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The Real Influences as provided by Suzanne Collins


The influences for Suzanne Collins' "Hunger Games" all makes sense to me now. I got tired of the revolving messages where people are throwing rocks over the fence and found a couple of good interviews.

She read "Lord of the Flies" (1954 novel) as a teenager. It is one of her favorite books. In this dystopian novel a group of boys are stranded on an island because of a plane crash. The island essentially becomes like an arena where they turn against each other because of multiple reasons. Paranoia sets in because part of them think there is a monster on the isle. Some refuse to do chores for the common good. Essentially tribes are formed where they scheme against each other.

She enjoyed and was influenced by "1984" (1949 dystopian novel) and "Brave New World" (1931 utopian novel).

She loves "The Lottery" (published 1948) which is a story where a village of about 300 people have a yearly lottery event. Each family removes a piece of paper from a black box. If a family gets a slip with a black dot a second drawing occurs for individual family members. Whoever removes a slip with a black dot gets stoned to death by children who have gathered rocks.

She was also a Greek mythology fanatic as a child and influenced heavily by Theseus and the Minotaur. In this story King Minos of Crete won a war against the Athenians. He then demanded that seven Athenian boys and seven Athenian girls were to be sent to Crete every nine years to be devoured by the Minotaur, a half-man, half-bull monster that lived in the Labyrinth.

She grew up in a military family where her father served in the Vietnam War. Her father also grew up in the depression where hunting was important to survive. He would go into the woods and bring back all kinds of mushrooms (to be cooked for eating) during her childhood. Her mother would not let family members eat them but her father never got harmed by them. This inspired her to also read a lot of wilderness survival guidebooks.

I could not find where she mentions "The Running Man" in any interview but perhaps I missed it.

EDIT* Corrected a grammar issue. The only missing element from all of her influences is the television glamorization of the event. It would make sense that "The Running Man" provided it.

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Oh, look, this is such an important thread but no one's replying to you, they're too busy replying to the "This ripped off Battle Royale" troll threads.

I always thought the legend of Theseus and 1984 were huge influences! Glad to be correct.

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She was also influenced by The Wrinkle In Time series by Madeline L'Engle.

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Not to mention the Btooom anime.

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I think I'll read these books while waiting one more year for another movie. I'm especially interested in The Lottery and 1984. I don't know if I read the Lord of the flies but I heard about the book many times so I'll read it too.

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The Lottery is actually a short story--one of the most famous, actually. It was banned in a few countries at the time of its publication. You may be able to find it on the internet.

Thanks to the OP for the info!

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The Lottery is actually a short story--one of the most famous, actually. It was banned in a few countries at the time of its publication. You may be able to find it on the internet.

You beat me to it.
Yes, "The Lottery" is a short story that first appeared in "The New Yorker" and caused an almighty stink at the time with many readers cancelling their subscriptions in disgust. (Although its author, Shirley Jackson, later wrote that she got a lot of mail from readers who thought it was based on real events, and wanted to know where they could go to watch it...)
You shouldn't have any trouble finding it online, and it can be easily read in a lunch break.

I wasn't previously aware that Collins had confirmed "The Lottery" as an influence, but compared with some of the works suggested (often dubiously) as influences its one I can absolutely believe she was familiar with. (Indeed, I really can't imagine her not being.)
It's not quite as well-known outside America (I only knew about it because I saw a TV movie based on it some time back), but it's very famous in the States and is often taught at school.

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I often find myself wondering if there were any books that WEREN'T banned, at some point, during the 50s and 60s (Outside of those, written after the 60s). It seriously feels like almost every good book that's ever been written has been banned, at some point.

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You can also read a short story called Harrison Bergeron By Kurt Vonnegut

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You can also read a short story called Harrison Bergeron By Kurt Vonnegut

Good call.
I know grown men who consider that their favourite short story of all time, and get all dewey-eyed at its mere mention.
I think we've got the basis for a decent dystopian reading list here...

BTW: Collins has described Slaughterhouse-Five (also by Vonnegut) as one of her favourite books when she was a teenager...

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"The Lottery" was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the first film. And I totally agree with The Running Man, I watched it a few months ago, it's an awful film but the premise of televised human hunting is like HG's

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The Running Man is your typical 80s action film. The book is quite different, though. For starters, there is no arena. The game lasts 30 days. Everyone is a volunteer.

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The film was cheesy, but fun. It was a Schwarzenegger film. What more, need be said?

