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Recently I've seen a bunch of posts...

posted 8 years ago by intrepidami
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By people claiming to be Native Americans(they also all seem to be Cherokee)writing posts about the veracity of Bigfoot.

I'm a real genuine rare Native American! I am Abenaki.You probably haven't heard of us, they don't like to talk about it much. Make a great movie though, fighting, massacre, intrigue, cannibalism on the part of those wonderful civilized Brits.

anyway, they all say that their people had legends about them, so they must be true.

You know most native American cultures also believed the whole world is a turtle that we all live on, right? So based on this it's neing in a lot of our peoples lore, so it must be true theory..where's Finding Turtle Earth, the TV series?

My people created the Wen-di-go probably as a curse on the British soldiers found to have women and children's arms in their backpacks for food, when caught by the French. Does this mean there's Wendigos all over NY and Connecticut? Must be because we said so, huh?

We also started the Lake Champlain thing!

People see things all the time. Especially in the woods and around lakes. There's the no scat, no bones, no body thing. But there's also no evidence of it in the fossil record.

[–] AlarmedGibbon 8 years ago

Hey intrepidami, glad you chimed in!

In my various Bigfoot conversations, I've heard lots of people try to use Native American legends as credible evidence for this cryptid. Back when I was a Bigfoot believer, I did the same thing.

Thinking back to my mindset from when I was a believer, basically you just try to look for anything that could help corroborate what you already believe. As such, Native American legends are very tempting for Bigfoot believers. You naturally want to believe anything that confirms your worldview, and any information that threatens your worldview you give tons of scrutiny to, while taking old folk stories at face value.

Native Americans were steeped in mysticism, metaphysics, and legendary tales. You are correct, we should take stories of Bigfoot with the same grain-of-salt as the world turtle. These stories have much more meaning to their culture and history than they do to modern science.

[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

Then again, that doesn't explain the eyewitness accounts from the past few hundreds of years in this part of the world from people who WEREN'T native americans....

[–] Crustacean_Predation 8 years ago

most native American cultures also believed the whole world is a turtle that we all live on, right? So based on this it's being in a lot of our peoples lore, so it must be true theory

The important thing to note here though is that turtles are real. The concept as a whole may not be true, but they based it on something they knew did exist. They weren't making up new animals to explain important things. There's no reason to think they made up sasquatches either when they consistently used real animals for their lore.

[–] AlarmedGibbon 8 years ago

Remember though, Neanderthals only became extinct 40,000 years ago, and they weren't the only pre-human running around at the time.

Since there's no evidence for Bigfoot other than stories, no evolutionary antecedents, no fossil record, no modern remains, not even a single hair from a Bigfoot, nor any trace DNA, it's very possible that legendary tales of wildmen among Native Americans are holdovers from older times when there were actual wildmen. Or of course, they could be just stories.

Evidence always trumps stories. No evidence + only stories = hmmmmmm

[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

So which is it AG, were native americans smart enough to come up with stories like the ones being suggested as a preemptive means of keeping unwanted peoples away, or not smart enough to be able to tell the difference between sasquatches and "wild men"?

You seem to be wanting things both ways to suit your opinion again.

[–] AlarmedGibbon 8 years ago

I'm merely offering a possible explanation.

Believe me, if there were any good evidence for Bigfoot, I would be on your side on this issue. If good evidence for Bigfoot turned up tomorrow, I would be so excited.

I'm just not moved by stories of fantastic beasts anymore. Eyewitness testimony has proven to be just terrible. It's the worst possible type of evidence.

Here is an article from Scientific American: Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/)

By the way, it's always good to hear from you! And, I hope you're doing well.

I truly hope you can forgive any animosity between us in the past. I can give some friendly ribbing at times, but underneath, I'm a caring guy.

[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

by AlarmedGibbon » Believe me, if there were any good evidence for Bigfoot, I would be on your side on this issue.

As I've said MANY times before. I don't have a side on the issue. I'm not a "believer" as you continually try to suggest that I am, and I'm not a total "dismisser" like you are either.

Sad (or just telling) that this stance on the subject has been explained to you multiple times and yet you persist in trying to label me as being contrary to your opinion so you can then try to dismiss my comments as coming from a delusional individual and/or "believer" in fairy tales.

by AlarmedGibbon » If good evidence for Bigfoot turned up tomorrow, I would be so excited.

I'm just not moved by stories of fantastic beasts anymore. Eyewitness testimony has proven to be just terrible. It's the worst possible type of evidence.

In your obvious opinion regarding testimonies on this subject matter anyway.

by AlarmedGibbon » Here is an article from Scientific American: Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/)

Sorry, I'm just not moved by stories from the "official" side of this argument anymore since history has proven multiple times that they aren't always to be trusted.

by AlarmedGibbon » By the way, it's always good to hear from you! And, I hope you're doing well.

