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An In-Depth Explanation of the Movie


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I've skimmed through some of the posts on this site and it seems that a cogent understanding of the film is lacking. So, I thought I'd put in my two cents here. Not saying I know everything about what's going on, but I do have some significant points to make that will help out a lot of the people who’ve been left scratching their heads over this one. I hope this turns out to be a long but fruitful analysis of the story. Here goes:

It's important to note, first and foremost, that EVERYTHING we see in this movie takes place from Alicia's personal – distorted - point of view. Everything we see is a reflection of Alicia’s deepest fears, dreams, desires. Everything she encounters in her sphere of reality is seeking to be validated, accepted, and realized.

From the outset, we see that Alicia is struggling with some personal issues – some sort of intense spiritual/ identity crisis. I do NOT believe that she has a mental illness (as many have stated on this board), simply because I do not believe in the idea of mental illness. (And if you want me to argue about mental illness and how it doesn’t exist, then I can argue with you until the cows come home, lol.)

Alicia's main problem is that she has a very hard time understanding, accepting, and loving herself. She has several hang-ups about certain things that an ordinary person would not give second thoughts to. She is super sensitive, and she cares too much what other people think of her. She thinks that she is a nuisance to others and that she is not wanted. She is unable to live in the moment; she clings to what happened in the past and has a hard time forgiving others She has a hard time saying what she means and meaning what she says. Many times throughout the movie, we see her fears projected into the world, and her reality often confirms her suspicions (that she is insignificant, a nuisance, a bore, etc.).

It was suggested by one of the characters in the movie that she may have suffered some sort of abuse as a child. I think this is a significant point and will expand on it later in my analysis. Of course, an unresolved issue from the past, which has not been processed and healed, could definitely be the cause of much of Alicia's anguish.

It's also significant to note that several things that happen in the film are metaphorical in nature.

Take, for instance, the scene where Alicia covers the mirrors in and around her room with blankets. This scene signifies her inability and unwillingness to confront herself and her problems. She is unwilling to take a close look at herself and her inner nature. Most significantly, she is not able to embrace her dark side so that she can have a more complete and balanced sense of self. This is why we see her doing random weird things, like shoving her bare crotch in Brink’s face. Note that this is not her actual self acting out, but a split self that has been repressed and is struggling to achieve expression. This shadow self (to use a Jungian term) competes with her actual self in the fight for dominance.

What else is symbolic? The death of the bird, the abandonment of the puppy, and the drowning sheep. All three creatures are fragile/ vulnerable. To Alicia, they represent her own victimized self that is abused and killed by random individuals who kill and abuse just for the sake of it and because they can – I mean, from Alicia’s point of view. What is significant is the fact that Alicia BELIEVES herself to be a victim. Remember, her perception distorts the type of reality she encounters. The way she processes what happens to her and the way she assigns significance to events determines her state of mind and sanity (or lack thereof).

It is not that Alicia cares about the fate of the bird, the puppy, and the sheep because they are gentle animals deserving of respect. She cares about them because she IDENTIFIES with them to an EXTREME point! So much so that when she sees them hurt, it is like she herself has been hurt as well. Alicia cannot be compassionate yet detached… Most importantly, she cannot forgive Brink for what he’s done. She thinks he (and the others) are “sadists”, essentially painting them all with a broad brush of prejudice.

Going back to what I said about neglect and abandonment… The sheepdog that comes up to Alicia in the countryside and starts humping her thigh… Notice the way she responds to what the dog does. She is shocked and deeply disturbed. Anyone else would have just laughed and found it funny or even mildly gross, but Alicia finds the dog’s behaviour to be very threatening. Her squeamishness in this regard suggests that she could have expereinced some kind of sexual abuse as a kid. But of course, this is never fully spelled out for us. Later in the movie, we see the same dog driving the lone sheep over the cliff and into the lake. This dog’s role is to guide the sheep into their pens. Instead, it ends up drowning one of them by driving it “over the edge”. Maybe I’m reading too much into this but it seems to be a metaphor for Alicia suffering neglect and abuse at the hands of her parents/ guardian. Whoever was supposed to love and nurture her has played a great part in driving her “over the edge” psychologically – from Alicia’s perspective, of course.

