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Blatant climate change propaganda


First I was mislead to think this movie would be a sci-fi action, then at least a interesting look on the future technologies and how they may change our lives, and finally it turned out to be a cheesy disney movie for kids loaded with subconscious propaganda for young impressionable minds. Climate change is nonsense, and I'm not talking about seasons. Climate change is such a nonsense that even those who are trying to shove it down our throats have trouble packaging it. They are trying to create fear out of nothing. So they have to dilute the threat and make it very vague in hopes of catching as many gullible people as possible. This leads to the creation of very diluted and bland propaganda movies - just like this one. Its outstanding budget of 190 million dollars would be puzzling for anyone not seeing the propaganda behind it.
For a movie which pretentiously names itself "Tomorrowland" and lures people with imagery of futuristic cities and technology it turns out to be the same as the commercial that lures the main character into believing that the future is exiting. In the end this movie just spreads fear into the minds of its target audience - the children of the world. Seeing that portal at the end opening to a field of wind turbines made me cringe hard, because at that point the movie just stopped pretending and went full ret...propaganda.

As a side note, the main character gave me a headache. I realize they wanted to make a weird creature that is neither male nor female and borrows traits from both, and was amazed at how carefully her lines were written to support the illusion, but that's just gross, disney. People just aren't made like that.

Oh and one more thing, that "subtle" Coke advertising works. I really had an urge to chug two ice-cold Cokes in a row, but unfortunately all I have around is cheap local incensed Coke in plastic bottles that tastes like crap, so I won't be drinking Coke after all.

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I feel sorry for anyone who watched the entire movie. Movies like this causes the world to get cancer and the only cure is to never watch crappy movies like this.

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This post gave me cancer

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People like you really don't make sense. Complaining about 'climate change propaganda' like it's actually that -- propaganda... something bad, false, evil. There is absolutely nothing bad about promoting a cleaner lifestyle, in any respect. And climate change not being a thing? What are you even on about. What are you some sort of conspiracy theorist who thinks the piles upon piles of scientific studies proving climate change is very real is just some sort of whacked out plan from someone out for their own good? Seriously, think about that. It doesn't make sense at all. Only people claiming climate change isn't a 'thing' are the ones who can logically be seen as speaking that point with hidden intentions, out for their own (their groups/their companies) success and/or profit.

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There are no "piles upon piles of scientific studies proving climate change is very real". Or perhaps I should say that there is not a shred of evidence that man is causing climate change or that he can do a damn thing to stop it. What you have, at best, is guess work, and at worst, fraudulent data that has been massaged and manipulated to fit the hypothesis, and when that's not enough, organizations like NASA, NOAA, and IPCC just flat out manufacture data -- and, yes, there is damning evidence of such manipulations. I've said it before, but if creationists were ever caught fudging data to the extent that environmentalists are guilty of, the whooping and hollering and cries of "Fraud!" from skeptics would be deafening.

Even the claims of a 98% consensus among climatologists that often makes its way into global warming propaganda is a ginned up figure based on deliberately flawed surveys. It's not about science, it's about politics, which is why every environmental proposal is nothing but a checklist for implementing socialism.

Here is one of the best resources for global warming on the internet which carefully pulls back the covers and shows you that there's no bogey man underneath:

http://climatechangereconsidered.org/

Here are some basic facts based on an objective, peer-reviewed study:

• Global climate models are unable to make accurate projections of climate even 10 years ahead, let alone the 100-year period that has been adopted by policy planners. The output of such models should therefore not be used to guide public policy formulation.

• Neither the rate nor the magnitude of the reported late twentieth century surface warming (1979–2000) lay outside the range of normal natural variability, nor were they in any way unusual compared to earlier episodes in Earth’s climatic history.

• Solar forcing of temperature change is likely more important than is currently recognized.

• No unambiguous evidence exists of dangerous interference in the global climate caused by human-related CO2 emissions. In particular, the cryosphere is not melting at an enhanced rate; sea-level rise is not accelerating; and no systematic changes have been documented in evaporation or rainfall or in the magnitude or intensity of extreme meteorological events.

