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They dropped the ball on the Gail & Perry marriage....


~ don'tcha think?

This could've provided our wonderful sub-plot, with a great arc of development, especially given that Dima was providing such a great mentoring role as a loving family man.

Having Gail take the two orphaned sisters under her wings gave her and Perry a taste of what parenting could mean for them.

But in my experience watching this film, they jettisoned every opportunity to have the couple grow in their love for one another. Oh yes there's that nano-second where they held hands in the automobile: Big whoop. Sweet enough, but....

Most significantly, they never seemed adequately worried about each other, even in the most dire circumstances. Perry just kept making choices for himself without consulting with Gail, which seemed quite selfish on his part given the risk he was undertaking and which would be effecting her as well. After all, she did agree to go along with him on this treacherous adventure, but he rarely factors her in.

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I say as much in my thread regarding their biracial status. The shock of a film opening with a full frontal nude scene in 2016--between a biracial couple, and with only the woman nude--was ugly. This story had such potential. Stellan Skarsgaard deserves a new kind of Oscar: Most Valiant Performance in a Film Where No One Else Gives a *beep*

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O! Thanks for the laugh! "Most Valiant" is purrfect!

I wanna big Russian hug from him!

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This film reminded me, for a bad reason, of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy--a dearth of drama amidst all the intrigue. That movie was not acted badly; the story was just too cerebral. Our Kind of Traitor wasn't cerebral at all but kept missing opportunities all over the place. And when I write a negative review of Damian Lewis, a production has to miss opportunities like crazy!

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Ah ~ Yes, one feels quite jilted when a fave actor flops!

BTW, did you see Ewan as Jesus in the desert? WHOA! Soooooo bad! The Son of God does not play well as Everyman!

Jaysus Every-dude Christ...

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I am not a fan of that, either. (Stranger still when Mr McGregor is not averse to full frontal nudity himself.)

What was the significance of that opening love scene, anyway? There seemed to be some conflict or disconnect in play related to the sex...but it went nowhere. After that they seemed a perfectly lovely couple. Except when Perry is suddenly and randomly snorting cocaine and flirting with strange women. It was all over the place.

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What was the significance of that opening love scene, anyway? There seemed to be some conflict or disconnect in play related to the sex...but it went nowhere.

It was there to show that the marriage was going through a rocky patch - she just wasn't interested in sex at that time (and remember that they said later on that they'd gone to Morocco to try and get back to the way they had been). Add that to the scene where she leaves him in the restaurant because she was working and you can see why he's a little pissed off and doesn't need much persuading to go off with Dima and start sniffing cocaine, etc.

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Stuff and nonsense and gratuitous sex scene. Nothing like an ESTABLISHING shot of a multi-million-dollar movie devoted to grunting sweaty nude people. Class directorial decision.

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What is this garbage?

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Funnily enough, I saw a test screening of this film a couple of years before it went on general release, and I'm fairly sure there was a sex scene between the two characters later in the film that seemed intended to show that they were being brought closer together by their experiences. This was absent from the version I watched today on Amazon Prime.

Regarding the point some people have raised about not knowing what was wrong between the couple earlier on - you seem to have missed the part where it's mentioned that Perry slept with one of his students.

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O! Too bad they edited that out. Thanatos can always use the counter-valence of Eros!

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Funnily enough, I saw a test screening of this film a couple of years before it went on general release, and I'm fairly sure there was a sex scene between the two characters later in the film that seemed intended to show that they were being brought closer together by their experiences. This was absent from the version I watched today on Amazon Prime.

Regarding the point some people have raised about not knowing what was wrong between the couple earlier on - you seem to have missed the part where it's mentioned that Perry slept with one of his students.


I just watched the film on Netflix DVD and neither of these scenes is included, so there must have been a decision made to delete them for wider release.

I agree with the OP in general. I really didn't care about the couple/their marriage. I don't know if it was the story, the acting, direction, who knows, but I didn't care about them because they didn't seem to care about each other more than going through the motions of a relationship even when they are at the safe house, Perry is off to himself and Gail is sitting on the balcony/porch with Dima's daughter. There just wasn't any warmth there. Yes, they seemed to reconnect in the one scene later when Gail remarks that they are perhaps better at healing other people's problems, but again, it was all rather pedestrian. They didn't even revisit their relationship at the end, which I found odd considering they started the film with their problems. Maybe since time had passed they could have shown Dima's influence by showing them being more loving with each other or even with a child or expecting one, especially since Dima told Perry that Gailw as a good woman and not to let her go. So, yeah, I agree with the OP on the ball drop.

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The line about Perry sleeping with a student is definitely in the release version that I saw - it's about half an hour in, when they get back to their home in London and have an argument ("Everything has consequences Perry - You *beep* one of your students, there are consequences. You run errands for a Russian mobster, same thing"). The later sex scene is gone for sure though.

Either way, I sort of agree, there isn't a lot of chemistry between them and their increased closeness over the course of the film is marginal at best. That's one of the aspects of the film that least impressed me.

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To clarify my post, I was referring to the sex scenes being edited and cut from the Netflix version I watched. However, the line about sleeping with the student and consequences was definitely there.

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"sex scenes being edited and cut from the Netflix version"

This is interesting. Does Netflix get different versions of the DVD? I just rented the DVD from a local video store (yes, they still exist) and the first sex scene was there, as well as the scolding Perry took about sleeping with a student. The second sex scene was absent.

"Loves turned to lust and bloods turned to dust in my heart"

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