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U, PG or 12 in the CIVILISED world- R in the USA

posted 10 years ago by zanity
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Nothing can prove just how scary and depraved are American cultural values than the rating given to this film in the USA.

Many nations rate this film U, for heaven's sake, while the USA gives this film the exact same rating as vile, evil torture porn like 'Hostel'.

The US war machine, the largest war machine in Human History, with a budget that significantly increase every year, is the effective fist projecting US cultural thinking across the rest of our planet. Do we want a people that think that non-sexual nudity is 'worse' than allowing children to see graphic scenes of women being tortured to death enabling a hyper aggressive military force dedicated to exterminating all that 'oppose' the USA on our Earth?

America, alongside The Ukraine, has the greatest number of serial killers per one million of population than any other country. The 'land of the free' is the land where an extraordinary number of people dedicate themselves to preying on other Humans in the most elaborate and depraved crimes. And yet every American is trained from the earliest age to chant "our culture is the best there can be- America is no.1 and always will be".

The recent remake of 'Robocop' boasts a sequence showing US robotic death squads invading Iran, and unlike the original version, the remake makes it clear that such US war crimes would be a GOOD thing. Google is currently engaged in a massive investment to make such robotic war machines viable- buying up every company currently involved in the field of military robot design.

When the German people went collectively mad, they did us the favour of promoting such unsubtle evil, that every decent person realised the Nazis would have to be dealt with. The USA is vastly better at PR, and sugar coats its national psychopathy to such a degree, that the rest of the world is constantly giving America the 'benefit of the doubt'.

This wasn't so dangerous, when the US public were largely anti-war in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and early 90s. However, the carefully crafted events of 9/11 (as 'requested' in the infamous PNAC document) allowed the general population of the USA to be coerced into a continuous pro-war position.

Little things, like the R-rating given to this film, should be giving us the worst nightmares, because of the implications.

[–] timlin-4 10 years ago

Really, you want to take kids to watch this movie? Anyway, censorship is not primitive, it's over-civilized, and judging by current trends in Europe distributing or watching such a film could possibly result in your arrest there in the future due to feminist/socialist "progressive" regulation.

[–] cbeck86 10 years ago

I just watched this film. What would be wrong with kids watching it exactly, other than it would obviously hold little appeal for them?
I know of kids who watch Walking Dead, among other graphically violent junk. That is much worse for them IMO. There is nothing objectionable about this film at all. Just nudity, not even in a sexual context except for two brief scenes, both tastefully done.

[–] petitchatnoir 10 years ago

From cbeck86: "I just watched this film. What would be wrong with kids watching it exactly, other than it would obviously hold little appeal for them? I know of kids who watch Walking Dead, among other graphically violent junk. That is much worse for them IMO. There is nothing objectionable about this film at all. Just nudity, not even in a sexual context except for two brief scenes, both tastefully done. "

Agree with your comments. Well said.

[–] martita-2 10 years ago

zanity - I can't add anything. You have said it all, and very well too. Hope people realize what they are missing!!! Thanks!

[–] PoppyTransfusion 10 years ago

A very strong post from the OP. I agree with some of his/her thoughts.

Regarding a suitable rating for the film, in an age when ratings are dumbed down where possible in order to net a bigger audience and more money, this film is a 15. It's themes are adult and less than a 15 diminishes the film.

I give my respect to those who have earned it; to everyone else, I'm civil.

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[–] PoppyTransfusion 10 years ago

He was in good health.

We don't know this for sure. Very early on he says to Merce that her life beginning as his is ending. At that point we, the viewers, assume he's referring to his age and being elderly. But we don't know what he meant. It struck me too that Merce was his first model for a long time. Whether that was because of the war, or his frustration as an artist, or something else e.g. illness, we don't know.

I give my respect to those who have earned it; to everyone else, I'm civil.

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[–] PoppyTransfusion 10 years ago

It's all perspective I suspect?

