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The two use reviews on this movie are by most observations a plant and have not even watched the film. No mention of seeing this movie at the Cannes Film Festival and until summer this film will not be in theaters. All the stuff discussed in the shill reviews is all stuff you can find in clips and bios on the film.

If you don't like nuclear energy that's fine but don't come on here and not even have watched it.


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Exactly! They vote it down before it even comes out just because they are anti-nuclear energy and have a knee jerk reaction to anything that might challenge their dogma.

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I know - it's quite insane.

I was fortunate enough to get to see a special screening of Pandora's Promise at the TEAC5 Thorium Energy conference in Chicago on Thursday, and the arguments in the film are water tight.

If you're an Environmentalist, the goal has to be to reduce CO2, reduce deaths and minimise environmental pollution. Opposing Nuclear has the exact *opposite* of all of these goals.

Coal power plants kill significant numbers of people each year. It's estimated over 13,000 people die annually in the US from respiratory illnesses as a result of coal power plants, and over 100,000 annually in China. Coal mining in the US kills 30 people per year, and over 6000 per year in China. A recent study showed existing Nuclear Power plants had actually prevented 1.8 *million* deaths globally:

http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/web/2013/04/Nuclear-Power-Prevents-Deaths-Causes.html

That's more 450 times more deaths than September 11th, and look at the outrage people had for that! The real outrage should be against Coal power plants.

Coal power plants pump significantly more radiation into the atmosphere than a Nuclear plant, 10-100 times more, because Coal contains radioactive elements including Uranium and Thorium, which become airborne.

To quote environmentalists themselves, "by 2030, global energy consumption is projected to be 55 per cent higher than it is today". They want to meet this through adoption of renewable energy. Is that happening? No, it's not! It's coming from, and will continue to come from Coal, Gas and other fossil fuels!

By opposing nuclear, the Environmentalists have basically consigned the world to runaway climate change. Well done, good job.

Nuclear is the only power generation technology that has the energy density we need at the price we need that doesn't produce CO2.

There's a good rebuttal to the criticism of Pandora's Promise:

http://www.whatisnuclear.com/resources/pandoras_promise.html

Unfortunately Pandora's Promise chose to highlight the Integral Fast Reactor as a possible future Nuclear technology, rather than far more promising technologies such as the Molton Salt Reactor. Molton Salt Reactors really do have the possibility to solve the energy crisis because they:

1. Burn 99% of the fuel, because it's dissolved in a liquid salt that can circulate and be reprocessed on-line
2. Produce 1% of the waste of conventional nuclear reactors
3. Can actually consume existing nuclear waste stockpiles
4. Can't melt down, are passively "walk-away-safe" thanks to their inherent safety features
5. Can't have a steam explosion, unlike a pressurised light water reactor, because they're not under pressure and don't use water
6. Can run on Thorium instead of Uranium which is as common as lead and effectively free - it's a byproduct of mining
7. Are significantly smaller and cheaper to construct. So much so that the energy from one can be on a par with coal, if not cheaper

Two Molton Salt reactors were built in the 50s/60s but the technology wasn't pursued for political reasons. But the technology worked - the reactors produced power. This was over 50 years ago - imagine what could be done today.

There are a number of companies trying to resurrect the Molton Salt Reactor technologie, such as Flibe Energy, Transatomic Power, and Terrestrial Energy. China's National Academy of Sciences is now building a prototype reactor due to come on-line in 2020, just 7 years away. Their effort is being headed up by Jiang Mianheng, son of former leader Jiang Zemin, so they understand the potential and are taking this very seriously.

There's more information on Molton Salt Reactors here, which I'd highly recommend everyone watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9M__yYbsZ4

Yes, we need to conserve energy. Yes, we need renewables. Yes, we must move away from fossil fuel power. But we also need safe, modern, clean nuclear energy too.

Opposing Nuclear is suicide, genocide, and consigning the planet to runaway climate change.

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Anyone with a basic understanding of science knows that energy is not "free" - there is a thing known as entropy. Energy in a disordered state is of little use.

Wind and Solar are diffuse and intermittent. Nuclear is exceptionally energy dense - there is no denser form of energy than that found inside the atom. A nuclear fission produces 2 million times the energy of a carbon-hydrogen bond.

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Yeah, you're probably going to need a bit more than a basic understanding of science. Mainstream science is *beep* The highest echelon of the scientific community are nothing more than corporate PR whores. You must find your information elsewhere. At a much more simpler level there are already solar panels that I've seen a man use that are over 100% efficient. So you don't know *beep*

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@negativeions - If you don't know what is objective truth, how do you know that this film doesn't get any closer to exposing it?
What exactly is your objective here? Are you pro Pandora or anti Pandora?

