Sappy...
Just sappy.
shareYour an idiot
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shareThe movie was missing something...i found it overall rather slow with little punch.
shareIt certainly did not have the slick punch of a Hollywood thriller. It was a simple story of a simple people facing a deadly challenge amidst the corruption and indifference that is the hallmark of Latin America. There was an element from "Salt of the Earth" sprinkled throughout this movie.
I enjoyed it. Banderas and Lou Diamond were great. Juliet was moving.
I saw the movie in a small town theater in New Mexico with a 95 per cent Chicano audience, many of them hard rock miners or ex miners. The movie clearly resonated with them.
But it didn't even go into much detail about the corruption. Perhaps it was because we all knew the outcome but i felt like it lacked any tension. It seemed to really only cover days 1, 2, 5, 15 and 69. There was a lot of time in between to cover that was just glossed over.
shareDid you expect the movie to run for two months?
Somebody mentioned the SEALS who went in before the extraction and that the movie ignored that...that is fairly egregious, I think. But was it necessary to go into the corruption angle anymore than was illustrated? I mean, if that sort of thing was a shock to the audience and something that needed to be explained deeper, then I'm afraid that society has no hope for any immediate change...
Personally, I felt as though they should have depicted the events of days 17, 29, 31, and 56, myself, but hey, that's just me.
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And this movie did no justice to the 33. Especially the parts with god and praying and all that crap. Science saved lives... not god.
dont worship creation, worship the Creator .
shareAnd just who would the creator be? Address, pictures?
shareYou may not believe in a creator. The miners did. It's their story, not yours.
shareWhere did I mention miners or their right to their story?
shareThis is a forum about The 33. If you are not relating your discussion with the movie at hand, you may be in the wrong place.
Or did you just enter a random forum just to discuss the beliefs of other people?
OK, I'll go to a forum about a movie I never watched or intend to watch and start arguing with everyone who thinks different.
Naa, that would make me a troll.
LOL! You are a typical overthinker. Also your argument is a straw man argument, and you probably don't even realize it. Besides, the post I commented on wasn't even directly related to the movie.
shareYou replied to the wrong poster, buddy.
idiot
shareYou do know that the movie is based on actual accounts from the miners?
Whether you believe in God or not it does not matter, the real miners actually relied on their faith to keep themselves alive and keep their hopes up. That is a fact, as their accounts to the journalist who wrote the book that inspired the movie talk a lot about religion.
Engineering got them out of the mine. Their faith kept them alive, not because it provided a heavenly miracle, but because it gave them a sense of hope and encouraged them to struggle through the days they were lost.
The notion of faith in people is scientifically proven to improve health and reduce stress levels.
You may not believe in a religion, but these notions actually work in cases where muslims, christians or jews have faced adversity. And this is a logical, psychological and scientific fact.
It's like doing a movie about the American Civil War eliminating the notion of racism, failing to acknowledge that Kennedy was a Roman Catholic in his many biopics.
The notion of faith in people is scientifically proven to improve health and reduce stress levels.
Sure - ignorance is bliss. Mentally disabled people may be stress free, but ignorance is no solution.
Ultimately, it was science that saved these people's lives. Whether you or these cave workers choose to believe otherwise has no bearing on the facts. share
Sorry, man. I don't want to discuss this any further. It is exhausting. This is my last response
I am not discussing the existence of God. I respect your belief or disbelief and I would appreciate you respect mine.
I can imagine a Catholic family waiting on a life threatening operation for their father, and the surgeon comes out of surgery and tells them, "the following hours will be crucial to see whether your father lives or dies". The family will probably join in prayer.
A regular doctor will leave the family on its own. A Bonsai Superstar doctor will curse the family calling them ignorants as there is no god in the first place.
Read my words. Science got the miners out of the pit. No question about that. The miners kept themselves alive and sane because they did something other than just sit in the dark, whine and starve. People rely on faith during life threatening situations.
Whether that faith is reciprocated by Jesus, Allah, Budda or whomever, is not relevant. The sense of faith boosted them psychologically and helped them endure.
This doesn't come from me, it comes from the miners' accounts and the engineers. You had families in Camp Hope who where profound catholics. You had authorities in charge of the drilling who were religious. Had they lost the sense of hope -faith if you may- they would have given up and cancelled the operation. This wasn't written up for the movie, this was a real concern.
The question or whether or not that faith was founded or unfounded is irrelevant. People worked on those set of beliefs.
You don't bear on the facts when you spend 17 days in the dark waiting to die!
the surgeon comes out of surgery and tells them, "the following hours will be crucial to see whether your father lives or dies". The family will probably join in prayer.
