the twist
the twist was so obvious
I see it coming from miles
good movie though
Lettuce be serial, you didn't see the twist coming. There are no hints that I recall that would give away the fact that they are already dead. Wanna be smart guy is busted!
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The hints are as follows (the ones I noticed anyway):
1) Lance saying 'please don't let me die on a plane', which is a foreshadowing hint to the fact that they all die on the plane.
2) The goth chick talking about the importance of accepting death as part of your life.
3) The death doll, this time underlining the importance of letting go in order to cross through to the other side.
Each hint is fairly underdeveloped, and really only work as hints once you are aware of the twist. However, they are hints nonetheless. A keen observer and/or a very cynical viewer can easily piece the three together to create the ending before the ending comes into full effect. There is also the constant inability of the captain to communicate with the command tower in Japan. While not specifically a hint for the ending, it does suggest something more than the simple supernatural elements that were establish earlier in the film. Finally, there's also the fact that the established characters only died after resolving some sort of issue. However, this is a confusing hint as I didn't notice any resolution before Jake (the surfer dude) died...
I managed the piece together the twist when the death doll became a feature. It clearly suggests that they're all dead. However, it is understandable why some people might've missed that.
You are really reaching with those "hints."
1) Him saying "please don't let me die on this plane" seems like a normal reaction to someone being scared of flying.
2) What goth girl doesn't talk about the importance of death?
3) This is the only one I can see being a hint but even then I still find it hard to believe that seeing a death doll says "Hey! They're all dead already!" If anything I felt like it meant that they were all going to die on the plane at the hands of some ghost/demon, not that they were already dead.
Alright, so by hints you want them to essentially tell you what is happening, is that it? You want it to be so painstakingly obvious that even a blind man will notice the hints? The goth girl talking about the importance is a hint cause you don't expect it to be relevant, but then later it is. That's what a hint is supposed to be like.
I'll admit that the first hint is a bit of a reach, and like I said it's really only a worthwhile hint once you've seen the film, but if you were to rewatch the movie now, you'd see that scene as a hint rather than the expected reaction to someone dying on a plane that you figured it was the first time. Also, they never said he was scared of flying. He's clearly nervous about flying with the doll, but other than that he seems perfectly relaxed up until the point where he dies.
And the death doll by itself doesn't say they're all dead, but the speech about letting go before being taken to the afterlife is definitely a hint that ties into the appearance of the doll. They're saying that the remaining characters need to let go of whatever it is that's keeping them on earth before being taken into the afterlife, which is why following this scene the characters start coming to terms with that aspect of their life (like the two stewardesses letting go of their respective relationships).
Like I said before, they're not well developed hints, but they're there if you pay close enough attention. It's not that the ending is predictable either, it's just that once they've presented the various pieces that I've mentioned here, it becomes more expected that they're going down that route. So rather than being an ending I predicted from the beginning, it's more an ending that becomes understandable once certain scenes are played out (like the death doll, and the goth girl speech).
Hmmm... well, I GUESS if you are really sharp (or like you quite accurately said, 'Cynical') a person could put that together. But, although I would LIKE to consider myself fairly intelligent, I normally am of a nature to approach films with a HUGE naive sense of Wonder. So, I am quite the OPPOSITE of being a cynical Realist.
However, just one thing, if I may please... When I saw the doll, to me anyway, I was NOT thinking along that line at all. I think the reason being is that I was not looking at it in a vacuum like, 'Ah, there is a Death Doll... They all must be dead' Instead, my IMMEDIATE thought was, 'What the frigg'n HELL is this guy doing with all these samples of hair (LOVELY misdirection, BTW in my lowly and wretched opinion) AND with this FRIGG'N DEATH DOLL...!????? So, in my mind, instead of perhaps like you and I guess other sharp people here, was INSTANTLY filled with curiosity about what the hell this guy was up to and how that was somehow creating the phenomena around them. Which, to me anyway, when taken that particular way, is kind of a pretty cool thing to drop into the middle of a film like this (GREAT doll too, BTW! )
Anyway, I just wanted to share my personal take on that particular 'Clue' and how my mind reacted to that when I saw it...
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Yeah the whole plot was about misdirection. I didn't see the twist coming, though I did wonder why everyone seemed so concerned with their personal lives directly after the emergency, instead of talking about their near death experience. But as I was watching it I just thought that was a flaw in the storytelling
shareWhen I saw the doll, to me anyway, I was NOT thinking along that line at all. I think the reason being is that I was not looking at it in a vacuum like, 'Ah, there is a Death Doll... They all must be dead' Instead, my IMMEDIATE thought was, 'What the frigg'n HELL is this guy doing with all these samples of hair (LOVELY misdirection, BTW in my lowly and wretched opinion) AND with this FRIGG'N DEATH DOLL...!?????
I am in agreement about the doll.
And...what was the purpose of the hair samples?
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Heh... See what I mean!
Stuff like that REALLY grabs an active imagination like mine (Suddenly, I'm thinking about all this Black Magic the guy was probably into. I was kind of hoping that there was some mysterious Supernatural Voodoo reason connected to whatever the HELL he was doing with all that stuff that might be causing whatever was happening)
And, even though it didn't really end up really meaning anything important I guess, for me personally, that was probably the part that grabbed my interest the most...
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I am in agreement, I was hoping/thinking the doll was "evil" or cursed.
And I guess we'll never know about the hair samples...
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The hair sample weren't anything voodoo. As you can see on the document the guys pulled from his bag, the guy was just a toymaker working on rare toy designs (he was flying to Tokyo to deliver his latest creation to a customer named... Takashi Shimizu!), and the hair were part of his tools, toymakers use them to create realistic dolls.
The entire character was misdirection.
Well... it 'misdirected' me...
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1) Him saying "please don't let me die on this plane" seems like a normal reaction to someone being scared of flying.
True. My mom says things like this when we fly, she is a fearful flyer.
[quote]2) What goth girl doesn't talk about the importance of death?[/]
Fair enough. It's a good point!
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I managed the piece together the twist when the death doll became a feature. It clearly suggests that they're all dead.
How did the doll spell out death and that they would all die? Did I miss something?
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As one who start this post, would you be willing to comment and share your side? Saying 'there were a bunch of hints' is empty hole. Care to elaborate little what you meant?
Did you actually understand the movie?
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I had *just* seen another movie about a bunch of people on a plane who died but didn't know it...they started dissapearing one-by-one, the main woman thinks it's a conspiracy.
That and the fact that the start of this movie has the plane going crazy with everyone getting thrown about made me think they were dead.
I had *just* seen another movie about a bunch of people on a plane who died but didn't know it...they started dissapearing one-by-one, the main woman thinks it's a conspiracy.
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Passengers? was that the movie your talking about