The last straw


I liked this show initially. The storylines of pregnancy, birth, medical practice and the camaraderie of women were all good themes. But as the show went on, it seemed merely an agenda driven vehicle. The setting is 1950's England, yet nearly everyone is extremely liberal in their thoughts and opinions, especially regarding race and sexual orientation.

The last straw for me was season 4's episode 3 regarding the homosexual man who's wife was about to give birth and he solicited a policeman in a public restroom. Interestingly, the opinions of most of the cast (including most of the nuns!) was one of pity and total understanding. It is unfortunate when the media tries to rewrite history.

Also, most of the original cast was wise enough to abandon ship apparently. All we're left with is the sniffling, snooty Trixie and a load of new, unlikeable characters which include (gasp) a lesbian nurse. If you believed modern media, you'd think that 25% of the general public was gay.

I've had it and that was the last straw for me.

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he solicited a policeman in a public restroom



But he did not - he was solicited and entrapped by the policeman, earning the "pity" your homophobia does not allow you to feel.

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Rewatch the episode and explain how the policeman "made" him walk past his home and wife to use the public restroom looking for men. Thanks.

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His wife was heavily pregnant and easily nauseated and he did not wish to stink up the house?

Maybe he was looking for men - that's why the policeman was able to entice and entrap him - but he did not solicit sex. An old 50s song called "Standin' on the Corner, Watchin' All the Gils Go By" has the lyric:

Brother you can't go to jail for what you're thinking
Or for that wolf look in your eye
which is true no matter what your gender or that of the object of your desire.

The nurses and the nuns were reacting to the fact that he had been led into temptation, not that he had forced himself on anyone. Only your blatant homophobia allows you to view his predicament as anything but pitiable.

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Maybe I misunderstood what I saw, but it seems to me that *he* was the one looking for sex and we are shown that *he* is the one that reaches out to clasp the other man's hand, and then, when the man looks at him as if in agreement, *he* is the one who initiates a kiss. Also, Noakes later says that he found him in a state of undress. Was that a lie, or were we fast-forwarded to the actual arrest?

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As the IMDB Episode guide puts it:

Meanwhile young father-to-be Tony Amos is the victim of police entrapment when he goes cruising in a men's toilet.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3659128/?ref_=ttep_ep4

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One person has left, Jessica Raine. How on earth is that most of the cast?

Sisters Julienne, Evangelina, Monica Joan
Nurses Trixie, Chummy and Cynthia
Shelagh and Dr Turner
Peter Noakes
Fred Buckle

And some new additions.

All still there. Get your facts straight before you start ranting. Otherwise you just look stupid.

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If you read my original post, you would see that I stopped watching at Season 4 episode 3 when most of the original cast was no longer on. Make sure you read a thread fully before you comment, 'otherwise you just look stupid.'

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The majority of the original cast was still in episode 3. Only Chummy, Jenny, Sister E and Cynthia/Sister MC were missing from that episode. 4 out of 11 original cast members is not "most".

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Depends on your definition of 'left the show' then. You must have a tough time viewing anything if you consider an absence of one or two episodes as having left a show.

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I feel the series shows a kinder side of religion-one where good kind people who love the Lord know full well they are not fit judges of their fellow man, because every human being is not perfect and they sin in their own way. Wasn't it God himself who stated simply but effectively "judge not, lest he be judged"? We are not supposed to do his job, he told us that. We are meant to be kind and loving to each other and nothing else. If it is a sin, it is not our sin. We have plenty of our own to worry about. Forgiveness and charity oozed from every pore of Jesus Christ, and he forgave those who needed it most. Including Judas who betrayed him to his death.

I love this show's message, and I will never act in a hateful manner if I can help it. It's never too late to be kind to others. Never. I urge you to try.

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Yes ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^to this

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Wasn't it God himself who stated simply but effectively "judge not, lest he be judged"?


MacyLouWho2, if you'd capitalized the h, that would have been the cleverest typo of all time.

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Sorry, but you're wrong. Most of the people in Nonnatus House were sympathetic, but the vast majority of people living in the neighbourhood were extremely UNsympathetic towards the man in question. Did you miss the scenes where they completely ostracised his wife? I think your own obvious homophobia is making you see things very differently to how they were portrayed.

Also, as has already been pointed out, only two original cast members have left. I accept that you stopped watching before Pam Ferris and Bryony Hannah returned, but it wasn't exactly a secret that they would be coming back into the series. One moment to check your facts on Google would have stopped you looking daft (although it would not have stopped you looking homophobic).

And okay, you don't want to watch the show anymore. Well, see you then.