Studies show that praying makes no difference for recovery, provided the father doesn't know about it. But make sure he doesn't, because letting him know you pray for him can make things worse :(
To quote Wikipedia:
Major complications and thirty-day mortality occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1), 51 percent of those who did not receive it (Group 2), and 59 percent of patients who knew they would receive prayers (Group 3). Some prayed-for patients fared worse than those who did not receive prayers. In The God Delusion, evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins wrote, "It seems more probable that those patients who knew they were being prayed for suffered additional stress in consequence: 'performance anxiety', as the experimenters put it. Dr Charles Bethea, one of the researchers, said, 'It may have made them uncertain, wondering am I so sick they had to call in their prayer team?'" share
I am not discussing the recovery of the patient, I am talking about the angst and stress levels of the family!
shareAnd you're right - that can be the only coping mechanism the family knows and it can help _them_, absolutely!
On the other hand though, the guy in question should be more important and for him the knowledge can turn out harmful for some reason...
I sense a hint of irony.
And I don't understand what you're trying to point out.
Pretty serious GAMBLE you have going here. A few famous atheists WITHOUT searching for the truth yourself. The bible says THE FOOL says in his heart there is no GOD. ONE man says there is not other God and you believe him? THOUSANDS of eyewitnesses and HISTORY prove Jesus walked the earth and did uuuuummmmmmm UNHEARD of things, miracles, etc. He also did not claim being a MAGICIAN or ILLUSIONIST neither was he on television proudly promoting himself Sounds more like a GOD to me and the MEN working magic in all these spirits either HURT themselves eventually or DIE Sounds like the only FOOL anyone is being made of is you people that hate Him YES I SAID HATE because God says you hate him in His word ;)
shareUgh...shut up
shareThe problem with this you're basically talking to a wall. Not because the other guy is stubborn but because you're making random *beep* up and basing your arguments on the *beep* you just made up.
ONE man says there is not other God and you believe him?
This is the primary what I'm talking about, possibly because everything else you wrote is what some people would call word salad.
Most people who are atheist or agnostic come to the conclusions they do on their own. I don't know who the 'ONE guy' you're talking about is, and no one else does either.
The existence of 'God' is something that defies all logic sense and reasoning. I'm not saying God doesn't exist, but if he does, he's a sick *beep* bastard. If you had a kid and gave him up for adoption only to later regret and track him down would you sentence your kid who's never seen you before for not recognizing you and asking for some type of tangible proof so he can ascertain rather or not you are in fact his biological son to eternal suffering and pain in a mythological world designed for the sole purpose of torturing humans? No, I suppose you're not that 'Godly'. share
Pretty serious GAMBLE you have going here. A few famous atheists WITHOUT searching for the truth yourself. The bible says THE FOOL says in his heart there is no GOD. ONE man says there is no God and you believe him? THOUSANDS of eyewitnesses and HISTORY prove Jesus walked the earth and did uuuuummmmmmm UNHEARD of things, miracles, etc. He also did not claim being a MAGICIAN or ILLUSIONIST neither was he on television proudly promoting himself Sounds more like a GOD to me and the MEN working magic in all these spirits either HURT themselves eventually or DIE Sounds like the only FOOL anyone is being made of is you people that hate Him YES I SAID HATE because God says you hate him in His word ;)
shareFunny that you mention a GAMBLE, when in fact you're the one gambling. There are thousands of gods people made up around the world, and yours, while quite popular, is still in minority. Even if we count all the churches fighting each other (and I mean Christians killing Christians), that still leaves a small minority among all the other religions.
Think about it - by giving your money to one particular organized religion, you're making so many other gods angry! In fact, thousands of them! But you picked only ONE. Now that's a GAMBLE!
Us atheists, on the other hand, don't gamble. We take actual human knowledge and base our life decisions on it. We don't sacrifice our freedom of thought out of fear of a guy in a funny hat. We make sacrifices nevertheless, in our search of truth and happiness, but we actually KNOW the risks and benefits involved.
Interestingly, just last week Vatican announced I won't go to your imaginary Hell just for not believing in your imaginary friend, as long as I'm nice to people. There goes your only argument, fear-monger :)
What you don't understand is that people want to know that there is a sense of order, method and thus hope in their lives, which is to say that the same might exist in the world in general.
Understand that you can not disprove God's existence any more than those with faith can prove that he does exist. At the end of it, you become as guilty of blind faith as they might be if you cultivate such staunch beliefs.
Idiot, use your brain will ya?
Whatever your stance is on religion and the idea of a greater diety/power, that has nothing to do with such representations of it in this movie or how it fit into the storyline.
Of course, I post this just in case you are not typical swinging dick who is just trying to get a rise from the more sensible, if not, hip posters.
Science saved lives, yes. But exactly, who or what provided for the presence and utilization of science?.....
At the end of the day, you can't prove that God doesn't exist any more than those who believe, can prove that he does.
Your belief in non-belief is just as foolish as those fro whom you have contempt.
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