I am truly surprised there are no discussions in respect of this movie. It is so disturbing that I can't believe people were not moved to discuss it here.
sharethen, just start a discussion. you know how that works, right? asking other people to start sth so you can be a part of it is pathetic.....
shareWhat is there to discuss?Coprorate fascists always send out their cop thugs when they're challenged. Just look what happened to occupy wall street in the US.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
Yup and you haven't changed a damm thing, either.
sharePerhaps not enough people have seen this. I'm in the middle of it now and it seems to me that invading a press center must be really stupid. You'd think the journalists would write about nothing else until the government would have to step down.
The police in Sweden took a lot of bad press at the time, when there was a meeting in Gothenburg that turned the city into a war zone, and even though one young boy got killed nothing like this happened.
Did you ever see those deranged, drugged-out G8 protesters ? Frankly they are subhuman and deserve to be treated as such. The police wasn't hard enough, imo.
shareDo you even know what you're talking about?! Did you even see the movie? Because if you did, you should know that those people in Diaz school who were ruthlessly battered by the police - and whom this movie is all about - were peaceful activists and journalists! When the police came in the building, some raised their hands precisely to show they were peaceful, while others were just sleeping. They were all brutally kicked, with no distinction, boys and girls, activists and journalists altogether! After their abusive arrest, they sufferred further beatings and humiliations at the police station. They were innocent and the Italian judges set them free after three days of detention during which they had no right to an attorney! Amnesty International declared that this was the worst instance of human rights violation in a Western country since WWII!
Watch the movie first, then check the facts and only then come here and post sententious comments!
Doesn't the movie start with a black dude tossing over a car and randomly setting it ablaze with a molotov cocktail ? You know, the same black dude who by chance got caught up outside of Diaz during the police raid in the movie, but who clearly still had friends inside and who clearly was a member of "Black Block" ?
I stand by what I said, overall the police did the right thing there, if every anarchist manifestation would be met with the same stern response, the world would be a better place.
Jesus, your logic is terribly poor!!!
Did those activists and JOURNALISTS inside Diaz look like Black Block members to you?! Can't you get it?! They were peaceful! They were peaceful activists and journalists! They showed no violent resistance towards the police when the latter came in!
Let's suppose, for the sake of the argument, that there were some Black Block in there. Does this justify, in your opinion, the beatings and humiliations of ALL the people there? Really?
Even the Italian justice blamed those in charge in that day. They convicted their own. But I guess that's not enough for you. You know better...
I don't know why I even bother. You're obviously that kind of guy that wants to be right no matter what...
It's not that, it's just that I find it unacceptable to openly attack and provoke police/riot control forces, make *beep* riots while destroying other's property just for fun, and then be shocked and awed when the other side retaliates.
So yea, maybe there were peaceful protesters and whatnot inside that school, but remember that this movie is not a documentary, it's a dramatization aimed at over-playing certain aspects of the events.
However, as I previously pointed out, the film itself did imply and actually show that Black Bloc members were taking refuge in that Diaz school, so by association the other activists did know there were anarchists among them (this is also shown in the movie, btw).
And we don't have to convince each other who is right and who is wrong, it's sad to see that you have that goal in mind. Again, I just wish people around where I live would have more respect towards the law, and by extension, the people who are enforcing said law. I don't think it's fair for a poor guy, who is being payed a *beep* salary to enforce public order, to randomly get his head cracked open just because a couple of subhuman drugged out animals decided they want more extreme forms of fun...
I could start a political debate with you, arguing that those protests are more than mere "extreme forms of fun" and that your view on these things is way too simplistic, but I won't. All I want is to make a rather simple and reasonable point: nothing can justify that kind of vicious violence as the one depicted in this movie.
Being assaulted by "a couple of subhuman drugged out animals" doesn't entitle you to RANDOMLY and RUTHLESSLY batter people just because there might be some of those "animals" among them. As a law enforcer, you may use violence as a way of neutralizing someone who's already violent. Those "carabinieri" did much more than that. They surpassed the legal and moral limits of their duties as law enforcers and, in general, as human beings. They should have arrested those Black Block members inside Diaz (who amounted to a very small fraction of all the people who were there) and let the courts of law do their job.
Instead, they repeatedly and unnecessarily kicked people who weren't a threat for them in that particular moment. They acted like thugs who just want revenge and, as it usually happens with thugs, the victims - most of them - of their revenge didn't have anything to do with the previous clashes between anarchists and police. The fact that those peaceful activists might have been aware of the presence of anarchists among them does't mean that they deserved to be beaten the way they were!
I understand if you want those anarchists severely punished, but you should want that to happen in conformity with the law - that you seem to care so much about when it comes to the actions of the Black Block - and not at the expense of innocent people (even one innocent guy is more than enough in my opinion).
Disapproving of what the Black Block does shouldn't make you approve of ANY and EVERY police action.
I somewhat stand by your statement that law must be followed...But isnt the point of the law that only the offenders must be located, sent to trial, convicted and then punished? Or is there some new law with which the police is the judge and the jury? Not only that, but that its perfectly fine to ruthlessly punish innocent people in the process? What kind of law is that?
I dont't know how old are you, but imagine that you have a family ( maybe you already do ) and that you and your family were bruttaly beaten by the police just because u happened to be in the same place as some sort of offernders of the law? Whats next? If a terrorist is located in a train, bus, or some other place, is it perfectly fine to destroy that train or a bus, for the sake of safety of other people in the future? Ur walking a very thin line here, talking about the law, and yet you are avoiding the basic legal process.