[–] lastlooklove 12 years ago

LilPlumley:-

It may not be written in the Qur'an, as it doesn't say women should dress in a certain way. It doesn't matter because actions speak louder than words.

You're answering your own questions. You know perfectly well that it doesn't say this anywhere in the Quran yet you are still criticizing Islam.

Whether you look at women who wear a niqab, girls who aren't allowed to learn how to swim in school, girls who aren't allowed to date - they're Muslims. Don't talk about traditions.

Women are allowed to swim. Obviously, we cannot wear revealing swimsuits (just like most religions), but we can swim. Every woman I know knows how to swim.

What's wrong in not dating? There are some that date and some that don’t. Lots of Muslim women don't believe in dating because it never lasts. Most men use women anyway. Why would I ever want to be disrespected like that? I personally don't believe in dating. I always wanted to be a one-man woman. This is a part of my moral values. For me, if I enter a relationship I want it to last & culminate into marriage. I am not the sort of person to jump in and out of relationships. For me, it is sacred. That has always been my view on it. Unless & unfortunately when I get into a relationship and something goes wrong.

The muslim women I know come from various countries, even from different continents. The one thing they have in common is the religion.

Yes, the Muslim women you know. It’s clear you don’t know many of them and I know a lot more Muslim women than you. Not all Muslim women are the same. Some date, some marry non-Muslims (who eventually convert), and some don’t wear a niqaab or hijab. I don’t wear either of them. Even the Kardashians share the same religion. What’s your point? Lol that’s a very biased statement coming from you.

And if you need written words, look at some hadiths.

Don't get me started on that. I have and never will follow any of the Hadiths. Do you even know what the Hadiths are? It's commentaries of the Prophet (pbuh). So basically, it's like “this is what the Prophet (pbuh said because I heard him say so). You can see that after many years how things can get twisted and how unreliable it can be which is why I only go by the Quran...and no not the mistranslated Quran which you’ll find on the internet, but the authentic one that I have. Btw, since you think the Hadith is accurate, there are also verses about how forced marriages and killing (which can also be applied to honor killing) is bad. Honor killings happened before Islam existed. Honor killings go way back to 1200 BC. It's every easy for you to blame Islam now if an honor killing happens (even though there is no connection and that's wrong/unfair), but what do you have to blame when honor killings happened back then?

Nobody said Islam treated every single woman in the world badly. It's a considerable amount of women.

Again, I know much more Muslim women than you. Having said that, it’s the other way around.

If I were you I'd be damn glad my family was different.

What’s that supposed to mean?

Sadly, honor killing happens in every society. Yes, it’s more common to hear that it coming from Muslim societies from the media, but it doesn’t mean it’s not uncommon in other societies. Google Du'a Khalil Aswad and no she’s not a Muslim. It just goes to show you that the culture is sexist and barbaric. NOT ISLAM. I don't know what it will take for you people to finally get this through your heads.

Islam is against forced marriage and honor killings…whether it’s refusing to marry someone the family picks, running away to get married, or trying to divorce an abusive spouse. I have no answer to how some non-practicing Muslims act like they are living in the 10th century because I’m not one of them. Even according to the Sharia law, marriage cannot & SHOULD NOT be forced. My family will never force me to get married...in fact, they are fine if I decide to never get married! But I completely believe in the intuition of marriage. Again, MY CHOICE. It's all completely up to me and that's the true Islamic right that I have.

I am aware that there are some Muslims who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat, steal etc. but the media projects this as though only Muslims are involved in such activities. There are black sheep in every community. I know some Muslims who are alcoholics and who can drink most of the non-Muslims under the table (even though Islam prohibits alcohol). I don’t know a single Muslim who has participated in an Honor killing or has been killed because she was forced to get married/wanted to get a divorce, but it goes the same way. I think that people in the West forget how recent the feminist movement here is - less than 100 years ago women in Europe and America were expected to cover themselves just as extensively as most Arabic women. Just because our culture has made this dramatic change, doesn't give us the right to look down at another culture for holding onto their own heritage. I have several female Muslim friends, who are educated, hold good jobs, are equals in their marriages and choose whether to wear the Hijab or not (YES BY CHOICE). So for those that are getting angry for women who wear the hijab yet their husbands roam around in shorts and sleeveless clothes….the women are wear the hijab because they simply want to. One of my friends told me that she likes it because she can then be treated like an equal, not a sexual object. Almost all of the women in my office wear trouser suits everyday for the same reason - so that our clothing doesn't distract from our professionalism.

