First off let me say that I enjoy the talent of Ms. Dawson. But, she is obviously an American and she did not try to do an accent. Ala G. Paltrow in the wonderful Slinding Doors.
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Right, because there are absolutely no Americans living and working in Great Britain.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
So, you do not think that it is a stretch that there is this Registered Hypnotherapist working in London that just so happens to also be an American?
Gee, I wonder how many there are?
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Have you ever been to London? There's a lot of people from all over the world living there. I'd also think hypnotherapy is still more of an American thing, so there's probably a fair number of hypotherapists working in London who are American.
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OP the question is, why wouldn't there be a Registered Hypnotherapist working in London that just so happens to also be an American? Theres a *beep* load of Americans in the world.
Its perfectly conceivable. Your a fvcking muppet. End of.
Well there are about 170,000 Americans living in the UK. So it's hardly a stretch to imagine one of them being a hypnotherapist in London.
share170000 equals 0.7 American per square kilometer of UK.
~3000 Hypnotherapists in the UK equals 0.012 Hypnotherapist per square kilometer
What are the odds that the one therapist they pick is a hot American?
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Rosario Dawson is one of the 3 black American Actress along with Zoe Saldana and Kerry Washington who regularly take their clothes off for white men in movies. I am sick of this. Why don't we every see big white actress's taking their clothes off for black men in movies. And Dawson is a nut case. She is the one who stalked Colin Farrell.
About her job. I know plenty of black people who live in the UK that are professionals. I just think being a hypnotherapist is the oddity, not that it is a black one. Remember there is a lot of Caribbean black people who have been living there for generations also. There is famous black designer who has his store on the most regarded street for designers in London. Ozwald Boatang on Seville Row. And his family is from Ghana. So how it is a stretch that a black American woman can have a practice in a nice area in a movie.
I never mentioned racial or ethnic make up, just country of origin and hotness.
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Dawson is a nut case. She is the one who stalked Colin Farrell.
The fact is he may have a stalker named Bradford but he also had a stalker named Dawson. They had made this movie and they had a affair. He broke it off after the movie. She was all over the place saying he promised to marry her and now he will not even talk to her. She even showed up on a late night talk show he was on and they had to escort her out. I remember this, you might not. Like I do not remember Brqaford.
shareProvide a link then. IMDB increasingly doesnt like unfounded smearing. The only entries relevant in the first 10 pages I scanned of Google were of BRADFORD turning up unannounced - at the Tonight Show - and of several women accusing Farrell of being a womanizer.
shareIs this person for real??? London, the most cosmopolitan city in the world, has no Americans living there??? Hahaha
shareI have never been to London, but it is on my bucket list.
I have searched for the interview with the director which was alluded to in an earlier post but I could not find it. But, I have no reason to doubt the poster's statements.
I still think that an American hypnotherapist in London is a stretch.
And, yes I am real.
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This is a weird one. It's completely believable that the hypnotherapist would be an american living in London. Earlier you said "So, you do not think that it is a stretch that there is this Registered Hypnotherapist working in London that just so happens to also be an American?" No, there's absolutely nothing out of the norm about that. She's the only american in the cast, if they were all american and it took place in london I'd say ok I call *beep* But an american hypnotherapist is not a flaw in the movie and certainly isn't a miscasting. G. Paltrow was playing a brit when she was speaking with an accent. Rosario Dawson was playing an american.
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Does your dislike of Americans cause you to spew such bile?
Does the bile cause you heart burn?
I bet you would feel better if you could communicate civilly.
Perhaps, there is a lack of ability.
Oh well, I wish you the best.
Good luck.
Marty
PS I will not longer respond to you
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i totally agree. she didnt fit in the movie. that was not the right part for her & no i dont think theres any american black hypnotherapists in london.
shareThank you, that is all I am saying. Of course, you stated the case much more succinctly and clearer than I.
Nothing against Ms. Dawson, she just did not fit.
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i totally agree. she didnt fit in the movie. that was not the right part for her & no i dont think theres any american black hypnotherapists in london.
Anyone would think the film-makers had asked us to believe that the character could FLY, or something...
"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"
Even if there AREN'T any 'Black American hypnotherapists' living in London (and there probably are... ) it's possible that there COULD be. It's not an impossible set of circumstances.
... so, what's the problem?
"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"
The "most cosmopolitan city in the world". ???! Ha ha. You do have a sense of humour.
shareWell, it's arguable certainly - New York would like the honour for sure, some other places may deserve the title: Paris, Dubai, Miami for example, or may not. But London is right up there, nothing funny about the claim at all.