• Any human global climate signal is so small as to be nearly indiscernible against the background variability of the natural climate system. Climate change is always occurring.

• A phase of temperature stasis or cooling has succeeded the mild warming of the twentieth century. Similar periods of warming and cooling due to natural variability are certain to occur in the future irrespective of human emissions of greenhouse gases.

Probably the only “consensus” among climate scientists is that human activities can have an effect on local climate and that the sum of such local effects could hypothetically rise to the level of an observable global signal. The key questions to be answered, however, are whether the human global signal is large enough to be measured and if it is, does it represent, or is it likely to become, a dangerous change outside the range of natural variability? On these questions, an energetic scientific debate is taking place on the pages of peer-reviewed science journals.

In contradiction of the scientific method, IPCC assumes its implicit hypothesis – that dangerous global warming is resulting, or will result, from human-related greenhouse gas emissions -- is correct and that its only duty is to collect evidence and make plausible arguments in the hypothesis’s favor. It simply ignores the alternative and null hypothesis, amply supported by empirical research, that currently observed changes in global climate indices and the physical environment are the result of natural variability.

The results of the global climate models (GCMs) relied on by IPCC are only as reliable as the data and theories “fed” into them. Most climate scientists agree those data are seriously deficient and IPCC’s estimate for climate sensitivity to CO2 is too high. We estimate a doubling of CO2 from pre-industrial levels (from 280 to 560 ppm) would likely produce a temperature forcing of 3.7 Wm-2 in the lower atmosphere, for about ~1°C of prima facie warming. The recently quiet Sun and extrapolation of solar cycle patterns into the future suggest a planetary cooling may occur over the next few decades.

In a similar fashion, all five of IPCC’s postulates, or assumptions, are readily refuted by real-world observations, and all five of IPCC’s claims relying on circumstantial evidence are refutable. For example, in contrast to IPCC’s alarmism, we find neither the rate nor the magnitude of the reported late twentieth century surface warming (1979–2000) lay outside normal natural variability, nor was it in any way unusual compared to earlier episodes in Earth’s climatic history. In any case, such evidence cannot be invoked to “prove” a hypothesis, but only to disprove one. IPCC has failed to refute the null hypothesis that currently observed changes in global climate indices and the physical environment are the result of natural variability.


You can live in fear, or you can live in truth. The choice is yours. :)

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Whoever sits behind this account should be ashamed, i hope you look yourself in the eyes next time you pass a mirror and ask yourself if you are a positive impact on the world you live with others in. For those who think that was harsh keep reading.

Here is one of the best resources for global warming on the internet...
http://climatechangereconsidered.org/

Seing as logically a neutral source would be the best, but as most sources are biased in some degree just staying away from the outspokingly biased ones could be enough. That is where your source falls.

• Global climate models are unable to make accurate projections of climate even 10 years ahead, let alone the 100-year period that has been adopted by policy planners. The output of such models should therefore not be used to guide public policy formulation.


The one writing the report are denying the use of the scientifc method here and anyone doing so in a report exspecting others to believe it when it mocks the very theory it's supposed to be using is quite funny.
*Noting that it's probable that validity, reliability and thus intersubjectivity will be low (from such a source).

Why does it mock it? The global climate models are using data based off what has allready transpired (you measure the cause of the warming - like the ice receeding) which means a larger increase or decrease can't be forseen as the variables are too many to account for. What you do is that you collect as much data as you can and make as accurate predictions as possible. If we do nothing and the scientific community is right modern humanity seizes to exist (which will undoubtedly cost alot more than a few tweaks to current economies), we gain a liveable habitat (and biodiversity) for future generations. If we do nothing and the scientific community is wrong all we have really lost is some time and in relation at an extremely miniscule cost.

To give an example on previous mentioned factors is when the permafrost in Sibira melts and releases the methane gas it'll rapidly increase the speed of the global warming while an increase in water levels and temprature that results might lead to an increase of overall humidity (ratio of water in the air) which means temporary slower temprature changes as more heat gets absorbed in the atmosphere, leading to an increase in hurricanes as the natural movement of airflow changes with more heat rising to then be cooled (the theoretic losses to humanity at this point would probably be large). That would also reult in faster changes from one extreme to another, which is negative for basically ALL life on the planet (humans in particular, which plan ahead of time - things like failing crops, airtravel or shipping would be alot harder, basic road architecture would need to be replaced and all wires dug down into the ground).


