...that Flick's mom sent him to stay with his grandfather knowing full and well about his past.
There are so many stories of child abuse where the mother or the father KNEW about the predator yet ignored it, or were just so delusional, so much in denial that they convinced themselves it was a "one time thing."
It's quite sad that she'd risk her son's safety and sanity.
It's quite sad that she'd risk her son's safety and sanity.
It wasn't that deep. The grandfather changed and moved on from that stuff he did in the past. I wasn't meant for his secret to come out.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you.
Running away and not acknowledging what you did, isn't changing it's just in fact running away. And you thinking that "it wasn't that deep," is your interpretation, because the messages in the movie seemed to run very deep in my opinion.
I'm going to have to disagree with you.
Running away and not acknowledging what you did, isn't changing it's just in fact running away. And you thinking that "it wasn't that deep," is your interpretation, because the messages in the movie seemed to run very deep in my opinion.
It meant it wasn't that deep that mother sent him go go visit his grandfather. She more than likely realized he wasn't going to touch him in that way. There has to be some trust there.
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No.
It doesn't mean that at all.
It's more of bad judgement.
There is no trust with child molestors/pedophile's.
The story only had one instance they harped on but it was inferred that he had done it to multiple young boys and that was the first time he got caught.
She sending her son, was either a misstep by Spike in storytelling or her purposefully endangering her son because she thought some sense of familial bond would stop her father from abusing her son, his grandson that he'd never met ever before.
Too many real life instances of mothers, fathers, grandparents etc abusing their own because they were more convenient.
Sigh!!! That not the story Spike told. Misstep? He wrote the story. You just can't change it to way you want it be.
And yes, there are instances of abuse by parents, but again, that's not the story he told and yet again, you can't change a story someone else wrote to the way you see fit. It's judgmental and unfair. Point blank.
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I'm not changing the story.
The story has holes.
The story was not complete
Where does he state that the mother trusts her father and thinks he won't abuse her son, his grandson because of a familial bond?
It doesn't state that anywhere in the movie, in fact she seemed apprehensive to even be around her father, she wouldn't enter the house, and though she may have been a bit remorseful with saying goodbye to him she still leaves her young son in the hands of a known pedophile, one with a penchant for young boys.
These are all things that happened in the film, I was addressing folks who were wondering why she would do it, stating that in real life, *beep* parents and other family members do things like that for many reasons, even when they KNOW it is wrong.
How is any of that changing the story?
If anything I'm trying to fill in gaps left in said story.
Spike Lee should have taken 10 minutes to explain the motivation for the mother and we would not be having this conversation.
Where does he state that the mother trusts her father and thinks he won't abuse her son, his grandson because of a familial bond?
It doesn't say, but it clearly implied.
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It actually isn't, that's your interpretation.
For something to be implied we'd have to have some semblance of fact around it, seeing as we only saw his mom twice and she never addressed what happened.
The fact that Bishop tells his grandson why he gets to go to a private school and live in his big house in Atlanta, and have his Ipad 2 is because of what he did to that young boy, implies that his mother is aware of what her father did and that she still put her boy in harms way.
Again.
Your interpretation, my interpolation.
We don't have to agree, but my way of viewing the film is no less valid than your way.
We don't have to agree, but my way of viewing the film is no less valid than your way.
I never said it was.
I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ-Gandhi
I had just mentioned this. This woman comes all the way from Atlanta to drop her child off and she doesn't even step into the her fathers apartment. She clearly was not feeling every thing was ok now. If the father lived 30 miles away ok she might have dinner and talk for a few and leave. But from Atlanta to NY and not step into the apartment. Nah.
shareThe fact that Bishop tells his grandson why he gets to go to a private school and live in his big house in Atlanta, and have his Ipad 2 is because of what he did to that young boy, implies that his mother is aware of what her father did and that she still put her boy in harms way.
I agree with you.
It felt as thought I was suppose to like him, but I never did and I was appalled at how they tried to make the victim seem like he was the one in the wrong.
The ending.
So many holes that were never explained.
Had the potential to be a great movie, and half way through it gave up.
Clearly she was still in grieving from her husband's death. She wanted her son to have a male role model during this turblent time to give guidance. So he wouldn't go seek other bad influences to deal with his grief.
The boy he molested was a couple years younger than his grandson. Clearly was not strong enough to put up a fight. Reverend and his grandson had started a bond but after his past caught up with him. That relationship became tainted. His grandson cared for him when he was hurt as a conditioned response to a fellow human in need. When his Grandfather confesses to him he tell him he still wants to go home. Even though it was clear he accepted the situation of spending time with his granfather for the summer by looking at the positive.
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It's obvious she didn't like what he did. Yes, because she barely looked at him and didn't walk into his place . She wanted to be able to forgive him. I wondered how could it be easy to leave your kid with a pedophile. Something told me this was going to be the story even though I wondered why'd she leave him. I didn't have hate towards the victim. I honestly hoped the Bishop would've gotten killed but thought even though those men were bloods, they wouldn't need that on their conscious. That guy was a victim. He was innocent. It was a hard scene to watch. The kid was scared. There's no excuse for this man. What he did was NOT right. I'm not saying how people should feel. I'm just repeating what I heard, being Christianity is the main theme of this movie. If you're a Christian or trying to be one, you're taught to need to forgive. You're taught no sin is greater than the other and that if you repent, you will be forgiven. It's hard to stomach. You don't want to forgive anyone who took advantage of children. Who likes pedophiles? Sick people! There are sick people in this world! Just repeating what I've already heard so many times. I don't know if that was supposed to be Spike's message. Maybe it was we have people walking around with big problems and secrets. Contradictions. Hypocrites. It was interesting to see how the characters accepted it. Just imagine being the grandson, not knowing what to feel. He obviously felt for his grandfather. He didn't have to hand him the towel even though he still said he wanted to go home. Probably had an interesting conversation with his mom when he finally got back home.
shareIt was messed up and I don;t know why the mother would leave her son there. I can only guess that she doesn't know for sure the extent of what her father did but she is still aware something went on. After 15 years, she didn't want her son to not know his roots and his grand father. She wanted him to have a male role model and she was confident her son would be safe and defend himself in case she was wrong. That's why she was asking him if he was okay and making sure her father wasn't hurting him. Still seems odd she would let him go but when I look at it this way, I can at least see why.
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