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Evil Alec meets Naive Alec -- transcript and comments.


The following is my transcription of the conversation between Naive young Alec and Evil old Alec, from slightly over half way through episode 4.4. Alec has just stomped away from a conversation with Curtis Chen and Kiera, during which he expressed his disgust with the babble and mumbo jumbo from The Traveler. (I transcribed that here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1954347/board/nest/248701957).

The traveler strikes Naive Alec in the forehead, with two fingers. It is a relatively light touch, but Alec is dazed. The camera spins around him, and when it is behind him, and we can see what he sees, he is standing in the middle of Evil old Alec's private apartment in his sky castle, staring at the back of Old Alec, as he stands in front of a huge window.

Evil old Alec starts to sense he is not alone, just as he begins to turn around the walls of his study change to featureless white panels. When he turns around, young Alec exclaims "Holy *beep* And, on my broadcast, there was a break for commercials.

Evil Alec: What is this? What's happening?

Naive Alec: I don't know. Who are you?

(Evil Alec walks towards naive Alec.)
Evil Alec: I forgot how innocent I was.

(Naive Alec in turn walks towards Evil Alec)
Naive Alec: You're me.

Evil Alec: How is this happening?
Are you in my dream, or am in yours?

Naive Alec: It is not a dream. It is a paradox. He must have wanted us to meet.
I think Naive Alec is mistaken. In a single threaded Universe eeting a version of yourself IS a paradox. But Red Alec already met Green Alec, several times, and he never thought those were paradoxes.

I don't think the two Alecs met physically. I think The Traveller instead opened a way for them to share a dream-like encounter, with their physical bodies staying put.Evil Alec: He?

Naive Alec: The Traveller. A time traveller.

Evil Alec: Time travel? A theory no longer, I see.

Naive Alec: You are way beyond theory. Every thing you have done,
all the (mumble) stuff ...

(pensive)
Evil Alec: I haven't done anything.
Yet.
Now I am wondering if it is a good idea.

Naive Alec: So what is this?

Evil Alec: The Universe is shifting, sweeping destiny along the way.

Naive Alec: Because I met Eddie.

(gasps)
Evil Alec: You aren't supposed to meet her yet.

Naive Alec: You loved her.

(Evil Alec gazes off, wistfully)
Evil Alec: Profoundly, in spite of myself.

Naive Alec: How long were you together, before she became ill?

(Evil Alec becomes agitated)
Evil Alec: Who told you that?
That is a story to be fed to others!

I killed her.
She came to see me for who I really am.
She ran, she tried to escape, I sent forces to chase her.
Before I could track them down she took her own life.
I destroyed her, and I lost myself, because of it.

I can't undo it.
(looks up at naive Alec)
But you can.Here we see another parallel between evil old Alec and evil Green Alec. Evil old Alec obsessively loved a woman who deserted him -- this Eddie gal, and he sent minions to track her. Is this similar to Green Alec obsessively devoting his undecided attention to tracking Emily and Red Alec?
Naive Alec: How?

Evil Alec: I think if I had known how I would have done it.

(confused)
Naive Alec: (mumble) me who is supposed to have the answers...

Evil Alec: Maybe it is the other way around.
Maybe I am here to learn from you.

(shakes his head)
Naive Alec: (gasps) Of course; the message; Kiera;

Evil Alec: Kiera?Why keep secret from old Alec how he employed Kiera? He can't be worrying about altering history, can he?

Naive Alec: Kiera Cameron, the one you ... (shakes head) never mind.

(animatedly)
Yeah, you made mistakes, but your instincts are right.
Time travel, the power to change things. It is not an experiment.
It is the answer.

Do it.Wait a second! Kiera, Lucas, Garza, Sonya, Travis, all think monkeying with time is a huge mistake. How is it that Alec hasn't clued in?

(Evil Alec steps even closer. He smile an innocent smile. When the
camera pans to Naive Alec he has a look of accomplishment and
satisfaction on his face.)

(Evil Alec touches naive Alec, and the spell is broken. Evil Alec is
once again looking out the window of his sky castle. He rolls up his
sleeves, as if he has work to do.)

(A brief series of scenes play out.)
Evil Old Alec meets Kagame, in prison, and hands him the completed timesphere. Kagame says: "I don't understand." When the camera shifts to Alec, he has the evilest grin of both Continuum, and X-files, and says, menacingly, "you will".

I think we may have seen this exact scene, in a flashback, in season one -- but without being able to hear what they said to one another.

The timespere is fully assembled. In season two we learned, from Jason, that the freelancers can track the timesphere -- if it is assembled. How come they don't track the completed sphere in 2077? How come we didn't see them tracking it in season one?
Next, we see old Alec tell Jason-2077 about the generator beneath the execution chamber. Jason is not a fruitcake in 2077.

Finally, we see old dictating that first memo to young Alec. It might be the same night The Traveler arranged for young Alec meet old Alec.

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I'm bumping this, because I think it is important, and it was a lot of work to transcribe.

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I'm kicking this, because it was a lot of work.

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With regards to this:

The timespere is fully assembled. In season two we learned, from Jason, that the freelancers can track the timesphere -- if it is assembled. How come they don't track the completed sphere in 2077? How come we didn't see them tracking it in season one?


This is supposedly the original timeline, yet to have any form of time travel. I would think the Freelancers do not exist.

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This is supposedly the original timeline, yet to have any form of time travel. I would think the Freelancers do not exist.
Of course the Freelancers existed in the 2077 Kiera came from.

Warren, the dapper black freelancer, is from 2077. There is an episode where we see him try to stop Jason Sadler from doing something in the control room underneath the execution chamber. He fails, the vortex opens to the past, and both he and Jason stumble into it.

Second, after we learn that the Freelancers have microdots tattooed between their fingers, there is an episode where Travis meets with a despondent Curtis Chen, in prison, in 2077. They have a conversation that seems pregnant with hidden meaning -- now never to be properly explained. After Travis leaves we see that Curtis has Freelancer microdots.

Third, Evil old Alec and Jason talk about the Freelancers, in 2077.

So, the Freelancers definitely exist, in 2077.

WRT to you first point, my interpretation of the model of time used in the show is that there is no "original timeline". Because it uses the branching multiverse model of time I call them "branches of time". Timelines implies they don't cross, or branch, when we know from the show that they do. They are tangled. My interpretation is that no branch of time is special. None is the original. It may merely seem like the original to the observer from that branch.

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IMDB's unpredictable rules for expiring comments has shrunk how many are retained, and I continue to think this thread is interesting enough to be kicked, so it doesn't expire.

I've made several attempts to have the extended quote in the first comment in this thread saved in the "quotes" section. Those attempts have been rejected, without explanation.

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