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Annie and Corky

posted 11 years ago by japonaliya
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OK, so as long as the whereabouts of Kevin's wife was a mystery, I could see Kevin not wanting any other meaningful relationships. But now that he knows she killed their child, and the relationship (as I see it, is doomed) Can anyone see a blossoming romance between Annie and Kevin?

Now before you all get up in arms about Annie being a "child", please remember that we are in the mid-1860's here. Annie, though at times looks like 10, could be as old as 13 or 14, it is hard to tell, and no mention of her actual age is given.
In the 19th c. only in the upper classes did girls wait until 16-18 to get married. In the lower classes 13-14 was a quite common age to marry.
Needless to say.... the question of a "child's innocence" is not in play here as Annie is an "adult" when it comes to carnal knowledge. Annie loves, or at least has a crush on Kevin. they are both terribly wounded souls and would be good for each other.

I do know that as of now (in the series) Annie is a reminder, and a replacement in Kevin's mind of his murdered daughter, but over time things can change...
It is obvious that Annie is not one to be turned back into an innocent child again, even with the trappings of wealth and high-society, so unless Kevin gives her the love and attention she so desperately needs, she is doomed..

Personally, I think that this idea would be too risque for even 21st c. TV, but if Kevin could convince Annie not to think of him as a lover, but as a father figure, maybe that would be an appropriate answer??

[–] bookskds 11 years ago

Can anyone see a blossoming romance between Annie and Kevin?

No. Just no.

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I said I'd feed you...I didn't say who to.

[–] joegerardi-1 11 years ago

Not only would it be too risque, it would be illegal. Child pornography laws include the implication of sex, so they couldn't even show the two of them in bed together.

So, while we know it has happened to her, it can't ever be alluded to in other than passing.

..Joe

[–] ixusillwrath 11 years ago

Those laws vary from country to country IE having to film naked baby superman in Canada to bypass the extremely strict US laws regarding child nudity. This show is shot in Canada.

As far as implied sex? Clearly you've never seen 'Hound Dog'.

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[–] Tuppance76 11 years ago

I do not want to see a romantic relationshp between Annie & Kevin, EVER.

He views her as a surrogate daughter.
The end.

I peronally don't want to watch another season of her seeking more of a relationship, beyond that. I'd like to see her interact with children her own age.

[–] Zanza8 11 years ago

What Tuppance said.

http://thinkingoutloud-descartes.blogspot.com/

[–] sarah-103 11 years ago

Any sort of physical romantic relationship would be creepy and wrong. Every time Annie offered herself to Corky that way, he turned her down very quickly. I could see him adopting her and having a father/daughter relationship, but I'm not sure how that would work, with him being away all hours for his job.

"Forget reality, give me a picture"-Remington Steele

[–] TeOfLeDiKi 11 years ago

I actually thought the creepy part was Annie herself. I also found Corky's reactions to her to be a little disingenuous, like all he could see was her innocence. There were parts of Annie's character that just seemed irredeemable, and, child or not, she might not have been saveable.

I never really quite got that whole living-on-a-farm bit. When did that happen, and how?

neat . . . sweet . . . petite

[–] bagpiper-onnen 11 years ago

No. Never.

And I don't think Kevin and his wife's relationship is doomed.

[–] aoa8212 11 years ago

Annie looks like an older version of Kevin's dead daughter. Even Kevin's wife thought Annie was their daughter when she came to the kitchen and saw her. Yes, the age of consent and marriage was much lower back then and it was acceptable for a man to take a child bride in certain circles and under the law, but even back then, most men didn't do it. And of course, the show is skewed by having to appeal to modern audiences who have a societal, legal, and social taboo against it, so there's no way that the main character would get involved with a minor, especially one that young and who is a daughter figure for him. So far, all of the characters who've "been" with Annie have been killed, and that isn't by accident.

[–] Icthus381376 10 years ago

Everybody who has "been" with Annie has been killed? What about Robert who was too drunk to remember her when she came to him in the bordello? She remembered him and tried to refresh his memory when they danced together.

[–] Top_Shelf 9 years ago

She was also prone to lying. I don't remember them in a scene together at the whorehouse; were they ever?

[–] Sylvenger 11 years ago

I truly hope the O/P was joking. Corky would never enetertain the idea of being with her, much as she might want it. She is a child to him, who at first was a substitute for his lost daughter. This show would lose viewers in droves if it ever "went there". Myself included.

