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Question about Roseanna (spoilers)


What did she die of? Some 1800's disease that we could easily cure today or simply of a broken heart? She was only 29.

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We don't know what she died of unfortunately. They say she died of a "broken heart" which was usually a nice way to say suicide in those days. Who knows though.

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You mean historically, the people who knew her?

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Yes, historically they just say she died of a broken heart. I'm sure the people who knew her knew if it was illness or suicide, but they didn't go on record saying for history. But generally when people said "Die of broken heart" it meant suicide. The TV movie was definitely pointing towards illness, however, as cause of death. Though they certainly disn't go into specifics.

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One of the parts that bothered me a lot was [SPOILER ALERT] when Rosanna died in her father's house and her dad just stood there with no emotion whatsoever. He came across as such a cold hearted ****** it made me sick.

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Ran McCoy was portrayed as mentally unstable and pretty much singlehandedly caused the entire thing because of his own resentments. If I was a McCoy I wouldn't be too happy.

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Agreed... what a horrible father he was for Roseanna. Your daughter's dying here and you feel nothing? A good Christian indeed... what a hypocrite. His wife was no better.

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My guess would be Tuberculosis. At that time, pretty much incurable especially if your immune system had been worn down by a rough pregnancy and even rougher childbirth. At one point, her nasty, vicious cousin Nancy tells Johnse that Roseanna had come down with " the cough ". TB was greatly feared well into the 1920'-1930's. There were no antibiotics until after the two World Wars. Like Leprosy, no one understood how this disease was spread. Both have fairly long incubation periods---like AIDS.

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"At one point, her nasty, vicious cousin Nancy tells Johnse that Roseanna had come down with 'the cough'."

I thought she was saying that to just scare Johnse away from her. Her death as portrayed didn't seem so much like a consumption death as possibly leukemia. If she had TB, it would have been plain to everyone around her and even to the viewer. That's a tough disease to hide for any length.

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I thought she was saying that to just scare Johnse away from her. Her death as portrayed didn't seem so much like a consumption death as possibly leukemia. If she had TB, it would have been plain to everyone around her and even to the viewer. That's a tough disease to hide for any length.


Agreed. I don't think it's likely that she had TB. Those around her would have noticed, especially the doctor who appeared to make frequent visits to check on er mother's health etc. I think the movie version of Rosanna probably did have some sort of disease of the immune system. I think the real Rosanna probably wasted away - just didn't take care of herself after all the drama and the death of her child. More like depression eventually took her because the will to live was gone.

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Consumption is TB. She could have had plain old pneumonia or believe you me, depression really takes you down. Since she was a slight girl, as it seemed, she probably grieved over her baby, Johnse dumping her, her father and others forsaking her. Heck, what did the girl have to live for? Yep, she lost the will to live.

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Yes, people suffering from severe depression generally keel over dead in mid-sentence with blood coming out of their mouths.

Coughing blood is a classic TB symptom or perhaps lung cancer.

I don't think that the doctor, given the place and time, knew much of anything medical.

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Yes, people suffering from severe depression generally keel over dead in mid-sentence with blood coming out of their mouths.


People with depression generally do not take care of themselves, leaving them much more susceptible to illnesses from common to profound. TB was well known during that time period, and before. They may not have had the cure yet, but it is likely that they would have recognized the symptoms, especially if she was living in the house with her aunt, a doctor, and Perry Cline. Constant coughing, and coughing up blood, is something people notice.

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TB can affect other organs of the body than the lungs (glandular system, kidneys, guts, bones, & c.). Her appearance in the drama was certainly made to look quite tubercular.

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Wasn't there blood coming out her nose?

The first thing I thought was brain aneurysm, my husband said, a stroke?

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She wasn't coughing like people with tuberculosis normally would. She might have had some form of cancer perhaps? Either way, she'd given up mentally with the stress and pain of her life, whatever disease she had just consumed her body.

I read an article about Johnse written by an ancestor that said he was a philanderer, who had no intention of ever marrying Rosanna, and that whilst she might have been drawn in by his lies it was not the big love affair depicted in the show. Word of mouth is that Roseanna took her own life because of her broken heart.

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She wasn't coughing like people with tuberculosis normally would.

Depends where you have it. Like cancer, it can affect a whole range of organs. Lung is most common, but so were glandular TB and intestinal TB. It can also affect skin, kidneys, various body-parts. The way the actress playing her was made up certainly suggested TB or a similar wasting disease.

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Ha ha, can you tell my knowledge of tuberculosis is gleaned entirely from watching movies?! :D Dr Grey's Anatomy House St Elsewhere right here!

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Unfortunately, in Roseanna's time and up to the early 1900s, It was killing swathes of my own family, in several of its forms...

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From accounts of her death (from what I've read) she may have committed suicide, which is perhaps why they were so vague in the show, but the actual cause is unknown. For her to die of a disease meant the character went out with dignity, far more keeping with her character development. Whether the stress in her life caused her to wither away or whether she took her own life, all anyone knows now is 'she died of a broken heart'.

It is known the baby died of measles.

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First, whatever the manner of death in the show, or the symptoms, we don't know to be an historical account, so any bleeding from any orifice may or may not have happened, but at any rate, people who commit suicide by hanging, or taking poison sometimes bleed from the nose and mouth as well.

"A broken heart" may have been a way of describing a suicide at one time, but it wasn't exactly a euphemism the way we use the word, because people literally thought the heart was the seat of emotions then-- or at any rate, some people did. Some scientists and physicians had cottoned on to the idea that emotion was entirely a thought process in the brain, but in the 1860s and 70s, that wasn't general knowledge, and most people still thought the heart played an important role in emotions. So, being sad, or having a shock, or being overly stressed, could literally cause your heart to malfunction.

When old people died of heart attacks, or other cardiac events, the cause of death was "old age" (in fact, it wasn't until the 1950s that doctors were no longer allowed to list "old age" as a cause of death on a death certificate); when a young person died of the same thing, people looked for a reason for the person's heart to have worn out before its time, and the heartache of unrequited love was one of those things.

The fact is, there are lots of reasons a young person could die of a heart attack: a person could be born with a defect that didn't take its toll until early adulthood, so someone could appear healthy in childhood, but after some of the strains of adulthood-- farmwork or military service for a man, childbirth for a woman, a person's heart could give out. Nowadays, these sorts of defects are detected shortly after birth, and surgically corrected in the first few years of life, and the person has a normal lifespan.

Another reason is a strep infection. Louisa May Alcott describes this with startling accuracy in Little Women. SPOILER: one character has a fever, and after that is always weak, and pale, and then dies young. Scarlet fever is caused by the bacterium that causes strep throat, which is not completely curable with antibiotics, and will have no lingering effects. However, at the time of the Hatfield-McCoy feud, and the time of Little Women, the toxins produced by the strep bacteria could cause heart damage, other kinds of muscle weakness, or nerve damage, and damage a person's hearing or vision. It is very dangerous if untreated, and even kills small children and infants.

So, Roseanna may not have committed suicide, she may have simply died after a decline in health that seemed abnormal in a young person, and was attributed to her emotional state.

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Whatever she died of it was depressing as *beep*

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