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whats happened to Pixar !!!!!


I just saw this film an hour ago , my kids thought it was OK ..
And it was OK!!! and that's the problem with Pixar movies these days .
Visually stunning but story is a bit weak and trying to be deep and clever ,as with the over rated inside out the major component missing is Humour ..

WALL E had it ,toy story had it ...in fact all had apart from the last two offering ....

I don't mind if it preachy just inject some humour in it please

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One of the most frustrating complaints I've heard about certain animated films is that they "lack humor". Is there a requirement that every animated film needs to be a comedy? They're never going to be taken seriously by the world at large as long as people keep pigeonholing them into a certain tone and genre.

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While I agree not all should be a laugh out load funny , but depressing animated features are not what children would like to see , adults maybe ,
But with animated films your kids want to watch over and over on DVD for years to come this and inside out are not in the league of the previous Pixar movies .
But this film was an improvement on the last film from them..

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Inside Out is definitely in the league of the best Pixar films, and Inside Out will definitely be talked about for years to come whether you like it or not.

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because i love "The Good Dinosaur" too!

i think, it was one of… no… the best year of Pixar since they exist.
2 amazing movies.

and who says that animated films are just for kids?

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As will Good Dinosaur, imo. Apart from its revolutionary visuals, it's also ambitious in its tone and art direction

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When you have the quality of toy story and other I think I'll disagree with you on that one I'm afraid.

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Ahhh you're bringing me back to the good old days of Pixar, the days where we'd argue which superb film is better. It was awesome cause everyone had a different favorite Pixar film.

It suffices to say Inside Out is another worthy contender of that basket of superb Pixar films. It's unfortunate you did not enjoy it but it has already left a lasting impression as one of the bests and you can not deny that. Maybe it'll grow on you over time.

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the movie isnt that great even though other people says so. seems like they turned their brain off while watching.

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Hasn't Pixar movies always been 80% heart, 20% brain?

I don't remember any Pixar movie that required complex thinking to get what was going on - or even to get a reference. Inception, Enemy, Shutter Island, Fight Club, Moon, Primer, Memento etc. These are movies that ask for brains. Pixar movies are nothing like them though.

So I'm sure there's probably other reasons that you don't like the movie.

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but for a film like inside out i need brain or it just doesn't work for me. i need a movie that can show the mind a complex as it is without falling apart, that is talent. the movie needed to be 50% heart and 50% brain like "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" or "her".

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I don't remember how my mind worked when I was a child very well. I remember a range of thoughts, dreams and fantasies, and remember reflecting over things like how it would be different when my brain was developed. To my experience, it wasn't that different - except my experience, intuition and emotional awareness wasn't very developed back then. But it felt like it was. The only way I realized it wasn't, was when I found a chatlog on my old desktop, from when I was 17. It was very embarrassing to read.

I never recall having any imaginary friends when I grew up. But my childhood was also more traumatic and eventful than the average Western childhood. Certainly more than the girl in the movie. So maybe I just liked the movie more because I could readily suspend my disbelief and project it as "how a middle-class childhood could work", and mix that with the fact that they couldn't possibly manage to cover the entire complexity of a brain, and still have it be a family movie. Most of all, it was a feel-good movie for me. I was mostly entertained by the small little emotional references they put in there in an imaginatively intuitive way.

To me, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind wasn't that complex, when it came to the mind. Instead I mostly found the story was made from the two pretty honest main characters. The storyline and mysteries had a one-time surprise of how memory-erasing technology could confuse what really happened in life, and then a moral story about how love and attraction is somehow inevitable, even if you try to erase it. That's how I remember that movie anyway.

In "Her", there wasn't much about memory, was there? If I recall that one correctly, it was mostly about personality, insecurities, loneliness, affection, friendship and love. The topics and narrative of the story were probably too complex for most children to understand - or at least to be entertained by.

Maybe you grew out of the simple world of Pixar movies?

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Inside out is a pretty shallow movie, hate to brake it to you :)

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Inside Out was depressing and tedious with very few laughs. And the story content was like a 10 minute short stretched to fill an entire 90 minutes. If it were made by anyone other than Pixar, it would not have received all the attention it did.

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If it were made by anyone other than Pixar, it would not have received all the attention it did.


Damn straight.

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I'm with you there, I didn't like Inside Out at all.

And yes, I did 'get it'.