There are three contacts on this page (http://climatechangereconsidered.org) to;
Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
http://www.co2science.org/
Which formally is driven by three farmers (which with all economic ties disregarded would be severaly and negatively impacted by raised oil prices).
They have clear ties to corporate interest such as; Craig Idso was Director of Environmental Science at Peabody Energy (world's largest private coal company).

The second is:
https://www.heartland.org
Which is a right wing think-tank, it's allmost solely funded by conservatives, with examples like Exxon, Koch, Scaife Foundation, DonorsTrust (Donortrust is a right wing middleman who anonymize funds from big corps to lobbyists), the Mercer family (oil and gas family) and Microsoft!. Also connected to SEPP and a multitude of other far right extremists.

First name on boards of directors is just to mention it: William S. Armistead who seems to be Vice President of Corporate Affairs for Century Strategies, LLC (PNAC anyone?).

The third is SEPP:
http://www.sepp.org/
It's run by the a goon of Koch - S. Fred Singer who has represented/lobbyied for the fossile fuel industry, tobacco industry [missing text, do not recall what was typed down here]
Partly (read; heavily) financed by heartland.

These three lobbyist companies employ amongst others [missing text, do not recall what was typed down here] have countless ties amongst them with oddities in tax reports and employ people such as Joseph Bast, the person who defended Camel when they directly tried to get children and young adults addicted to smoking. This companystructure are funded mainly through DT and CDF (right wing policy funds), though oil companies, people directly connected to the field of oil also spend millions upon millions on them.

If you want an unbiased source look to IPCC which goes through a hefty part of the scientific reports on this subject. Though seing as alot of countries previously have supported oil (there has been a huge turnaround during the last 10 years regarding the old fossile fuels) due to plutocratic lobbyism, just thinking that democracy will safeguard scientific research is a naive stance overall.

[The above is posted as opinion for legal reasons, do look it up and see for yourself that it is accurate]

[EDIT] Spelling & clarity and noted where something is missing/has disappeared.

Ignorance is only a bliss if you haven't reached awareness.
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You call the IPCC unbiased? The same IPCC that was caught fraudulently manipulating data to support a political agenda? The same IPCC that actively ruined the careers of scientists and journalists who dared to publish a dissenting opinion? The same IPCC who declared in private emails that they would keep dissenting opinions out of scientific publications even if they had to change the definition of "peer review"? This is the IPCC that you claim is "unbiased"? While you insinuate that the folks who run the Climate Change Reconsidered website are somehow untrustworthy, we know for a fact that the IPCC is, no insinuation required!

The fact is, there is zero evidence that man is having a significant or catastrophic impact on the earth's climate. Climate change is real, but it's not being caused by man because it's a purely natural process, and therefore, there's nothing we can do to stop it.

As for the oil industry, farmers, and other groups funding research into combating the global warming hysteria, what are they supposed to do, sit back and let their livelihoods be destroyed by the lies of environmentalists?

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Hey shide_85, you should rename yourself shite, because you're fucking stuffed full of it you fucking fannybaws.






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The factual aspects, that climate change is occurring, is indeed so. But the conclusions that the liberal left draws is so misleading that it is essentially complete lies.

Climate change is not much of an issue for the US at all. The US is an extremely wealthy and highly technologically developed country with a sizable inland high attitude landmass. The US need not fear climate change much. It is the pacific island countries that should fear.

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Keep sitting in your little bubble of denial while the world burns around you. Idiot.

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You clearly missed the whole point of the movie and its a shame. The point of the movie is what Hugh Laurie says in the end. We are being told that there is going to be something bad happening. We know for 100% yet we decide to do nothing. Thats the point of the movie.

That movie had a relation to nature (climate change or not) because thats one of the very obvious things we destroy and pollute on a daily basis yet we dont see anything wrong with it.