One of the reasons I would never disown my religion is BECAUSE the religion treats its women with honor. At the time Islam came non Muslim women weren't allowed to participate in government, to inherit property, to be assured money in case of divorce, to own a business, TO BE EDUCATED! Yet Islam offered its women these rights in the Quran so NO MAN CAN TAKE IT AWAY FROM US! Now the monarchies in the Arab countries have allowed misogynist to enforce rules that are sometimes unislamic. BTW, not ALL Muslim countries treat their women bad! It’s just Saudi, Iran, Iraq [but it’s getting better] & Afghanistan (I don’t know the current condition). Yes there are women within the population who are treated badly BY THEIR FAMILIES! It has absolutely nothing to do with the religion. Learn to tell the difference.

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[–] anmcgee 12 years ago

If you know sooooo much about the Koran, why won't you admit that it IS sexist? It's true that it doesn't say some of the stuff people are claiming, but you and I both know that it's really nasty about women. There are so many examples, you know there are. Please don't lie.

If you want to be part of a religion where you are a second class citizen and you enter into it with your eyes open, then fine. However don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. Admit what it is and stop trying to give it a pretty face. It's a nasty cult that hates women.

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[–] lastlooklove 12 years ago

If you know sooooo much about the Koran, why won't you admit that it IS sexist?

Why should I when it's NOT? Who is the Muslim? You or me? Who would know better? You or me? It's really annoying when we, Muslims answer your questions, but you still try to tell us who we are as if you know better. It's clear that you don't.

There are many Qurans and Hadiths with the wrong translations. Especially when you translate a language like Arabic to English...there are many words that get lost in translation. For example, some people think Islam supports wife-beating. Surah 4:34 does NOT say to beat women. It says to leave them (i.e. divorce them if the problem cannot be solved).

A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Messenger of God! Who among the people is the most worthy of my good companionship? The Prophet said: Your mother. The man said, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your mother. The man further asked, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your mother. The man asked again, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your father.

Ponder over that.

You can keep pulling out your wrong translations and I'll keep proving you wrong with the true, authentic verses. You won't ever win.

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[–] anmcgee 12 years ago

I see. You've been brainwashed, like all good muslim girls.

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[–] Liker_of_things 12 years ago

Its ridiculous that so many Muslim women let themselves exist on such unequal footing to men. Another reason to dislike the religion, inherent sexism.

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[–] RubyHypatia 12 years ago

There's a reason that the worst place to be a woman is in a Muslim country. It's the religion. It was designed to keep men dominant and women submissive.

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[–] lastlooklove 12 years ago

I see. You've been brainwashed, like all good muslim girls.

You're brainwashed. No matter how verses I pull out or how many times I prove you wrong, you'll continue to think Islam is sexist. Looks like you have a trouble comprehending things and that you're too stupid to be enrolled in a special education school. That's really sad. I feel sorry for you.

Its ridiculous that so many Muslim women let themselves exist on such unequal footing to men. Another reason to dislike the religion, inherent sexism.

Again, WHAT IS SEXIST IN ISLAM?

There's a reason that the worst place to be a woman is in a Muslim country. It's the religion. It was designed to keep men dominant and women submissive.

Lol I wonder how is it that all the females in my family who live in Saudi Arabia are all doctors, are happy there, and are treated well by their husbands. There are many countries were Muslim women are treated well. Domestic abuse happens everywhere, even in America (with all the rights in the world). I don't see anyone blaming the religion for it.

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[–] RubyHypatia 12 years ago

Sure, your female relatives are happy in Saudi Arabia. Who wouldn't want to live in a society with gender segregation? Where religious police patrol the streets to discourage the mingling of the sexes? And make sure women are sufficiently covered and don't drive cars. <rolling eyes> Your female relatives can only treat women, right? They're not allowed to treat men, nor can women be treated by men. Am I right? All this BS is the result of mixing religion with government. And it sucks! Saudi Arabia is a horrid place for women!

