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Mary's Lie to Chuck (SPOILERS)


Does Ms. Mosley think that it's okay for a woman to trick a man into raising a child that isn't his? I watched the movie as a fan of Juno Temple and enjoyed it well enough, but I found the manner in which that side story was handled maddening.

Obviously The Brass Teapot is a morality tale, so where is the morality in Mary's despicable choice? Neither do I see anything praiseworthy about Alice's decision to not reveal the truth to Chuck. Her first loyalty is understandably to her sister, but that doesn't make her complicity in the lie somehow admirable.

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That's kind of the point. The sister is not a saint and Alice would just be revealing the truth. (As for complicit, she's been complicit in it for a long time and it was a constaint strain on their relationship.)

Alice just can't inflict the pain. Just like John can't kill a pedophile or whatever.

It's not about loyalty or morality. That choice Alice made there, I mean.

We in the audience can discuss what this or that real life person/fictional character "deserves" until we're blue in the face but in the end it's just a matter of that fictional character drawing the line somewhere.

It's not nihilism if there's a question mark at the end.

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My problem is that I got the distinct impression from that scene that we the audience are supposed to view Alice's decision as a moral good. Audience applauds Alice for doing the right thing felt like the cue to me.

I'm well are aware that the story and the characters in it are fictional.

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Didn't feel like it to me. Felt like she just chose to not hurt her sister and the sister's family for money. That's it. Whether it would have been more moral to tell Chuck the truth is up for discussion but it's irrelevant to the story.

I didn't mean to imply you were not aware it's fiction.

It's not nihilism if there's a question mark at the end.

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Exposing the lie for selfish gain, in my opinion, is significantly less moral than remaining complicit with the lie. That much, I'd hope, most could agree with.

As for the lie in the first place, as far as I can tell it was not covering up any infidelity (or at least that much is not known). I don't think they ever mentioned when the sister and her husband began their relationship, but she certainly seems devoted to him now.

Given that assumption, the lie seems tantamount to a white lie, and would actually be the moral choice from a utilitarian point of view. Other points of view might require visiting the sister's motivation for the lie, but let's be generous and suggest it was to avoid the strained relationship between not-quite-father and bastard-son. As long as it wasn't to cover up then and future infidelity, I see no harm in it. Ignorance is bliss, after all.

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Exactly - telling the truth would achieve nothing but hurt. It would have devastated everyone involved including the son. He obviously loves the boy and is a good dad so why risk tearing a happy family apart? (and particularly for money). As the others have said, there's nothing to suggest she cheated on her husband, I got the impression that she was pregnant before she met him

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