Call it propaganda, its a movie for kids to think about what they do and how they treat this earth. We have factories across the world that dump toxic waste into the wild that will keep the river/area or land polluted for the next 1000 years. Speaking of Coke that drys rivers in India yet they see nothing wrong with it. All things come to an end and the questions is how fast we get to the end.

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Right, except it takes (unimaginably) longer than humans have been on Earth - for such changes to occur on a planetary level... If there's even the slightest chance that we are causing irreparable damage to the only known planet in the observable Universe which sustains life... Then, you know, what is there to say.

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First I was mislead to think this movie would be a sci-fi action, then at least a interesting look on the future technologies and how they may change our lives,
This movie has at least 6 robots (Athena, 3 cops, and the 2 in the sci fi shop). It has the monitor and the pin. Isn't that looking at the future? If you said, "This movie is a bad attempt at a fusion of cyber- and steampunk," that would be a legitimate critique. Instead, I get the sense that you're saying "I like Science Faction. I don't like this movie; therefore it's not Science Faction."
Climate change is such a nonsense that even those who are trying to shove it down our throats have trouble packaging it.
I can't see how you arrived at that conclusion based on the evidence. I think you're so dismissive because you just don't like it.

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Talk to us in 20 years, Captain Denial, when the coasts start to go under.

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In 20 years nothing will change. But even if you could magically transport into the future and see it for yourself, you still will hold on to your misguided beliefs, because that's what they are. You want to believe that people are bad and no rational thought can change your inner desire. You see what you want to see.

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The irony of your last sentence.

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Yeah, that was supposed to have happened already according to a number of (obviously incorrect) predictions. The newest theory -- or perhaps I should say snow job -- is that all the dams and reservoirs that have been built since 1900 have kept sea levels in check. And if you believe that then you might be interested in a bridge in Brooklyn that I have for sale.

Face it, kiddo, none of the many disastrous global warming predictions have come to pass, and they will never come to pass. You've fallen for the biggest con job of the 20th century. 40-years later and they're still reeling in suckers like you.

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Lol get a clue dude the sea level is rising just look it up, its a very slow process.

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You mean the perfectly natural variation in the sea level that has been well-documented throughout history and poses absolutely no threat whatsoever to us humans? That's what we're supposed to afraid of? May as well start panicking if it rains one day and is sunny the next.

Seriously, kiddo, go read about what happened to sea levels during the Little Ice Age.

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Real fear is existing in loads allready, climate change is not "made up" for that cause. It is a cause that in USA was brought up by the green movement (60's-70's) and fast got embraced by hippies - many "scientists" (quotes are there for it seems to me that mainly path dependant ones that weren't willing to test the claims put on trial before discrediting them) have since spread crap on the field.

If you want fear just turn to Hobbes war which is what plutocrats/conservatives/republicans spread (everyone's war on everyone).

Regarding the futuristic views they are in line with what the concept is built off... ( I canno't see how you did not get that, unless you haven't even bothered to do a simple search on Tomorrowland).

When it comes to people on an open field of wheat I think that is a reference to increased influence between the classes in society (harvesting the minds of the field/population) to aquire great minds to replenish the upperclass (the future city in the movie), meritocratic cronyism (which the subjects all happily took part of!? - not all people can be bought).

Ignorance is only a bliss if you haven't reached awareness.
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Thank God Greta Thunberg was not around yet for another two,three years. Or Joe Biden or Alexandria Ocasio Cortez's agenas, either! (back in 2015(),

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it turned out to be a cheesy disney movie for kids


You are not very perceptive.

The movie poster displays the Disney logo. The movie trailers repeatedly splashed it was a Disney movie. The director made "The Incredibles" and "Ratatouille", aka movies for kids.

I was mislead to think this movie would be a sci-fi action


You are not very bright. This was a sci-fi action movie. The topic dealt with non-real worlds (aka Sci-Fi) and there were plenty of chase scenes and action.

Climate change is nonsense


Glad you think so but, considering your lack of perception for obvious details, you don't seem like a reputable source of critical thinking.


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What actual scene gave you the impression this movie had ANYTHING to do with climate change??? Got the impression the message was don't stop trying to come up with new ideas to help the old.

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