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One of the Best movies I have seen in the last 10 years

posted 4 years ago by arflexit (2376)
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Saw it this weekend, great great movie. rate it somewhere between 9 and 9.5 out of 10. The acting, story, pacing, cinematography, score, practical and special effects all top notch. The race scenes were absolutely incredible.

Some of the negatives I will admit (though few) are noticeable.

First being Josh Lucas's character they made a little too generic corporate caricature than an actual antagonist. You never get a real sense of his motivation other than not liking Ken Miles and actively sabotage the efforts to win, instead maybe have it something along the lines of him being more dedicated to ford as an image; so he was not so generic, predictable and bland.

Also giving a little more character to the Ferrari side and racers might have served the plot better, instead of the time given to the corporate middle men's efforts to violate the integrity of the Shelby team.

Last but not least, get rid of the scene with the wife driving fast. like 2 scenes earlier she was encouraging him to keep racing (which was awesome) then she is all pissed off because he went with Shelby? It was bizarrely inconsistent.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Yes, Ferrari has almost nothing to do with this story. That was disappointing.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

And yet you rate it 9.5 out if 10? So much for credibility.

[–] Jehosaphet (1055) 4 years ago

Well he DID say it was one of the best movies he'd seen in ten years. Sure, it had some flaws...most movies do, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a 9.5 in his book. Was pretty close to that in mine.

[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

Exactly, a film can be good or even great in-spite of its flaws. And just because a film is very well done and effective in delivery does not mean we should ignore any of its shortcomings. Ford V Ferrari is an extremely well done film with a few things I thought were enough to make it less than perfect, and worth noting. There are very few 'perfect' films out there but as I said this is one of the best I have seen in quite some time;

[–] Jehosaphet (1055) 4 years ago

Agreed...this was one of those movies that I found myself realizing that I was enjoying it more than I had any other movie in recent history...while viewing it, you know?
I think I was sold at the scene where you saw Ford's smile fade..."He said you're not Henry Ford". Goddang that was a good scene.

Yeah my sentiments echo yours pretty much. Except I'm not sure that his wife was pissed because he went with Shelby, but because he wasn't communicating...he wasn't letting her in on his thought process during the consideration. I think, anyway.

Also kind of interesting because if you think about it, Ferrari were really the underdogs here...essentially a starving artist going up against the corporate printing press...for lack of a better analogy. In that sense, yeah I wish they'd have gotten in to their side of things a bit more.

[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

Yeah that scene with "you're not Henry Ford" was very well done. The supporting cast all did a great job with the acting and delivery. All very good.

Yeah I think I kind of got that too out of her protest, it just seemed totally out of character for her. It is the only scene that felt over acting and like 'cliche' if that makes sense.

Yeah that is true too; the whole aspect of Ferrari being the 'artist' versus the corporation really did go unexplored which was unfortunate. But still you got to see a little bit of the artist vs corporation with Josh Lucuas's character. I wish they would have showed that corporate vs artist idea in the Henry Ford II against Enzo Farreri instead of Shelby vs Josh Lucas's character somehow.

[–] Jehosaphet (1055) 4 years ago

Ohhh I get what you're saying. And yep, you're absolutely right, it...yeah, it wasn't the same woman there for a minute, was it?

"I wish they would have showed that corporate vs artist idea in the Henry Ford II against Enzo Farreri instead of Shelby vs Josh Lucas's character somehow."
x2

[–] Forky (1739) 4 years ago

lol

[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

? :) ?

[–] johnmiller (3318) 4 years ago

I thought that it was very good. But, director James Mangold, to me, is a workmanlike director. By that, I mean he's more of a just get the job done kind of director.

So, while everything was done well, and had great cinematography, the movie, for me, didn't have the spirit of something like Ron Howard's "Rush" from 2013.

[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

I think that is actually one thing I appreciated more about this film, it wasn't trying to pretentiously be more than it was; it had a story to tell it did so with great cinematography, pacing, tense race scenes, and great acting. It did not try to get too bogged down in 'emotional scenes' or try over dramatize (maybe only a few scenes did that). It got the job done and didn't drag.

I have not seen the film Rush yet, but I have heard several good things; I need to find a time and watch it.

[–] Sarmoviefan26 (1368) 2 years ago

Well I loved both movies I did like Rush more
Rush it’s more uplifting and exciting, the races are more heart pumping.

Another thing I like better in Rush is the rivalry, you see both sides all the time and you root for both guys Nicky Lauda and James Hunt.
With Rush I felt like I knew my characters better and felt more invested in the story.

[–] R_Kane (15828) 4 years ago

I’d recommend that everyone who has posted on this topic see the documentary, Shelby American, that’s on Netflix. It details the facts of Carroll Shelby’s role in the Ford Le Mans program, including the fact that Enzo Ferrari insulted Shelby personally, causing Shelby to vow that he would “kick Ferrari’s ass.” It also reveals that Enzo was NOT a wealthy man. He insisted on putting every lira into the Ferrari racing effort, while Ford had, literally, an unlimited budget. Even today, 25 percent of the sale price of every street Ferrari goes straight to the Prancing Horse’s Formula 1 team.

[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

Truth is almost always more interesting than the films depict. I have read quite a bit about Shelby and this story particularly. A look at the documentary might be worth while too.

[–] BeaSouth (2767) 2 years ago

I’m curious what the insult was? Do you recall from the documentary three years ago?

[–] rockball (2) 4 years ago

I felt the wife's scene was really good, and that character shone through in spite of the limited screen time she got. Her love for Ken, her caring for his passion, and livelihood came out pretty well and felt consistent as well.

[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

I Don't know; I do not think that scene in the car showed her love, care for his passion or concern for his livelihood. What I got was her not being thrilled with supporting him and a feeling of betrayal for him not sharing what was on his mind. Which, IMO, was inconsistent with her character in the rest of the film where she was supportive and encouraged his passion. In addition to that, the scene came across as mellow dramatic, unnecessary and almost cliche.