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Not that I necessarily agree with everything the OP has stated he is right in several key points. They have heavily sanitized the reaction to homosexuality and race. they had to I guess as you couldn't portray what actually happened with racial and sexual epithets openly used to degrade and belittle. It happened.

I also disagree most strongly that the common way of the modern world is that if anyone brings up anything other than the standard politically correct mantra regarding all of the "isms" they are immediately labelled racist or homophobic or whatever ism is up for debate or discussion. It is pathetic that minds are so closed to discussion or understanding of other thought processes, other than your own, that you dismiss people as homophobic so instantly.

To me it generally used in entirely the wrong context, such as people desperately trying to prove their politically correct street-cred. Or usually a desire to cut any discussion down as quickly as possible because they are uncomfortable with it. My Dad was black, in Britain at public school in the 1950s and he saw and heard it all so to pretend it didn't happen is ridiculous and to label someone who brings something similar up in a discussion so quickly is also ridiculous.

It's a shame you stopped watching over something so trivial though. It's still a great show.

'tler

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If the OP had stopped with the unrealistic reaction to homosexuality in that era I would agree with you but she didn't. She went on to complain about the show trying to make it look like 25% of people are gay. This insistence that the media is always trying to exaggerate the numbers is a typical complaint of those who do not want to accept the reality that far more people are gay than they want to admit. In my book that makes them homophobic.

"Nothing is more ill bred than trying to steal the affections of someone else's dog."

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I too am very bothered by all this. You just can't watch a show anymore without liberal claptrap being forced upon you, be it homosexuality, or abortion, or mocking religion… getting very sick and tired of one worldview dominating everything.

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getting very sick and tired of one worldview dominating everything.


You mean the way, white, conservative, heterosexual, Western European Christianity did for almost 2,000 years? Wow, guess karma really does suck.

Freedom of religion means ALL religions not just your own.

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Freedom of religion means ALL religions not just your own.

Well, of course, but no one wants to watch their religion being bashed.

Apparently "someone" decided that the way to break away from the influences of Western European Christianity, was to mock them and undermine them and portray them as despicable, rather than simply beginning to show other religions in a positive light. Some of us would prefer to be done with the former.

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In the course of this series, we've seen a brother and sister living together as husband and wife, a ship's captain who kept his daughter on board to service the sailors, prostitutes, infidelity, twin sisters who shared a husband, a nun who left the sisterhood to marry a man (who is one of the best-loved characters on the show)...in short, all sorts of relationships and situations that did not fit your heteronormative ideal. But the idea that people can be attracted to, or even love someone of the same gender is what pushes your buttons? Considering the number of characters over the course of the series, having one nurse who is a lesbian is far less than 25%, and really less than real life would suggest. I am sorry for your homophobia. It must be very sad and lonely to be left behind in your world while the rest of the world is waking up to the idea that love is love.

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But the idea that people can be attracted to, or even love someone of the same gender is what pushes your buttons?


If you pay attention he/she said "the LAST straw," which implies "other straws" before .. finally, one decides "alright, that's enough"

I knew Patsy was lez after the second time someone mentioned her not having a boyfriend and she didn't react. Today's media telegraphs their political correctness from miles away.

And of course, they can't just have it in there, they have to play all the guilt cards along with it …

"Oh Delia, I love you so, but I'll leave early… so no one will see… (looks away wistfully) … no one will EVER see"

And then we're supposed to all feel guilty and sympathetic and blah blah blah...

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Rather than referring to the showing of lesbianism, homosexuality and other 'taboos' of the time more openly as a Liberal oneworldism, I would say it shows the whole worldism, the realism of the day which was previously not often shown on television.

Society, I hope, has in general moved on enough to accept that gays existed in the 1950's and much, much earlier (since mankind began I suspect), and that they existed in most occupations too. It is very sad to see that some people still cannot cope with this truth being displayed.

And why not show how difficult it was to be openly gay at that time? It was illegal, sadly, so it would've been extremely difficult to live the life openly and without fear of repercussions.

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to be openly gay at that time? It was illegal, sadly,


Being homosexual in the UK was not in itself illegal, although male homosexual acts were illegal, and is some circumstances, remained so until 1980s. Being a lesbian and lesbian sexual acts were never illegal. Sexual acts in public toilets, whether homosexual, heterosexual or whatever are still illegal to this day.

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Okay, let me see if I've got this straight ... the incestuous relationship in season 1, the abusive husband who pimps out his wife in season 2, the frequent references to racism, the abject poverty in almost every episode - those you could cope with, but one homosexual shows up and you freak out?

