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Interesting but not accurate


Just returned from vacations in Norway and I decided to start watching this series so I could travel back to those beautiful places in my mind. That's what I liked about the show so far.
But even though I'm no expert in Norwegian culture there are a couple things I find extremely hard to believe even though I only watched 2 episodes:
-The scene with the annoying kids in the train playing loud music. Although teens are annoying in every country I'd find it hard to believe Norwegians would do that.
-They show Norwegians as hill billies. Even if in little Lillehammer people are more excluded from the rest of the world than their peers in Oslo or Bergen they won't behave like that. I've been to Bodo (similar # of inhabitants, but above the Arctic Circle, far from everything) and people are really open minded and NORMAL.
-In many scenes they show locals switching to norwegian when talking to Frank. In real life they will always talk to you in English as soon as they notice you're foreign. Even the street cleaners had better English than my sloppy Argentine English.
-I didn't have to deal (fortunately!) with the police but based on my experience with customs in Norway vs. in UK or US they are much more tolerant and less racist. So I find that situation with the policeman being an a## to that Muslim guy really hard to believe.
But again, it doesn't have to be precise to entertain. I could write hours about the inaccurate stuff Hollywood shows about my country.

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Lilyhammer is a sitcom, and not meant to be accurate, not even remotely so. It mocks prejudice by showing way over the top stereotypes.
In real life you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a person from any town and a person from say, Oslo (except from their dialect).
As a Norwegian in Seattle, people started asking me for directions after few days. I was taken for a Seattle native, appearing and moving like one (lot of Norwegian ancestry there).

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Well, actually people on the train playing loud music do happen a lot here in Norway. And it's really annoying,and it stems from a mix of preferring to not have contact with strangers, and those annoyed by the loud music notwanting to make a fuss, and of course not wanting to speak to strangers. I know. It's a little weird.

Foreigners seem to describe us at first as shut in and kind of conservative, and that's actually to a high degree correct, but the same people also say they've never had better friends, so we're just cold on the outside at first.
As a norwegian I see it as a healthy degree of scepticism, but other people might think something else. As I mentioned, it's a little weird.

When it comes to the hillbilles, I do agree with you a bit. Now, as you mentioned you were in Bodø, in Northern Norway.
What you might not be aware of is that there are actually regional differences when it comes to personality traits here in Norway. At least traditionally. I come from a place 20 minutes outside Oslo, so you must keep this in mind when you read this, but we tend to look at people from northern Norway as more outspoken and friendly. We also believe they swear more,
and that might seem stupid, but actually you can call a police officer a horsecock in Northern Norway and have no problems,
while if you do that in Oslo you would get a fine.
Currently I'm studying in southern Norway, in a city called Kristiansand, which is in what we norwegians call ''The bible belt'', and as you might guess religion is stronger here than in other parts of the country.
Here there are also some personality traits, and while of course not everybody have them, you still notice them. Here in the southern part of the country they tend to shy away from conflict more then say Oslo. I actually noticed this myself after moving here. In Oslo, if a bike was stolen or went missing, one would go to the neighbour and ask straight out if they have seen anything or perhaps know something about the missing bike. I most cases people would say no ( because who would be stupid enough to steal from their neighbour) and that would be that. No hard feelings, just understanding that this was a bad day for the bike owner.
Here in Kristiansand, my neighbour did this. While asking me if I had seen or heard anything he made sure that he was not in any way suspecting me or my housemates. He made sure of this 6 times while asking me. This is just one out of many situations I've experienced this.
So there are some regional differences

The rest of you're points I totally agree on.
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Okay. You about that.

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There are a lot of inside jokes in the show about Norwegian culture. And, in order for them to be inside jokes, they have to be based on some sort of reality.

I'll give you one example. In the early going, Frankie is talking to an immigration counselor. The counselor asks him what he would like to do for a living. Frankie says, "I would like to open a sports bar."

Now, if you know anything at all about Norway's liquor laws, they are very strict, and about the only way to get a pub license is to inherit it. So, when Frankie said he wanted to open a sports bar, it was equivalent to saying that he wanted to marry into the royal family.

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Thank you very much for the explanation. American customs are very influenced by region as well.

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I've never been to Norway, so I can't comment on how accurate the show is. However I can see what you mean about the language.
It is weird watching the show having Johnny speak in English and having some other characters speak back to him in Norwegian. How has Johnny become so fluent in Norwegian that he understands what they are saying and yet he very rarely responds in the language?

I feel this is an attempt to appease both English speaking and Norwegian speaking viewers. They don't want it to be all in English, but they don't want it all in Norwegian either, so they mix it together.

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No, this normal, immigrants speaking English for a period while they learning Norwegian, and getting answered in Norwegian. Most Norwegians understand English, so you can get along for a long time without learning to speak Norwegian, just like Johnny does.


In Cod we trust.

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So how does Johnny understand what they are saying to him if he doesn't speak Norwegian? I get he would know some words, but they speak full sentences and quickly, just like they are having a conversation with another Norwegian.

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The pilot episode shows him studying Norwegian while he is traveling. Likely a saturation course like Rosetta Stone. It's brought up a lot in the beginning of the series actually.

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That's true, but spending a few days (or weeks, and probably even months) listening to Rosetta Stone would not make you as good at a language as he is. Maybe he's a prodigy! ;)

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Did Johnny strike you as a guy sitting home listening to Rosetta Stone?
The series gives a correct picture of how many foreigners pick up spoken Norwegian before they start to speak it, I do this every day.
Anyone understands you if you speak English anyway, I guess that's a reason why many people are slow in starting to speak Norwegian.
Besides, Johnny would have been rather dim if he wasn't able to pick up some Norwegian phrases in a few months, and he didn't strike me as that.

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I always figured it was because Van Zandt didn't want to (or couldn't in time) learn his lines in Norwegian. I can understand Italian and Spanish, but am too shy and lack confidence to reply in turn, so I am OK with that. I would love to hear Van Zandt's accent if he did. Some of the subtitles are English to English as well, which is odd. Actually I have wondered and would like to hear from some of the very helpful Norwegian commenters here how accurate the titles are- that's usually a shortcoming in any "foreign" show (a la "Prisoners Of War").

Just finished Season 2 and it revived my interest. Erratic but enjoyable in any case; anyone who faults it for being inaccurate misses the point of broad humor.

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Yeah, well, the show was created and is primarily written by two Norwegians, sooo...

That rug really tied the room together.

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LOL who cares? Get a life!

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