If given the choice to be the shepherd or the sheep... be the wolf.

[–] cat_fitz 11 years ago

Just making my way through season 1 and she's 10, maybe 11. I find this post disgusting. No, I don't see this show doing this and it would be DOA if it did.

Ashara: http://i.imgur.com/cxv0bpL.gif?1

[–] geronamo0013 11 years ago

the ONLY way it could be dealt with in western society is if it were a plutonic relationship as in dates/picnics as such and maybe body language as they have been doing, ONLY if this show was in somewhere like france or parts of europe would you see any minor in that kind of scenario as there laws have not changed much in 100yrs, plus she is depicting a 10 year old it may be somewhat different if she was say 14 or 15 as some countries today have that age as consentual under the law but the fact she plays a 10-11 year old and looks it, no movie or tv show coming out of any country like the US/canada would be allowed to even hint at sexual scenarios today the censorship is very tight and for reason.

but I believe they could act married and allow the viewers to believe something is happening but we could never see or hear it being said as it just wouldnt be on air very long most people today are very taboo about those kind of things and the general public are very particular on their views.

I myself have seen alot of International Art films which depict such scenes as art and culture as said In france/germany and the likes as they have ALWAYS been very open to the idea of sexuality being for everyone, just ask anyone who has been to a nudist beach in any european country, EVERYBODY is nude no matter what age or sex.

anyways as i said it would have to be dealt with very carefully and without any actual scenes between them while it is being filmed on this side of the world, even if it were common back in the 1850-1900 times for such relations to occur!

(I am student literature and film at college and have watched many movies from all parts of the world)

[–] cat_fitz 11 years ago

but I believe they could act married and allow the viewers to believe something is happening

Nope, not a chance. Like I said, DOA, except among peddy bears.

EVERYBODY is nude no matter what age or sex.

Yeah because naked children aren't viewed as sexual objects, unless you're a pedophile.

Who cares what was common back then? We're wiser now and no longer cater our culture to deviant men. WE, at least the majority of non predatory people, no longer accept such a thing just as we no longer think it's fine to rape your wife. Historically, we saw it portrayed and the non-pedophiles were revolted and hated her creepy ass "husband." Corky is the lead, the hero of this show. If they take him down the same path, the audience will have the same reaction to him as they did the "husband," at least the non-pedophiles anyway, and thus the character will be destroyed. Show over.

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[–] AArminius 10 years ago

I totally agree with you, jfitz!! The previous poster suggests that a sensual/sexual relationship between a child and adult is depicted as normal in France or Germany - which is absolutely NOT true!!!!! We are not a bunch of pedophiles, unlike anybody even suggesting there could be something going on between the two characters in question or defending this or wondering about this - honestly, I believe those people have pedophile tendencies and get off on the thought about the scenario they fantasize about. As Jfitz said: nudity doesn't equal sexuality. Please, geronamo, give me the titles of those many European movies you've watched pedophilia as acceptable cultural aspect! Maybe you've got a collection of illegal porn, otherwise I can't imagine you're right in any possible way. I think Annie is supposed to be 10 or even younger, so if you watch those movies as you described, you can't disguise it as "art", it's a perversion and you belong in jail before you go out in search for a precocious child to take advantage of and abuse.

I'm massively disgusted by this whole discussion, and as much as I love the show, I hate the Annie/Corky relationship. The writer gives me some pedophile vibes, and possibly the director as well. I wonder why make the Annie character that way anyway except for gratuitous reasons? She might have been sexually abused, but she wouldn't need to become a sexual child-beast because of that. The way she flirts with adult men is not necessary to drive the plot or even her own character development, since the show is not about her, and the tragedy that is her life isn't explored enough to warrant the little sexual innuendos that are thrown in here and there to see the child's sexual advances toward grown males. So seriously, why in heaven's name would the writer and the director do it? Not for the show, not for the plot, not for the shock value (because anybody who doesn't have pedophile tendencies would not exploit a child for this - as a parent I would NOT let my daughter play this part, but some either don't care or the money is just too good).

[–] cat_fitz 10 years ago

I believe those people have pedophile tendencies and get off on the thought about the scenario they fantasize about.

Yup, and it's scary how many of them are on IMDb.

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