Last but not least, Michael Cera’s character’s name is “Brink” and he seems to be a major catalyst in driving Alicia to the “brink” of despair. Not sure if this choice of name was intentional on the director’s part…

So, that’s it for the symbolism. (There’s probably stuff that I’ve missed so feel free to add your own comments.)

Oh, the scene where Alicia is hypnotised… I think she was faking it. Agustin evens asks her if she’s messing around with him and she agrees (while supposedly being under hypnosis). If you’re wondering why she’d hurt her hand on purpose, I think she did that just to get everyone’s attention and sympathy. This could have very well been her shadow self popping up again… Of course, you can counter-argue this point with me as I’m not married to it. But, to me at least, this inconsistency in her behaviour is pretty consistent with everything else we’ve seen.

By the way, if anything I’ve said seems to suggest that I think ill of Alicia, then I assure you that she had nothing but my empathy throughout the film (owing to Juno’s stellar performance, in large part). I really related to her, because I’ve been in many situations in the past where I’ve had to deal with extreme fear and paranoia. And the cause was simply insecurities I had about myself…

I digress, sorry….

Many who have watched this movie have said that it is pointless. I do believe that there is a message here though. This film seems to be saying that it is of supreme importance that we develop the courage to face our inner demons. Otherwise, we create much unnecessary pain and struggle for ourselves.

Just as a final note: I do not think that Alicia’s death was a bad thing. To be honest, we don’t know what death is about, and for some people death can be just what we need. We exit one reality and enter another one… that’s what death is to me. Nothing to be afraid of. So in a strange way, Alicia could have in fact experienced a rebirth, expect into a different version of reality. That’s definitely something to consider.

There are, of course, other weird explanations for what could be happening to Alicia. The moon (we see it fully visible in one scene) is known to affect the human psyche causing it to go all crazy and out of tune. Or, she could have become possessed by some entity lurking in the countryside. Not sure how that would work exactly, but it’s not something impossible, I think.

There is so much that is going on in the story… It’s hard to put everything down in an eloquent manner. Please feel free to post your own take on things as well as include stuff that I could have overlooked.

One thing I haven’t figured out is how Sara’s abortion fits into all of this. It has something to do with the theme of abandonment, but I’m not sure exactly what…

Any ideas?

I’ll sum up by saying that I really liked this film. And Juno was just amazing in it! She’s quickly becoming one of my favourite actresses.

Hope my two cents has been of value. Cheers.

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Hi There I Am ReallyCurious. How Do You See Mental Illness? Don't Want To Argue. Just Wonder

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See my Saturday, Sept. 28 post - if you haven't already. Cheers.

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You offer some good insight into the film. A lot more than most on these boards. I liked the film and thought it had something to say..That being said your attitude about mental illness bothers me so much. It's great that you've found something that works for you, but your attitude belittles and marginalizes very real mental health problems. It's insulting to tell a person struggling with something like Alicia had in the movie that "you just have a spiritual crisis, it's all right!"

Just look at the final scene to prove my point. Alicia was not dying, she was just very, very mentally ill. It's likely those witch doctors killed her with that frog they made her swallow and while she's laying there dead the quacks inform them "the spirit just has to come back to the body."

So I'll repeat Sara's response to sum things up: "What the **** are you talking about?"

Can't you see your crazy attitude is the same thing this movie is condemning?

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The fact that you refuse to "believe in" mental illness is disgusting to me. Mental illness is a real thing and while I understand if you don't have a clear grasp on the concept, not having experienced it firsthand, that does not mean that it doesn't exist.

Statements like this work against the very necessary process of bringing mental illnesses into the light and removing the stigma surrounding them. Ignoring the problem or pretending it doesn't exist doesn't help—There are real people with real problems that need your (and everyone's) help and understanding.