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INDEED :D

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I agree kids do not want to see depressing movies and why should they there's enough sadness and scary in real life let them have funny light hearted kid movies!

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Count mine as another positive vote for "Inside Out"... You're in the minority on that one, it would seem!






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Is there a requirement that every animated film needs to be a comedy?


Thank you! My God, not every single animated movie has to be funny! Just because it is aimed mainly to kids doesn't mean that it has to be silly and lighthearted. The most successful, beloved and remembered animated movies contain some pretty unpleasant and sad moments. People nowadays expect to watch animation and laugh and this is just wrong. Kids are way smarter than we think, they can handle some not-so-hilarious scenes, just like we did when we were younger.

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If people are saying the film wasn't funny, then the character of Spot had failed to serve his purpose.

No, where the humor was lacking was in Arlo himself. To me, the biggest problem with this film was that I didn't like the protagonist - if he'd been able to produce a little wit or laugh at something (anything!), then I would have liked him much more. But he didn't, mostly he just whined.




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While I agree with the sentiment, Good Dinosaur is clearly trying to be a comedy. There are entire characters whose sole purpose seems to be jokes, and plenty of moments that are obviously trying to be funny, e.g. the hallucination joke and when Spot is going to the bathroom.

"It doesn't need to be funny" is a sound argument for a movie that isn't trying to be. Good Dinosaur isn't one of those.

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Yeah, it has humor in it but it's much more subdued than usual for Pixar. By the antiquated definition it would be a comedy but these days the implication of the term is that belly laughs are the point of the movie, and most of the humor here is of the light chuckle variety and in service of the serious-minded plot. There are a lot of movies classified as "dramas" that have more jokes than this film. Not many movies are completely devoid of humor, anyway, just like real life isn't.

Inside Out had a lot more of the "humor for the sake of humor" like the Tripledent Gum gag, the "My Hat" guards and almost everything involving Fear, Anger and Disgust

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It's getting so bad next thing you know there will be an R-rated claymation film with characters having sex.

Oh wait...

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EVERY film needs comedy - light and shade. Even horror films and dramas should have bitterly ironic humour that arises from the situation... Comedy doesn't just mean fart jokes and silliness; you can and should always try to look for the humour in serious things.






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Pixar can't hit the mark every time. I believe that they are in a rut. I liked the movie and all, but they have done better. Only time will tell if they can work their way out of this rut.




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Pixar haven't made a great movie since Ratatouille, it's time to stop expecting anything from them.

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Were'nt around for "Up" and "Inside Out" were we?

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They were alright, but not on the same level with Ratatouille.

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Since when is Ratatouille even one of their best?

Also... Inside Out is one of the best movies of the year, if not THE best.

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Since when is Ratatouille even one of their best?
Well it has the highest metacritic of ALL Pixar movies, 100% from top critics on Rottentomatoes. It also got 5 Oscar noms (only Wall-E with 6 got more) including writing.

So it's without a doubt one of Pixar's best according to established movie critics and people in the movie industry.

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that just say that IN THIS YEAR there were not so much good competitors.
Oscars should be always seen in relation to the other films of that year

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HAHAHAHA! ratatoullie is way more clever and more well written than inside out

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The same thing has happened to Disney several times.

Yet it's doom & gloom for Pixar despite being a younger studio that has hit after hit for 15 years.

If you're happy and you know it, go sit in the corner and think about your life.

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The same thing has happened to Disney several times.


True, but WDAS' problems have always been caused either by unfavorable market or management conditions, while Pixar have always operated under highly favorable conditions, which continue to be favorable for them. It just seems that they're currently having a difficult time finding new directors among their ranks (where they usually come from), in contrast to their early years. When WDAS was rebooted, so to speak, nearly 10 years ago they already had most of the guys they needed to be new directors, and then Lasseter talked Chris Buck into coming back and hired Jennifer Lee from outside of animation, and WDAS scored again with these guys at the helm--this is a combination of restored favorable conditions (at long last!) and some luck (plus the talent they already had and guidance from Lasseter). Meanwhile, at Pixar over the past 10 years or so several prospective new directors have been given a shot, only to be replaced with others, usually resulting in their departure, which deepens the brain-drain in the higher ranks of Pixar. Many (albeit not all) of the main guys are still there, but in the long run they need to groom and bring on "new blood" as well, and this just hasn't been working out real well overall for quite some time now.