I truly hope you can forgive any animosity between us in the past. I can give some friendly ribbing at times, but underneath, I'm a caring guy.

Once again, you give yourself too much credit for being able to inspire such "animosity".

And FYI, "friendly ribbing" never includes implying others are delusional and/or outright liars while trying to give the impression you're being cordial.

Sad that that's been explained to you multiple times too yet you persist with that duality as well in these discussion.

[–] AlarmedGibbon 8 years ago

Sorry, I'm just not moved by stories from the "official" side of this argument anymore since history has proven multiple times that they aren't always to be trusted.

You mistrust the scientific process that has produced the best knowledge of the world in the history of humanity over the last several hundred years...

But you put full faith into stories of fantastical creatures based on nothing more than stories with zero corroborating evidence, eye-witness testimony being the most flawed of all evidence.

Makes perfect sense, I see your logic =D

I have a feeling that if the scientific process was confirming evidence of Bigfoot, you'd suddenly be a lot more trusting of their conclusions ;)

Funny how people cherry pick evidence for what they want to believe, and discount anything that goes against what they already believe. This happens with Bigfoot believers like yourself all the time. Hehehehe.

[–] WhoToTrust 8 years ago

by AlarmedGibbon - You mistrust the scientific process that has produced the best knowledge of the world in the history of humanity over the last several hundred years...

But you put full faith into stories of fantastical creatures based on nothing more than stories with zero corroborating evidence, eye-witness testimony being the most flawed of all evidence.

Makes perfect sense, I see your logic =D

I have a feeling that if the scientific process was confirming evidence of Bigfoot, you'd suddenly be a lot more trusting of their conclusions ;)

Funny how people cherry pick evidence for what they want to believe, and discount anything that goes against what they already believe. This happens with Bigfoot believers like yourself all the time. Hehehehe.

So what you're saying is, that even though I explained it to you AGAIN...just now...you still don't understand that you CLAIMING I'm a "believer" (who doesn't trust the scientific process) doesn't make me the believer you're apparently looking for with the obvious sole intent of trying to make look foolish.

And besides, I've already addressed the "doesn't trust the scientific process" claim you just made FOR me, but I've noticed that you've never addressed the convenient Catch-22 situation I've pointed out that's PART of the process you suggest everyone should apparently have total blind faith in.

It's funny that you're constantly accusing people of being delusional for cherry-picking, seeing what you say they want to see, and illustrating faulty logic, when that's what you just did. Hehehehe. 

So well done, you've basically discredited your OWN comments and "feelings" regarding this subject matter...and all because you obviously wanted to spew your same old obvious argument...AGAIN. ;)

[–] MWallace777 7 years ago

So many people believe they have seen one, I believe them but no proof. Why no scat, no body, no bones, no abandoned babies?

I have to wonder if they are super natural, it reminds me of people who have seen shadows or ghost. No proof but they can not deny what they have seen. Do our minds play very serious tricks on us? I don't believe all these people are just liars or mistaken.

[–] AlarmedGibbon 7 years ago

You're on the right track with your questions, MWallace.

The word "liars" makes people sound so nefarious, or ill-spirited. Try to think of it this way.. they're trying to tell a good story. Haven't you ever embellished a story in the telling? I know I have. It can actually be a very hard urge to resist.

You get attention, a rapt audience, it makes you feel cool, and it makes the person hearing the story feel kind of cool too. It doesn't feel like you're tricking people, it feels like you're making everyone have a good time.

Maybe they'd kicked back a few drinks at the time. Maybe they heard some strange sounds in the forest that spooked them.

See what I mean?

The greatest trick God ever pulled was convincing the world that He's good.

[–] WhoToTrust 7 years ago

by AlarmedGibbon » You're on the right track with your questions, MWallace.

The word "liars" makes people sound so nefarious, or ill-spirited. Try to think of it this way.. they're trying to tell a good story. Haven't you ever embellished a story in the telling? I know I have. It can actually be a very hard urge to resist.

You get attention, a rapt audience, it makes you feel cool, and it makes the person hearing the story feel kind of cool too. It doesn't feel like you're tricking people, it feels like you're making everyone have a good time.

Maybe they'd kicked back a few drinks at the time. Maybe they heard some strange sounds in the forest that spooked them.

See what I mean?

The greatest trick God ever pulled was convincing the world that He's good.

Annnnd STILL no answer to the simple question of why AlarmedGibbon spends SO much time here trying to get EVERYONE to believe that there's not even a possibility that Bigfoot could exist.

See what I mean?