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I've done seven stints in a mental hospital since 2004. I do know what I am talking about. I was diagnosed with "bipolar disorder" in 2004. I had to take a year off university just to cope with my issues.

After years of doing research into my condition, I realized that my chief problem was that I was in a major spiritual crisis. I had very unhealthy thoughts that would manifest as psychological and physical pain. I didn't know how to love and accept myself unconditionally and I never took responsibility for my thoughts and actions. That was all there was to it. Once I took responsibility for my thoughts and became spiritually mature, there came a significant decrease in my manic/ depressive episodes.

The medical community believes that mental illness exists. They see one or two aberrations in a person's character and they find labels to describe it. The criteria for diagnosing someone with a mental illness is purely descriptive. That is, the doctors don't do any tests or exams to determine where exactly the problem lies. I'm talking about brain scans and things like that. They just put together a bunch of signs and symptoms, but have no real clues as to WHY people are suffering from these supposed "mental illnesses".

I do not believe in mental illness; but I believe in spiritual illness. And I think that everyone on this earth is suffering from a spiritual crisis of some kind. That is what makes us all human.

The reason why I have insight into Juno Temple's character in the movie is because I WAS once just like her. I have a lifetime of personal experience with this sort of thing. So while it doesn't make me an expert, it does give my views a certain credence in comparison to the views of others who have not much life experience in this regard.

Cheers. =)


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I do not believe in the idea of mental illness


I've done seven stints in a mental hospital since 2004. I do know what I am talking about



It appears you very well may be completely insane, better to be insane then to be so utterly IGNORANT of the world around you. Sorry to be so crass with you, but you really pinched a nerve with me here and it's the least offensive response I can muster.

To post such a thing as your belief and then pass it off as an informed opinion may be the most slanderous thing I've ever read on this site. Just because you may be in denial of yourself doesn't mean you should disrespect those around you who are not. It's posts like yours that persuades people to stop taking vital medications, medications that they need to stay out of institutions and lead productive lives.

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I agree with you mafarie; to think everyone that has suffered with a mental illness is "spiritually ill" is very insensitive to those really dealing with the effects of mental illness firsthand. There are several mental illnesses, I may add, that have been shown on brain scans as visibly present compared to normal control groups.

If someone wants to disregard their own diagnosis of mental illness then fine, but that doesn't mean the illness is not real.

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I find it funny that you don't think Alica has a mental illness because you don't believe in them, at least in regards to watching and reviewing films.... "I don't believe there are any aliens in Alien because I don't believe in aliens," is about on par with that logic.

You can say what you want about mental illness, and that's whatever. But saying you had been diagnosed with bipolar in order to justify your feelings doesn't really work as a comeback to the accusation that you don't know how brash you're being. If you were diagnosed with bipolar and believed in the diagnosis for even a day you would know how terribly the stigma surrounding it can hurt, and you wouldn't perpetuate that sort of ignorance.

Oh, and, "It is about a girl with a clinical case of paranoid schizophrenia."

Thanks for clearing that one up, Silva. (;

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I almost entirely agree with your explanation...
There are a few points I would like to add though...

To me it was pretty clear that Alicia was sexually abused by a parent/guardian/family friend...