And as far as "(gasp) a lesbian nurse" - my grandmother ran a women's boarding house in the US in the 1940s, occupied mostly by nurses. And quite a few of them were lesbians. Why? Because back in those days, nursing was one of the few fields of work open to single women. They were such a terrible scourge that my mother - as hetero as they come - was inspired to pursue nursing as a career, and worked in it for over 40 years.

So I'm sorry that you're a bigot with neither historical knowledge nor a sense of proportion, but I'm pretty sure the show will do fine without you. Ta ta!

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Rayanna,

Do you understand what 'the last straw' means? To help you out, it means that many things have happened and this was one too many. My argument was that this show was rewriting history. Making it's characters much more liberal and open minded about all of the issues than was probably true.

Also, if you knew the true meaning behind the word you must often casually throw around at people: bigot, you would understand that you yourself are the bigot for not accepting someone else who has a different opinion than yours. Sorry, sometimes the truth hurts.

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I have yet to read Jennifer Worth's memoirs, but I scanned a few pages on Amazon. The series seems to be drawn quite closely from Worth's books, right down to some quotes. I find it hard to believe the writers and producers would take such modern liberties about sexuality, while staying so true to the text otherwise. Who are you to say what Worth and her comrades experienced and observed? After many years of studying literature, history and the arts, I've found there are exceptions to every rule. I've also found people are not monolithic. No one ever said it was easy for homosexuals or other people doing things thought beyond the pale; yet, that does not mean some people did not look with empathy upon those people. Think about it: Anglican nuns and nurse/midwives working in a neighborhood racked by ignorance and poverty were bound to run across all manner of odd ducks; they would likely have expected or at the very least learned to accept that some people were troubled, different, disturbed, etc. If they had been shocked or disapproving of too many things, then they never would have survived in their calling(s).

I grew up in a mid-Atlantic city of about 120,000 in the 60s and 70s; we had more than our fair share of racists, sexists and other narrow-minded twits, including a cranky old KKK member, who sometimes burned crosses on people's lawns if he thought they were a threat. Until about 1970, black, mixed race, Latinos and Hispanics could not purchase homes or rent apartments in the city's most desired residential zone, which was delineated by a certain street. When my friends of mixed race became the first people to cross that imaginary line, the KKK crank burned a cross upon their lawn. Many of us felt horrified and embarrassed by his actions. For every bigot, we had at least three people who believed in equality. I daresay the same held true in Poplar and the rest of the UK.

I doubt any of us cares if the OP wants to hold a different opinion; however, we also have a right not to accept his/her jaundiced view of the world depicted in Call the Midwife. My best advice: don't let the door hit you on the way out of Poplar, etc. The rest of us will keep enjoying this marvelous series.

Put puppy mills out of business: never buy dogs from pet shops! 

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The first two seasons drew pretty directly from the books. Once they ran out of stories from the books, the series writers were on their own. And yes, they tended to come up with story-lines that were much closer to 21st sensibilities and issues than those of the late 1950's. (I haven't yet seen season 4 or 5, but found season 3 hard to enjoy for that very reason.)

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I´m glad to know it. I find the later seasons not as good as the first ones, and I wonder, if it´s me, or if some other people wrote those stories. Really, they lack autenticity and complexity of characters of the 1.st and 2. nd season, they are running close to ordinary TV show. It´s a pity.

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...so, you didn't enjoy season 3 because the characters weren't bigoted enough? You do realise that the Sisters and nurses at Nonnatus House were actually very liberal in their sensibilieven then, as per Jennifer Worth's book, and the fact that the East End was always the most cosmopolitan area of London, so there were a number of refuges where people were cared for WITHOUT JUDGEMENT.

I grew up in the East End, as did my parents and their parents and while opinions among the general public weren't always very liberal, places like Nonnatus House and The Mother's Hospital in Clapton, Hackney (where I was born) were very, very liberal. The common denominator was the nurses. Their caring nature of their profession pretty much nurtured that liberalism.

I still don't understand it, why they hate us so much - Valerie, V for Vendetta

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Also, if you knew the true meaning behind the word you must often casually throw around at people: bigot, you would understand that you yourself are the bigot for not accepting someone else who has a different opinion than yours. Sorry, sometimes the truth hurts.

I was going to post something similar. If a person feels strongly that homosexuality is wrong, then that IS their right and they also have every right to express their opinion. We don't have to agree with him/her and we don't have to ridicule someone for their opinion. Why can't we all be kinder to others even if we are anonymous?

"Be kind to one another for everyone is fighting a battle we may know nothing about".

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So it was OK for that mustached house-painter to espouse killing all the Jews because they were diluting the Aryan race and he didn't believe in that? And the rest of Europe should have just been kinder to him, because - hey, he was entitled to his opinion?