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negativeions101, I'm so glad you've elaborated with your name calling and references to “immortal spiritual beings.” That, coupled with your comment that “one doesn’t have to even see it,” clearly puts your comment in perspective.

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"Intelligent people already know energy is free."

You lost all credibility with that statement. That, and your user name.

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idiot *beep*.

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Well, I just finished watching the film in its later-night repeat. So, there's that!

I gave it a 7. It is good, it is just pretty casual in its approach, kind of going back and forth between topics, weakening its potential impact.

This happens fairly often with documentaries, where the film is truly made in the editing room. I have the feeling that the editing of the film was kind of done on-the-fly, instead of carefully taking the footage, seeing what you have, then structure your film accordingly.

I could go into my feelings on nuclear power (I believe it should be part of our energy grid), but this is a film board!

"I. Drink. Your. Milkshake! [slurp!] I DRINK IT UP!" - Daniel Plainview - "There Will Be Blood"

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I agree with jmiller that the film jumped around a lot. I also found its pacing to be very slow, considering it was not imparting a lot of data. I also became frustrated that some of the graphics were presented without telling you what you were looking at! For example, the time-lapsed satellite montage of the earth over many years, showing a growing number of yellow-shaded areas - WTH was that representing? Sea-level rise, carbon dioxide levels? They never tell us.

And that bloody woman who said you can't use solar panels in winter is just ignorant.

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I didn't see the film but i am thinking of watching it.

I'm not sure what the woman is referring to but what she says is partly true. Solar panels can thrive in certain geological zones but are inefficient in other parts of the world. Climate and weather play a huge factor in this.

Earth sits on an axis. When it is winter it shifts AWAY from the sun. When it is summer it SHIFTS towards the sun. This effects the amount of daylight and the intensity of solar radiation. Alaskan summers bring like 19 hours of sunlight. However, Alaskan winters only give you like 5 hours of sunlight. Solar power would be EXTREMELY useful in the summer time and virtually USELESS in the winters. You can say the same for South Dakota. South Dakota has the advantage of increasing clear skies for majority of the weak. So it is also viable for the summer but not viable in winter.

In the case study of UK, the solar ray intensity in winter was 1/4 the amount of summer. This means the rays are 1/4 weaker then summertime. So in the winter time you'd get significantly less radiation PLUS the added effect of reduced daylight. Thus, it is extremely inefficient in winter times. This doesn't even include weather patterns.
Seattle, Washington is known for its rainy seasons and dry seasons. B/c of this... it's extremely cloudy in the late fall and the early parts of spring. These seasonal variances can have an severe impact on our powergrid. You can not power a city with unreliable weather. Electricity is at its peak in winter time as well but.... natural gas has played a HUGE role in reducing it. .

You guys all have to understand that solar panel companies implement a lot of marketing strategies. Nuclear power companies do not. If you live in a certain geographical area where it works well then go for it (places like Arizona and new mexico is amazing. Clear skies for weeks) Florida... not so much b/c of the rain and cloudy weather patterns. But, if you think Solar power works well in NYC then your logic is extremely flawed. NYC has clear skies like once or twice a week... It probably takes more energy to build the panel than the lifespan of a solar panel.

In the end, the answer to energy is a combination of both. Small towns and Rural communities could probably get by with alternative energy sources but cities need larger and more reliable energy sources such as coal or nuclear power.

I just can't tolerate people who abhor nuclear power. It is what brought us into the modern world. If we can ever figure out how to make nuclear fusion reactors... this will be the day when humanity will reach a new echelon of civilization.

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Solar companies have marketing strategies, and nuclear power companies have lobbyists. I don't have a dog in this fight. I was just telling you my impressions of the movie - it was annoying and not very effective in conveying its point, IMO.

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OMG are you a moron or something? Seriously. Do you think that was a rise In sea levels montage? Really? They were talking about Co2 levels increasing while the montage was taking place. Sea level rise doesn't occur all over the continents center. It starts at sea level and moves inland. It was obviously about Co2 levels increasing from the 1880's to 2012.

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Well, it's a fact of life that people do things they shouldn't. It's not like if people stopped doing that the reviews would be any better. I'd like it if we could know real stats ... like how many people who comment actually watched the movie on Amazon Prime, or bought it off Amazon? Some real metrics would be good. I don't think the solution is in forcing people into anything ... just bring as much data to the reader as possible. Lots of reviews on Amazon and elsewhere are valuable so they are faked. The more guerrilla you can be, the less suspecting the audience, the more sway is possible ... so what needs to happen is that the readers need to develop more cynicism and doubt ... learn to be skeptical and think about the facts. That's a long haul kind of thing.

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