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Lazy writing, forced situations


Okay, I understand I'm probably in the minority here, but I had some major problems with the writing in the first episode. Some of my points (to follow) may seem like nit-picking, but taken altogether they show lazy, uncreative writing. And for the record, I didn't hate the show. It had some highlights and I'm still trying to decide if I should continue past the first episode. It seems to me there is a fun premise and a talented cast being weighed down with uninspired writing.

Lazy Example 1: Unrealistic, Forced Dialog

In the first scene Frank talks with the new mob boss, who tells him "I know you don't like me because the commission passed you over, you being my brother's underboss you think you should've been the next in line." The obvious intention of this line is to bring the viewer up to speed on what's going on in Frank's life. But the whole thing is so unnatural and forced. From the character's point of view, there's absolutely no reason he needs to summarize why he thinks Frank doesn't like him. It's just lazy writing, trying to cram an entire back story into one awkward line.

Lazy Example 2: Cliched Scene

Let's take the example of the train scene when he forces the young guy to turn his radio down and return the man's hat. This is an absolute cliche. We've all seen versions of this scene hundreds of times where the protagonist takes out some random young punk who just so happens to be causing trouble nearby. They couldn't think of anything new? Once again, lazy writing.

Lazy Example 3: Too many coincidences

-The man on the train who he helped also happens to be the man who witnessed them hunting.
-The cabin they break into happens to be the cabin of the one guy he tried to bribe. Shortly afterward, our characters find incriminating pictures.
-He's a former bar owner interested in buying a bar. Within 20 seconds of walking into his first bar in Norway, someone offers to sell it to him.
-He finds a sheep on the road and manages to drive it to the correct house mere seconds after the boy who lost it was just talking to his mother about it. The same mother and son also just happened to be sitting in the same train car Frank rode in on. Later Frank sees the mother heading into the same bar he was just invited to. Lilyhammer is a town of 27,000 people....not small enough for so many chance meetings.


Lazy Example 4: Forced dramatic situation

A wolf kills a boy's pet, and six adults sit around moping like a person has died. I'm going to make the assumption that a wolf popping up around Lilyhammer is at a bare minimum, not a rarity. It's understandable the boy and even his mother would be upset, but for the rest of them to all sit around so distraught just feels like a contrivance. The scene gets even more awkward when the police woman arrives and lectures them. It's like the writers realized they had a thin premise and had to add her for some additional drama. The whole thing felt really forced to me. As a side note, after knocking the police woman enters not from the outside, but from another room. What is up with that?

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If these sorts of thing make the show unenjoyable for you, then you probably won't like the rest of the show. But the thing is is that every one of those examples you gave is true, but that's a big part of what makes the show so fun for me personally. It just gets so ridiculous and unbelievable (combined with Van Zant's ridiculous and unbelievable acting/dialogue), that it just becomes a whole bunch of fun. It's almost like something like The Room, but intentionally bad.

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> It just gets so ridiculous and unbelievable (combined with Van Zant's ridiculous and unbelievable acting/dialogue).

That's very true. It helps to see this as nothing more than a silly comedy. As an actor, Steven hasn't improved since his days in The Sopranos.

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I totally agree about example one...forced dialog to get the viewer up to speed, but unfortunately it happens in almost every TV show or movie.

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And this is a sitcom, after all. Forced situations seems to be the DEFINITION of sitcom.

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How is Lilyhammer a sitcom?

It has comedy elements, sure. However In sitcoms characters don't develop or do so very slowly. Frank, Torgeir develop a lot in a few episodes

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Just because it is a sitcom doesn't mean it can't have character development or elements of drama/action. It is a sitcom because the drama is downplayed, instead focusing on the humor of the situation. Like when the Brits get killed, in a drama they wouldn't have died in a way that makes you laugh. Or how the character that works for Frank doesn't realize that Frank is a gangster until almost at the end of the second season.

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I did think about most of those examples myself watching the serie, especially if you watch that episode twice you might notice.
But i think you should continue watch it throughout even tho they keep on using abit of the "cliched scene" (classic "mafiamoviemoves") and especially the coincidences,. I hope they do it with some kind of humour or purpous tho, and aswell because of the watchers, make it more easy to watch.. also with the forced dialog etc.

the watchers might not be to used to movies, and series like this. its more light., easier to get!alot of ppl dont know the movietricks and maybe havent seen to much of that mafia *beep* to think of it as like overused classic mainstream out of ideaish :p
so to get them kind of in the setting,. like the train episode.
Its abit hard to explain.. but i suppose you get where i am going..
anyways,. please finnis the serie and come with more criticz!:D make me realize im not the only one thinking of theese "bugs"

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Boring writing, contrived criticisms.

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I had exactly the same reaction to every point you brought up. I really like the show a lot, but all of these things detracted a tiny bit from the show, in my opinion. I still love it, but there is way too much "just so" writing, so far. I'm only halfway through the first season, though.

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You make excellent points. However, I don't think these are show-breakers given that this is supposed to be an offbeat, quirky kind of show.

I haven't watched this show with too much scrutiny, if for no other reason than the fact that SVZ is playing a slightly-altered Silvio Dante. Once I heard him say, "What do ya know, what do you say?", I knew that I could put down my thinking cap. I understand that this show will not join the pantheon of the greats.

For me, it then boils down to characters. Are they interesting enough to be entertaining? The answer is... just barely. I did watch the first season (a mere 8 episodes), but at some point it felt as though I was doing it for a sense of completion rather than compulsion. The subtitles for me are a huge distraction and I am in no way enamored with the local tongue.

Overall, the show is a miss for me, but with limited quality programming, it manages to tread water.

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I felt like I had much of the same feeling watching the show.

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Yes, I too have noticed that the show has a LOT of unlikely coincidences that work out in Johnny's favor.

I have a new philosophy. I'm only going to dread one day at a time.

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Charlie Goose - you're exactly right.

SPOILERS AHEAD

There is a certain formula to each episode. It seems as though maybe around the halfway point, Gianni/Frank stumbles upon some evidence or information that can be used as currency to buy his way into something good or out of something bad. It all starts with the incriminating photographs of Jan. That gets him his liquor license. Those same photographs get him his younger and more fit waitresses. (I thought it was a nice touch when he returned the photos to Jan in the season finale after he got all he needed out of him.)

Gianni/Frank somewhat pressured the tree-hugger to give up his farm to make way for the high rise community, but it was really just luck that the wife had grown weary of that lifestyle and the guy sold his place. He used that to get a penthouse and partnership interest from Julius Backe and the other guy.

The pornographic art is used to get Backe's doctor to reveal Julius's true medical condition and obtain his medical record. What a terrible doctor, by the way! That information is used to regain a majority interest in the property. And so on and so forth. I do like the show, but it becomes a formula in what Gianni will find or buy and how he will capitalize on it to get the next thing he wants or avoid the next thing he wants to avoid.

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You know, I agree with every point of criticism in the first post, but for some reason, I enjoy the hell out of this show... Something about it just works for me. I enjoyed every single episode and was excited to see the next.

The only thing that actually bothers me is Silvio being 63 years old in real life (and he looks it), playing a tough guy that bags himself a sexy little thing like Sigrid.. just seems so implausible. As much as I loved this guy on the Sopranos, I just think they should have chosen a younger guy for this role.

Still love the show in spite of these things, however. I hope they make a few more seasons.

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