Are you seriously going to compare someone's opinion of a TV show and on IMDB to Hitler and his opinion? You're either a troll or need serious help.

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I do need help - to understand why your public proclamations of condemnation should be taken any less seriously as a reflection of your feelings because they are less widely disseminated.

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Keep in mind that once the show was a hit in the U.S., some of the writing had to conform to the U.S. audience on PBS. Abortion in storylines is very frowned upon in America. And there's a tendency to white wash the experience of young mothers who gave their babies up for adoption. Thus, it's quite likely the actual stats for the era don't match at all what CTM shows.

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Well when the new season comes out on PBS one episode will be very controversial then because a desperate woman sticks a coat hanger into her uterus to terminate a pregnancy.

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And she suffered tragic consequences - so they'll see it as she paid her penance for what she did.

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Then did a similar storyline in Season two. Just watched it last night on Netflix. The mom already had 8 children and was desperate to be rid of the 9th that she was carrying.

"Vulgarity is no substitute for wit".

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I remember that episode and it saddened me more than anything else. One thing though about Call the Midwife and the abortion episodes is that you don't feel like you're watching a pro-choice sermon like Vera Drake (2004).

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For each side, I think it's good at showing the gray between the black and the white. No one character is without flaws and wrong decisions.

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The two episodes showed different reasons for terminating a pregnancy.

The more recent one concentrated on a single woman who was having an affair with a married man and thought he'd take care of her. She opted for the abortion when he deserted her -- except for a little money. She had a very bright future until that happened.

The earlier one showed how many roadblocks were against doing something to prevent pregnancy in the first place. The crux of the story was her asking Dr Turner to sterilize her and he said it was illegal unless it was shown to be medically necessary to save her life. She couldn't opt to have a partial hysterectomy or tubal ligation (if they could perform those back then). I can't remember if her husband refused to wear a condom or they couldn't afford them, but she was doomed to keep getting pregnant even though mentally she knew she couldn't take on another baby.

Yes, both unwanted pregnancies were ended by poorly performed abortions and both resulted in the female ending up sterilized. The series 2 episode ended happily because she wanted to end her fertility. She was rewarded. They even got a new, clean apartment.
The more recent episode ended up tragically because she only wanted to terminate that pregnancy once she'd been deserted, not end up unable to have kids. In fact her future appeared to be completely ruined because she also lost her job with a black mark on her record so she wouldn't be able to work as a teacher again. There was no glorifying of the unwed pregnancy here.

Because they showed very different causes and outcomes, I don't see the two stories being any more similar than any two of the birth stories.

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I watch it, in part, because it lets me pretend the population of 1950s & 1960s London wasn't totally closed minded bigots like the OP.

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There are countless tv shows that deal with abortion -- and not all of them end with the woman dying tragically.
I VERY much doubt that anyone at PBS or on the writing staff of the show decided to censor abortion story-lines to conform to some sort of imagined "American sensibilities." (The majority of Americans are pro-choice -- and I'd suspect that an even larger majority of PBS viewers are pro=choice.)

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Keep in mind that once the show was a hit in the U.S., some of the writing had to conform to the U.S. audience on PBS. Abortion in storylines is very frowned upon in America. And there's a tendency to white wash the experience of young mothers who gave their babies up for adoption. Thus, it's quite likely the actual stats for the era don't match at all what CTM shows.


What a load of hooie!!!

You really should check your facts before posting silly assumptions.

1 - CTM is NOT a co production. The US channel PBS pays to distribute CTM on US TV. They have no role in production.
2 - Even if CTM were a co production, that wouldn't prevent Heidi Thomas and BBC from creating any episode they wanted to create, any way they wanted to create it. PBS would merely choose not to broadcast a particular episode or they would contract to have it edited by the original production company.
3 - The recent episode depicting self abortion with a coat hanger was shown on US TV with graphic scenes intact. There was some editing during the ep, as there always is in every ep, because the time slot in the US is shorter.

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Somehow, I think the show will get along just fine without you viewing it!

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What a crock!!

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It's a kind of group mental illness you guys suffer from isn't it? It would be fine if you kept it to yourselves. That would be Ok but you all have such a propensity to have to ram your thoughts down everyone else's throats. Live your life how you want and stop trying to tell everyone else how to live. It's great that you are a Christian but what the heck makes you think it is OK to tell someone else what they can and can't do with their own body?

At least humanists have the decency to take responsibility for whatever they do and think rather than calling on "The Man in the Sky". It is, without a doubt, that the world would be a much better place if there were much less religion in it. Fewer Christians, Fewer Muslims, fewer ....insert "man in the sky" of choice.

'tler

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