Yet it's doom & gloom for Pixar despite being a younger studio that has hit after hit for 15 years.


They're hardly doomed at this point , although Pixar's quest to find new directors who can meet their expected standards must be pretty frustrating. I hope (and assume) Lasseter realizes how lucky Pixar had been previously and how lucky he was that putting together a new set of directors for WDAS was so easy (they all worked out great, even the one who was new to WDAS and animation in general). Any of this could have failed (no one in the right place at the right time), and then he and Disney wouldn't be in the enviable position they are now.

Oh, and as for being a younger studio, Pixar has been around for far less time, but this doesn't necessarily mean that the staff is younger. Although most of the top guys have 20+ years experience and some have even more, WDAS often seems like the newer, younger studio these days, and I wouldn't be surprised if they literally have a younger staff overall than Pixar.

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Haven't made a great movie since Ratatouille (which I never saw all the way but did like it)?? I loved Up and Toy Story 3, and Inside Out!!

I did like Wall-E, never saw Cars 2, didn't like Brave.

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You lost me with "The overrated Inside Out." That was Pixar's best film since Up.

I think Pixar captured, to some degree, lightning in a bottle with their original creative/production team.

As the years go by they've expanded and managed to keep the quality level the same everywhere. I mean, this and Inside Out had a similar production schedule, and while TGD when through a ton of production crap, Inside Out was a completely different film to start.

Inside Out came out great, TGD came out sub-par. In the future I expect more classic Pixar movies, but they will not be invincible against the occasional dud like they were in the past.

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What has happened to Pixar? Short answer is that they were acquired by Disney in 2006.

Up was the last film greenlighted before that deal. Starting with Toy Story 3, everything has been done under the strict supervision and creative control of the mighty Mickey Mouse.

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Honestly, this "Disney destroyed Pixar" claim is getting seriously old.

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^ This. The worse Disney may have done to Pixar, is have Cars 2 greenlit due to merchandising sales.


I wasn't waiting, I was just sitting and breathing. Got a problem with that?

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And even that was probably John Lasseter's idea. He's a huge fan of cars after all.

That's without mentioning the possibility of 'Cars 2' production being severely rushed. The release date was changed from 2012 to 2011 - and possibly during the production.

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Plus Brad Lewis was fired from production midway, and I don't even hate Cars 2. It's harmless.


I wasn't waiting, I was just sitting and breathing. Got a problem with that?

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Plus Brad Lewis was fired from production midway

Oh, dear. Sounds like it was one of the nastiest productions that Pixar has ever went through.

I don't even hate Cars 2. It's harmless.

At least we know where all those $200 million budget went.

'Cars 2' is a proof that not all poorly-reviewed films have poor budget management.

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Oh, dear. Sounds like it was one of the nastiest productions that Pixar has ever went through.


Yeah, but Brave's hurts more, since while I enjoy the film, Brenda Chapman's original treatment sounds like it was going to be much darker. Oh well.

At least we know where all those $200 million budget went.

'Cars 2' is a proof that not all poorly-reviewed films have poor budget management.


Until TGD, Cars 2 was their best animated film to that date IMO. Some of the backgrounds are just, WHOA!!


I wasn't waiting, I was just sitting and breathing. Got a problem with that?

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Until TGD, Cars 2 was their best animated film to that date IMO. Some of the backgrounds are just, WHOA!!

I know, right? Animation in that film was near-photorealistic!

But then again, we're talking about Pixar here, meaning that their animation will ALWAYS be outstanding.

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Yup, say what you will about Cars 2, Brave, and Monsters University, but all three films at least look "beautiful".


I wasn't waiting, I was just sitting and breathing. Got a problem with that?

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Pixar has developed a habit of firing directors midway through production. Cars 2, Brave, Good Dinosaur.

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Didn't happen with 'Monsters University' and 'Inside Out'.

'The Good Dinosaur' is rather different as the original director couldn't come up with the third act.

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'The Good Dinosaur' is rather different as the original director couldn't come up with the third act.


Each case is different, I'm sure, and in this case it appears that the original director never had a clear vision of where the story was going. While I realize that even this can change as things are discovered during development, in my opinion there still needs to be a good initial idea to start with, guide the process, and then fall back on if necessary/desirable. It seems to me that Pixar went ahead without a destination in mind and then they never found one that satisfied them, hence the huge year-and-a-half delay to basically start over almost from scratch. This has happened before to both Pixar and Disney Animation, for that matter, but normally they don't wait nearly as long to decide that they're getting nowhere.