Yes! When I watched it I didn't question his suicide as you did, so it makes me think anew about different bits of information in the film. Somehow I accepted it even though it was sad.

Perhaps he killed himself because he had finally completed his life's work. The most perfect statue he, a human, would make of womanhood ..? After he has begun working with Merce he asks the coffin maker if he'll make his coffin. The coffin maker is surprised at the request and I think says he won't as he's not going to die yet. Perhaps he was plotting his suicide from the moment he began his work with his latest model. I'm going to watch the film again before it needs to be returned. But this film is so beautiful, interesting and Jean Rochefort so perfect that I'll buy my own copy in due course.

I give my respect to those who have earned it; to everyone else, I'm civil.

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[–] PoppyTransfusion 10 years ago

Re IMDb: Me too!

Marc's God does not conform to the one taught from the Bible. Remember his God created Eve first! :)

I think suicide is a complicated phenomenon and I'm not sure it's always about escape. Sometimes it seems to be the only way a person sees to resolve a problem. Of course it would not be nice for his wife or the housekeeper to find him dead.

I like to have the concrete dvd rather than a download or streamed film. I'm old fashioned that way!

PS I forgot to say in response to another one of your posts that I've seen Renoir and it's a beautiful film indeed. Coud Renoir be made in black and white ..? Well one can explore the use of light in b&w but not the flesh tones with which he was concerned as well. I think Marc as a sculptor suits b&w where Renoir the impressionist painter would not.

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[–] petitchatnoir 10 years ago

From SpiritedConversationist: "And just why did he do that? A loving wife. A good life. Completed work. Renown artist. A man writing his biography. A young girl's adoration and respect? It didn't make any sense? What was he escaping? Old age?
Did she know when the tear rolled down her eye leaving? Or did she hear the gunshot? How could he allow himself to be found like that by his housekeeper? How terrible. He was in good health. Just terrible!"

I had many of the same questions, which I think was part of why it wasn't entirely spelled out: to provoke thought. And while you make good points about the reasons someone else in his position might not, I wondered if it might be that he felt life would never be that good for him again, that he might never again feel that vital and empowered, find a muse that so inspired him, produce such lovely work. The scene in bed with his wife is telling: it sounds as if for him to be in that state was unusual enough for him to relate to her, and her laughter, although it didn't seem to be meant in a cruel way, must have cut him.

Regarding his health, we don't really know. He makes several references to time being wasted, that it goes more quickly, doesn't think he'll meet his biographer again, and even tells his friend to start carving his gravestone. Whether because of poor health or advancing age or planning, he doesn't seem to think he'll live very long.

With respect to Merce & the tear: when they parted, I felt it was from strong emotion and true affection for this man who had not only offered her shelter, food and pay when she was in a bad way, he had introduced her to new ways of looking at and thinking about life and the world around her. I don't think she could have heard the shot as she was in another part of the country by that time.

[–] phantomht 10 years ago

we are a puritanical society here and "OMG BOOBIES, HIDE THE CHILDREN!".
im not surprised at all.
ridiculous.

Phantomht
"First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me..... blow."
- Ash

[–] armagecko 10 years ago

Wow. The OP was able to string together a diatribe that referenced nudity, serial killers, Google, Ukraine, Robocop, Nazis and...oh yeah...the movie, The Artist and the Model. Maybe a monkey and a typewriter can't write Shakespeare, but they can obviously vomit a 3000-word idiotic, non sequitur rant on IMDB. Congratulations.

[–] enigmatic2 10 years ago

Well, yes. It is - how to put it generously? - a little heavy handed. However the gist seems to be the age old concern about the US and the weird hangups the MPAA has about nudity/sex, while completely tolerant of extreme violence. Guns? Absolutely! Breasts? No no and thrice no, there might be kids watching!

Anyway, I enjoyed this movie. Can't imagine why it should be R-rated over there, but it doesn't surprise me.