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[–] lastlooklove 12 years ago

Saudi Arabia needs to work on a lot of things, but believe it or not there are lots of women that are treated probably even better than women in America by their husbands. I can't speak for all women in Saudi Arabia, but in my family, it's the women who have the pants in the family. Not their husbands. There are women that drive in the outskirts of the city. How is it that all women in Muslim countries drive except Saudi Arabia? It's a cultural thing. The King of Saudi Arabia said that women will soon be allowed to drive, the main problem there is culture.

Btw, I even asked a few years ago why can't women drive to my relatives. They said there was a poll for that. There was a very large # of women that aren't interested to drive and there was a small # of women that are interested to drive. Millions of women there love having the luxury of someone else to drive for them. One of my cousins said whenever she goes for work, it's convenient for her driver to drop her off right in the front of her office instead of worrying about the parking. Regardless, women will still learn how to drive soon. These things don't happen overnight. Do you even follow the news? Women in Saudi Arabia can vote now. It wasn't that long ago when women could vote in America. Once again, these things take time and do not happen overnight.

Your female relatives can only treat women, right? They're not allowed to treat men, nor can women be treated by men. Am I right?

I've actually never asked them this, but I would never be comfortable with a man treating me. What's wrong in that? There are lots of non-Muslims who also don't feel comfortable with male doctors looking at them. How stupid of you to judge others if they don't want to be treated by men. They make a lot of money and probably much more than you.

All this BS is the result of mixing religion with government.

It's mixing culture with government.

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[–] Liker_of_things 12 years ago

If you really are Persian then I'm even more embarrassed for my race than normal.

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[–] lastlooklove 12 years ago

No, I'm not Persian. LoL, it seems like a lot of Iranians are embarassed by their race. I never understood why. Again, please don't list a bunch of nonsense that doesn't even exist in Islam.

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[–] Liker_of_things 12 years ago

Well we let a barbarous, backwards desert race invade us and hijack our culture, religion and language. And we've never recovered. Its pretty sad. Better Persian than Arab though.

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[–] lastlooklove 12 years ago

Hahahaha typical thing for an Iranian to say!

This sort of thing has happened to many places in the world. Do you think the Native Americans were Christians all this time before it got invaded? They were forced to convert! There are many situations like this across the world. I'm against forced conversion, but why hate Islam for it? It's very easy to put your anger out on Islam, but don't do it. Hate your government for it.

Muslims are backward? Hahaha, you can be really cute at times. We're the ones who made some of the most beautiful architecture in the WORLD. Do you even know what one of the 7 world wonders are? That was created by a Muslim! The first thing that pops up when people think of India is the Taj Mahal. They never think of temples or anything related to Hinduism. We invented algebra, surgery, coffee, calligraphy, acupuncture (no the Chinese never invented this), astronomy, geometry, and the modern numerical system (just to name a few). Not the Greeks, but Muslims! Our inventions have changed the world. We have contributed to the world in a positive way much more than you think.

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[–] Liker_of_things 12 years ago

I don't hate Islam because it ruined Iran, I dislike Islam because its a terrible religion/belief process and totally counter-productive to the progression of a forward-looking and peaceful society,

Also I never said Muslims were backward, I said the Arabs that stormed out of Arabia were backwards. And FYI, the only official "7 wonders" list is the 7 ancient wonders.
Regarding advancement made under Islamic empires...yeah so what? You think if the Arabs had stayed in the peninsula with their religion and hadn't carved out a huge empire absorbing the libraries and knowledge of the Greeks and Persians that they'd have done all this? And besides, its not like I'm saying Muslims are incapable of doing anything great, I'm not anti-Muslim, just anti-Islam.

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[–] RubyHypatia 12 years ago

Generally speaking, women in the Middle East aren't treated as well as those in the West.

In America, women have had the right to vote for almost 100 years, so it's hard to be impressed with women just now getting the right to vote in Saudi Arabia. When they get the right to drive, I bet interest in driving will sky rocket.

It's one thing to want to have a doctor who is the same gender as you. It's quite another for the government to force gender segregation so much that only men can treat men and women treat women.

Again, the BS that is gender segregation in Saudi Arabia is the result of theocracy. It is religious police who enforce this segregation after all.

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[–] anmcgee 12 years ago

The fact that you try to explain away things like women being forbidden from driving under penalty of LAW PROVES that you are brainwashed.

And, please. I'm the stupid one here? Who is defending misogyny? That's right, you. NOT me.