You stated that you were unclear as to how Sara's abortion fit into everything.
I believe that Alicia was impregnated by her abuser and was either forced to have an abortion, or was physically abused to the point of miscarriage.
It all started with the puppy. Brink described the puppy as being sickly and covered in warts. It was damaged and unwanted. Then the lady (who's name escapes me) left it on the side of the road for dead. The annoyance of the puppies incessant whines drove the lady to leave it for dead. It wasnt worth the trouble to her. It was an unexpected burden, and it was easier to kill than deal with.
That explains her developing disdain for Brink, and her solidified disdain for the lady.
Then Brink kills the bird apparently without any rhyme or reason.
To him the bird was worthless. Again, she identified with the bird, and kept it in her pocket throughout the entire movie.
That solidified her disdain for Brink.
Sara was clearly the "mother" figure to Alicia.
She left her alone with strangers, and when Alicia came to her and said they had hurt her, Sara defended her friends and tried to convince Alicia that she simply "had a nightmare and had to shake it off". A mother in denial.
Agustin was the hardest character to figure out for me.
The only thing I can gather from his character is he was the "father" figure.
He seemed unshaken by most events except for what happens to Alicia.
Perhaps he was the father who knew something bad had happened, but wasnt sure just what.
That could explain the hypnotism.
He was trying to get inside her mind to find out the truth about what happened to her. Also, at one point in the film he was researching mental illness and hypnotism.
He seemed to be the only one who actually cared about Alicia.
Even Sara was more concerned about the trouble Alicia was causing instead of the fact that Alicia was troubled.
To me, Brink probably personified her abuser.
Alicia wanted to like him, but ultimately was terrified of him.
"I like it when he is nice".
Brink had a clear duality to his personality.
Came off nice and playful, but after some drinks, he puts on a bear costume and attacks Alicia. When Alicia defends herself, he blames her and plays it off like Alicia is crazy.

Put it this was...

Fun Uncle Brink sexually abuses little Alicia.
Alicia tells Mamma Sara, and Momma Sara does not/will not believe her.
Fun Uncle Brink tries again to sexually abuse little Alicia, but Father Agustin catches it before it actually happens.
Father Agustin looks into what happened.
Little Alicia understandably goes off the deep end (jumping off the cliff ((suicide)) )
Father Agustin does everything he can to save Alicia (dives in to save her, takes her to the doctor, fights with the doctors)
Fun Uncle Brink can only stand back in shame, knowing its all his fault, and repeatedly apologize.
Mother Sara can only cry and feel responsible (since she brought Alicia there, and Alicia was her responsibility)
And then the lady whos name escapes me...
Just now did I realize that SHE is the only character who doesnt fit in to my explanation...

*beep*



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Anthony,

I think your analysis is spot on regarding sexual abuse metaphors. The other woman whose name you couldn't remember was Barbara, Augustin's sister. To me she could represent the grandmother or an older relative who doesn't believe the abuse is taking place and wants to avoid dealing with it. Remember when she told them they could not drive her to the hospital using her car? Or when she gave Alicia the pills, almost as though it's better to shut her up than to deal with it.

To the other dude/dudette diagnosed with bipolar who doesn't "believe" in mental illness - you are probably in a manic phase or were when you came to that conclusion. Things like depression, bipolar, ADD, and schizophrenia aren't just a list of 'behavioral characteristics' for a doctor to check off. They are diseases that actually can be seen on things like a cat scan. You can compare electrical activity in the brains of a "normal' person and see there is a difference in a cat scan of a person diagnosed with one of these problems.

It is simply irresponsible for you to state mental illness is non-existant.

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you might not believe in mental illness... But the Director obviously does. And this movie is made with mental illness in mind, there are too many hints to deny that obvious fact.


What you are saying would be like going to the EXORCIST movie forum and be like:

"Well, I do no believe in Ghosts or demons, so this girl could NOT possibly be possessed you know... she is making everything up, there is no demon inside her, she is just doing this for attention. she threw up green goo on purpose"

It's like, whether you believe in ghosts (or mental Illness) or not, the fact is the movie has a clear influence and message.

denying this fact, you might as well watch movies while covering your ears and going "lalalalala"

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very interesting, albeit long, interpretation. good film great a cting.

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Esmeralda, you say you don't believe in mental illness? Well that's all fine and dandy for you but it's something you should keep to yourself from now on! How dare you try to feed that crazy BS to others!

My dad was a manic depressive (that's a mental illness) and do you know what happened to him? He killed himself with a gunshot to the chest at the age of 44 back in 1982. He was institutionalized for about a year back in 1975 and was doing alright then. But when he was out, after awhile, he started neglecting to take his meds and that ended his life. Mental illness is VERY REAL, and it took our dad away from my brother and I much too soon. We both still miss him dearly.

So, next time you think about spouting off your mouth saying ignorant things such as, "mental illness does not exist", keep it shut!




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