The book was fantastic, though. Gotta admire King.

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I loved the movie, don't get me wrong, but it was very much a product of its time.

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If its any consolation Battle Royale 2 suffered from the same issues. I guess they were banking on JLaw's star power and nothing else. Why else would they attempt to remake the poorly received Battle Royale sequels?

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"The Hunger Games: Catching Fire" is a story about more danger in this sequel to the postapocalyptic fable. As Katniss and Peter travels through the districts on a "Victor's Tour," a rebellion gathers steam around her.. Out of desperation, they try out and (inexplicably) get accepted into the coveted internship program at Panem.

As the outcasts among the much youthful majority, the two guys struggle with their group of other misfits to snag those elusive job slots over all the other candidates.

The story of misfits trying to fit into an establishment and succeed is so familiar. This story was just recently tackled in R-rated form in Pixar's "Battle Royale." This movie follows that tried and true formula to the letter, from being put down hard at the start to winning big at the end against all odds.

Here though, the setting just shifted from a Japanese university campus to Federated States of the fictional nation of 'Panem', and that was THE one interesting aspect of this film. If those were the real perks of actual 'Panem' staff (unlimited free food, nap pods, bubble cars etc.), then we would all like to live there! Many people criticize this film for being a big 2-hour advertisement for the Wienstein Corporation. However, without this innovative setting, the rest of the film would just not stand up.

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When I first read it I was floored at the differences between the movie and the story. It seemed to me like the only similarities were the title and the deaths-for-entertainment. Story is light-years better.

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A useful link covering some of her influences:
http://www.slj.com/2008/09/authors-illustrators/a-killer-story-an-inte rview-with-suzanne-collins-author-of-the-hunger-games/

One of the things that critics often miss here is just how important an influence her father was on THG. Reading between the lines, it's pretty obvious that Katniss's relationship with her father is at least partly based on Collins's own experiences, and her father being a Vietnam vet was a big factor in the PTSD and war tragedy aspects developed in the later books.

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Brave New World is a dystopian novel, not a utopian novel.

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Actually it could possibly be argued as both. I debated on which to put in my comment and found entire forum threads arguing over which it might be. I had to read the book in high school but don't remember much about it.

If I remember correctly, it is about a world where the masses are brainwashed to not know any better. The people live in blissful ignorance basically. The majority is happy which is like a utopia. Having said that, the world is screwed up so it could be also called a dystopian novel.

Or maybe it is a fake utopia in a dystopia?

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Here is one of the threads that I found to be interesting
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/18173-utopia-or-dystopia

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Yeah, I don't know. They visually deal with this subject matter in the film Equilibrium and, seeing it brought to life, like that, it looked like a pretty crappy deal. I guess it breaks down to perspective: Can that artificial happiness ever be considered real, if you feel that it's real? It's kind of enough to drive a person crazy, just thinking about it.

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I could not find where she mentions "The Running Man" in any interview but perhaps I missed it.
She's has said a number of times that she has read all of Steven King's books and he was a huge influence on her. She may never have specifically stated Running Man. (but it seems pretty obvious.)



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This is a great info and thank you for posting it OP.

The fact is that the book (or movie) has the similar idea to 'Battle Royal' is simply a coincidence in my opinion. For years I read and watch Japanese Manga and comic books, the idea of making young people killing each to choose the strongest had been used over and over again in fighters, Ninjas or samurai stories. I watched some Japanese movies but in fact the idea was not used that much from the movies I watched.

Japanese actually has a very strong caltural to make their people to adapt to environment since they were young. The stories might be too brutal but they input ideas to children about displines and survival instincts. Hence 'Battle Royal' was created.

The books are simply used the same idea that is probably an experience that happened else where in the world and it is nothing about copying Japanese' ideas.

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It is easy to go to a comment thread and just put troll comments while ignoring what is listed by other posters.

Lets see you actually read the comments in this thread and disprove that Hunger Games information came from legitimate sources listed above. You can't because you are just a troll. You have probably never even heard of the literature listed in the OP post above and just ignore it because it is far above your ability to comprehend.

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There is no discussion here. You haven't discussed one single item that is listed in the thread. Goodbye.

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You copied me. I posted that exact same thing about Tarantino last month. You intellectual thief you. I am suing you for copyright theft.

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But why did Collins lie about her influences after ripping off BR2?
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The question is equivalent to "do you still beat your wife?" It asks about something that never happened. There is little resemblance between BR2 and Hunger Games.

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