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[–] lastlooklove 12 years ago

The fact that you try to explain away things like women being forbidden from driving under penalty of LAW PROVES that you are brainwashed.

How so? I said that most women aren't interested in driving in Saudi Arabia because they love the luxury of having a driver drive for them. How does that make me brainwashed? REGARDLESS, women will be granted to drive. Women can now vote in Saudi Arabia so soon women will still learn how to drive even though there are so many that have no interest. As I said, these things don't happen overnight. It wasn't too long ago where women weren't allowed to vote in America, right?

lol where did I say I'm defending misogyny? I'm saying how it's not a part of Islam. Do you know how to read? Like I said, you're really dumb and too stupid to be enrolled in special education....or any education.

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[–] phil97012 12 years ago

So just because you're a muslim, you'll know better? What about those ex-muslim who have been muslim their whole life until they change their believe? There are plenty of them and I am one of them. I was a practicing muslim for 20+ years..

Why don't you stop showing only the good verse, or reading just the good verse.
Why don't you stop rationalizing every bad verse (saying that it's taken out of context), and take a responsibility for what it actually means.
Scared that god will burn you in hell for doubting Quran and Muhammad? Then that defines you as a coward, doesn't it..

There are many verses that are bad, about jihad, stoning, killing, hell..
Don't lie about it..

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[–] aamirabbas 12 years ago

Ideally the guy should cover up as well. However its not as big a deal as you are making it out to be.

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[–] mrcooldude10 12 years ago

Man...I don't know whether to laugh at or be saddened by this thread. People come in and are like "ISLAM IS A VIOLENT AND SEXIST RELIGION" and someone takes the time to point out why its not and the replies are all like "YOU LIE YOU ARE MISERABLE AND YOU KNOW IT". More proof is thrown at them and its the same sh*t.

I'm not the biggest fan of religion in general, I left Islam afterall. But if you have issues with something, you should approach it with an open mind and take the opportunity to learn more about it.

When you close yourself off to any criticism of your beliefs, you are the one who is being ignorant.

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[–] RubyHypatia 12 years ago

Islam is a violent and sexist religion. I'm reminded of debating Christians and pointing out the witch burnings during the Dark Ages, and they tried to blame them on the secular governments. Sure the witch burnings had nothing to do with Christianity.
<rolling eyes>

Let's face it, RELIGION SUCKS!!!

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[–] mrcooldude10 12 years ago

Islam is a religion. It is no more or less violent and sexist than any of the major ones.

Also I don't blame them, if your whole argument was how it is now ie..just repeating that it is violent and sexist over and over again without adding anything more to the debate.

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[–] RubyHypatia 12 years ago

Look at Islamic theocratic countries. Yep, they tend to be sexist. And 3,000 innocent civilians murdered in the name of Islam tells me that the religion is violent. I'll say the same thing about Christianity mostly in centuries past. Countless people died in the name of that religion also. I'm not saying all Muslims engage in or support violence, most do no. But too many do.

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[–] ztlfire 12 years ago

6000 Americans die every year because of gun shots and those are just the collateral ones, not the accidental just those caught in cross fire, 2400 Americans die of gun fights and gang related affairs - all in no name or reason other than pure intent to kill over territory and drugs. By your terminology that means America is a violent, unforgiving and an unlivable place.

And yet how many Americans are there in the country as a whole? Do those deaths define the country? NO. Because there is so much more to the US and so much more that's better - but when you look at it with nothing but maliciousness and negativity; of course all you're going to be seeing is the ugly side to America.

You're passing judgment solely upon its cover. Stop it.

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[–] RubyHypatia 12 years ago

If religion is supposed to be so wonderful, why would there ever have been inquisitions, crusades, or 9/11? These atrocities show that we'd be better off without religion.

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[–] mrcooldude10 12 years ago

It's the same argument as if we didn't have knives, people who have gotten stabbed wouldn't have died. Blame people, not religion. For some people religion makes life easier and happier. Why take that away from them?

If someone who uses their religion to justify killing/oppressing people, chances are that even if they weren't part of that religion, they would still lack the empathy to have been a completely different person.

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[–] RubyHypatia 12 years ago

Do you think we'd have had all those witch burnings in the Dark Ages if it weren't for religion, Christianity? I understand that without religion we'd still have atrocities, but religion tends to encourage them.

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