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Why did Russians

posted 12 years ago by titantronv1
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Invade Europe? I don't understand part. Makarov launches Chemical attacks against Europe,then the Russian army decides ''Screw US lets get Europe'' I'm lost can someone explain.

[–] RuiBK 12 years ago

He took over when he kidnapped the president. The only thing he didn´t have was the codes for the nuclear missiles.

[–] SEAL412 12 years ago

I'm copying and pasting what I wrote on another thread that asked a similar question:

The way I see it Makarov is the "leader" of the Ultranationalists in the loosest sense of the term. He isn't a political leader as much as he commands respect and loyalty of thousands of Russian forces the same way Zakhaev did.

He wanted to unleash terror on the West not for political strength but just to give the west the Armageddon he feels they deserved.

I was reading a book on the Cuban missile crisis and there were many Russian generals who, despite the costs, wanted an all out nuclear war with the west. They were just itching for that conflict but cooler heads prevailed (The same happened with Kennedy's defense department who wanted nothing more than to see Russian in one big mushroom cloud).

Remember the West has pacts with the US, such as NATo and Britain helped fight the ultranationalists in COD 4. So in his mind he doesn't just want Russian dominance or strength he wants to see the West (US and her allies) in utter ashes.

Remember what Zakhaev said "Just as they lay waste to our country, we will lay waste to theirs" and says that Russian leaders "prostituted themselves to the West".

Zakhaev almost triggered WW3 at the end of COD 4. Being his protege, Makarov doesn't need any political reason to destroy the west, it's just his mad concept of Russian dominance.

[–] Bacon_Statham 12 years ago

What SEAL412 said.

Makarov was a terrorist through and through. He craved anarchy. In many respects he's like The Joker (Dark Knight version). Both want to cause chaos and anarachy on a grand scale. To him it didn't matter which country was affected because he would've achieved what he wanted. Anarchy. If I remember correctly there was a newspaper clipping in Loose Ends on MW2 that detailed Makarov's reign of terror. He attacked his own country on many occasions.

The Ultranationalists in government would've been working for Makarov out of fear. He was basically the shadow leader of the Ultranationalist party. He pulled the strings in the background, whilst facilitating terror attacks to draw more people to his side.

Whilst Zakhaev was a brutal terrorist, I don't think he'd willing attack his own countrymen. Sure he may instigate a war where many of his countrymen would be killed, but he wouldn't order his men to walk into an airport and massacre innocent Russian civilians. That was Makarov's idea. In all fairness it wouldn't shock me if Makarov gave the intelligence to the SAS in 1996 that would culminate in the attempted assassination of Zakhaev. He wanted power. And we know this because of Yuri's comments in Blood Brothers. So if 'killing' his mentor gives him that power he'd do it.

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[–] smith365 12 years ago

I wonder what kind of piece deal ended this war. The Russians are clearly to blame even if misguided. They destroyed most of Europe and the eastern part of the US.

[–] Bacon_Statham 12 years ago

The way I see it is the Russian President only initiated war on the US because of Makarov's influence. This is kinda evident by the remarks he makes in the mission Turbulence to his advisors. He clearly doesn't want to start a war but Makarov's people inside the government would have influenced him to start one.

But once he realised how far it had gone after the events in New York he ordered a withdrawal, something which Makarov's people weren't happy about. They started a coup which culminated in the President's plane getting hijacked so he couldn't order a cease fire and then the people in government ordered the military to invade Europe.

I think the nuclear launch codes were Makarov's plan and only his. I think he intentionally kept his plan in the dark from his allies back in Moscow.

To be fair it is kinda obvious Makarov has got people in the government working for him even if it's not touched upon, because there is no way he could do all that he did without assistance. I feel the closest we got to that was the President's advisor on the plane. He seemed slightly shady and almost as if he was under Makarov's thumb.

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[–] Darius6 12 years ago

Some men just want to see the world burn. :)

[–] CovertThunder 12 years ago

Zakhaev in COD4 came across as one of the many Russian generals who felt misplaced after the collapse of the U.S.S.R. because of how well the West was prospering, while Eastern Germany reunified into the Federal Republic of Germany, the Warsaw Pact collapsed and there was a coup attempt in Moscow because of the collapse of the U.S.S.R. Zakhaev was probably able to use that to feed the Ultranationalist Party.
It's only after Viktor Zakhaev is killed that he attempted to unleash the nuclear ICBM's that would have kick-started a global nuclear war. I'm assuming Zakhaev had refrained from such actions until the death of his son triggered an phsychological breakdown.

Vladimir Makarov on the other hand, he came across as one of the people who shows up to the last half of a fistfight, then gets mad when everyone's tired and wants to go home, so he tries to start a brawl. If he did actually want a return of the U.S.S.R. it was most likely because he was born in the late 70's I think (According to the COD wiki) so he hasn't experienced anything like the Purges or the Cuban Missile Crisis. He wasn't around when the more drastic attrocities caused by the Soviets occured, and was more like Yuri than Zakhaev because he was fueling his rage at the West and his patriotism into the Ultranationalist Party.
However, that doesn't mean Makarov wasn't totally crazy to begin with. According to the COD Wiki again apparently Makarov was in the VDV in the Chechen Wars and orchestrated several "cleansing" operations that got him kicked out of the military. In al likelihood he was using the service to channel his inner murderer.

As to why the Russians invaded Europe, I think that wouldn't be a wise tactical decision. The Russians had just lost how many armored vehicles, tanks, helicopters, aircraft, personnel, etc. on the U.S. mainland, though there were a few months between the invasion of the U.S. and the invasion of Europe. In the cutscene on the mission "GoalPost" it shows Russian forces invading through the Czech Republic through Germany into France, with airborne forces getting all the way to Madrid and Rome, I think. Since the chemical attack was shown affecting most of Europe including Hungary and Poland it would seem that the main Russian armies were fighting through the former Warsaw Pact-states (Now NATO members) such as the Czech Republic. In the missions with the Czechs many many Russian helicopters are shown carrying APC's; that could mean they were merely flying through on their way to other combat zones, such as Berlin.

Since Germany is fully-red in the cutscenes perhaps the Russian airborne forces were repelled from France (The ending of "Iron Lady" seems to insinuate that U.S. and French forces succeeded) and now Germany is the main arena for World War III. Despite the broadcast in "Scorched Earth" that "Berlin is falling I refuse to believe that the Russians defeated Germany completely. Russia has suffered MANY MANY losses already invading other places such as France, Italy, Spain, etc. and they've had to carve their way through the Czech Republic (The Czech resistance would severely hamper Russian operations in Prague). Not to mention the other NATO members such as Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Poland, etc. are all going to have to fight the Russian Federation, so I imagine that the U.S. and the Bundeswehr are holding the line in Germany, if not in Berlin, possibly with aide from Denmark and France.

I will admit, it would be extremely difficult to mount such an invasion of Europe after a failed invasion of the U.S., but as someone else already said, Makarov was like the Joker from The Dark Knight; except that he had the entire Russian military at his disposal.

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