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It did happen with Monsters U. It was originally directed by a man named Doug Sweetland.

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It did happen with Monsters U. It was originally directed by a man named Doug Sweetland.


Yes, but he was replaced quite early in the process for whatever reasons, which is different from when projects get into deep crap only a year out from release. Directors must have a strong enough vision for a project to see it through to completion, and producers must recognize when they do not have this as soon as possible and act on it.

TGD apparently coasted along on blind faith for years, perhaps because nobody dared or wanted to seriously question longtime Pixar veteran Bob Peterson, who was the movie's original director. 

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Pixar has developed a habit of firing directors midway through production. Cars 2, Brave, Good Dinosaur.


Were they unfairly replaced or were they just not getting the job done well enough? It seems as though they're having trouble finding new directors.

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Agreed UP was superb with incredible script and fabulous acting that you warm too.
Since then the humour has disappeared with this film and previous since UP they have missed the connection they once had .
Hope they find it again...... Soon ....

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Except Inside Out was one of the funniest Pixar films ever...

Haven't seen this yet, am contemplating going to see it tomorrow but there's also Bridge of Spies which I haven't seen. This does have a B Pixar film look to it.

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Really , I've seen inside out twice now ,took 2 lots kids with me boys and girls , I personally thought it wasn't amusing or entertaining but preachy and a bit depressing.
But on the way back asked them if they liked it , but none were struck on it, and why all the funny part were in the trailer.

It's a shame because it's stunning to look at .

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My friend who is 30 liked both movies.

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What has happened to Pixar? Short answer is that they were acquired by Disney in 2006.


Oh please, that's just a coincidence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Disney under Bob Iger did not acquire Pixar to ruin them--they wanted Pixar to continue to be great doing their own thing and for John Lasseter (who used to work at WDAS during the 1970s and 1980s, by the way) specifically to help WDAS get back on the right track after Michael Eisner's disastrous micromanagement (of the whole company, including WDAS).


Starting with Toy Story 3, everything has been done under the strict supervision and creative control of the mighty Mickey Mouse.


No, Lasseter is in control creatively (of both Pixar and WDAS), and he reports directly to Iger, who does not consider himself an expert in animation (or filmmaking, for that matter). He's humble that way, which is kind of rare for a CEO of any major corporation, especially in entertainment.

Lasseter is allowed to bypass those above him because Iger trusts him with animation, not them, and Lasseter has also had the power to green-light animated features on his own (a big deal in this business--this is real power) ever since the former Walt Disney Pictures chief decided to can Frozen over Lasseter's objections (Lasseter then immediately gave Frozen the green light after Tangled opened well). The current Disney studio chief still technically outranks Lasseter on the corporate hierarchy chart, but he's not Lasseter's boss--only Iger is, and Iger keeps his hands off as much as possible.

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Thanks for sharing your OPINIONS.

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I agree. What the hell happened? It's not only that it lacks humour. The fact is that it seems to be an unoriginal story that makes no sense at all. It shows "life lessons" in the same way "little foot" did. The human child is exactly the same as one of the characters of "The Croods".
The only original idea I find in this is the dinosaurs planting corn. Yes, cause there's nothing to eat for a herbivore in a forest. The movie is not ok, not historically, it doesn't have a good plot, etc. I don't get any adults who actually liked it. The only nice thing is the graphics...

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What really proves this is garbage is how dead the forum has been. Nothing worse than indifference.

You're welcome.

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My surrogate 6 year old (god-daughter) liked the Croods and wanted to see it again.

She hasn't expressed an interest in seeing Inside Out again but she did find it memorable! She says that I still have my goofball island.

We're going to see the Good Dinosaur over Christmas.

From what I can tell the Good Dinosaur - like the Croods and Inside Out - will be a film I don't want to see again. For a six year old I'll see it once though.

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Visually stunning? That's a negative, Houston. Lame visuals.
One of the 2 main characters couldn't speak.
Plus it was just silly beyond words to have dinosaurs as farmers.
A weak effort all round.

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The environments/backgrounds were second to none, you can't argue that.

The characters, however... now they sucked. Such a clash to have such beautiful backgrounds with such bland characters...

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