... you must be stupid
shareConsidering she was cast merely for the nude scenes, I'd say the choice of her casting was perfect. Who would you have preferred to see in the role instead, Angela Lansbury?
Like Matrix, I fight for love.
No she was miscast, someone pointed out the fact that how does someone who is multi-racial and has a working class American accent be working as a Hypnotherapist in what would be a posh pratice in high market Harley Street where you would mainly find posh white or Indian Doctors? It's not so much her being American but her ethnic background and class. Since she was something like Boyle's fifth choice and she came a lot cheaper than the other actress he wanted plus he ended up sleeping with her and breaking up with her after the film ended, I don't think his mind was really on the film, just on getting his end away! and he also had to deal with the Olympic Games opening.
shareYou do realize that Naomie Harris was actually Danny Boyle's first choice? I don't understand why you're making race an issue when the storyline itself is impossible.
I'd like to know where you've heard that Naomie Harris was Danny Boyle's first choice? from what I've heard the studio wanted much bigger names, that's the first I've heard of it!
But I like the idea of Naomie Harris, would have been a far better choice than Rosario Dawson, I can believe her as someone working in a posh Harley Street practice and can do an upper class English accent ( Remember she the new Miss Moneypenny!) unlike Ms Dawson. I remember reading somewhere her saying that she'd like to work with Danny Boyle again because he gave her, her first real break in 28 Days Later, not bad from girl from Hackney!
Boyle decided to go the fish out of water route. Per Dawson "Luckily it was set in London and because of that, and Danny (Boyle) doing the Olympics and having to shoot here, he made sure each of the characters was a fish out of water. He didn't want anyone to have that home advantage."
I didn't like Dawson for the role but your statement about ethnicity and Rosario being fifth is just stupid. And her accent isn't even working class, at least not by American standards; if anything, Dawson always sounds a bit prissy in her roles, which is part of why I feel she lacks range. You're way off base.
shareSo not only is she not right for the role because she is a black Latina, but she is a low cost whore who messed with the creativity of the white direcror's genius? Take that mess to stormfront with all the other brain dead racist meth heads.
"Yes I killed them and hope they burn in hell!" - Samuel L. Jackson , A Time to Kill.
^^this sums up this thread. Exactly right. People have been conditioned to express their own unexamined prejudices in more subtle terms.
I'm a white guy from the US and I thought she was stellar in this role. At no point did I find her implausible since the role required a super-sexy exotic female who could have any man she wanted.
Her multi-ethnicity and nationality would be just as plausible in London as in NYC, Paris, Miami, or Dubai, as another poster pointed out. If you're American, please recognize that the UK finds Americans and all our various ethnic mixes as exotic yet commonplace in their countries as we do Brits and other Commonwealthers here in the US.
People, through threads like these, unknowingly expose their own subconscious racial/sexual/national presuppositions. Explicit racism is fairly rare these days. Iimplicit racism/sexism/classism usually goes unrecognized for what it is, so thank you for calling it out.
Also, people expressing these views are likely neither on meth nor would they consider themselves racists. It's not helpful to ask them to identify with those categories. Don't give them a reason to reject out of hand your otherwise valid points if you want to create a potential learning moment for those who haven't gotten it yet.
"Her multi-ethnicity and nationality would be just as plausible in London as in NYC, Paris, Miami, or Dubai, as another poster pointed out."
Yes! Some people must not have ever heard the term expatriate before. She made the movie for me.
The level of idiocy achieved in this thread is astonishing.
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No, just kidding I see your point
Ditto...
shareI thought Rosario Dawson was excellent and so did the critics (read the reviews). She was SUPPOSED to be American with an American accent. Danny Boyle wanted the two main guys to be European and the lead woman to be American.
His original idea with Naomie Harris would have had the movie set in New York City with the two male leads as American and the lead female English with an English accent (which then would have of course generated threads bitching at Naomie Harris for not using an American accent).
"I'm not questioning your honor, I'm denying its existence"
-Tyrion Lannister
What the film needed was an actress who was bankable, box office wise judging by the poor box office.
shareUnless she somehow won the lottery, how would someone like her set up her own practice in Harley Street? There are American Doctors there but they are usually much older,rich,Harvard educated,upper or mildle class and more importantly white! The rent alone would be something like around £1 million a year! which is why they mainly take a lot of rich Arabs as Clients and young working class, multi ethnic, American Ms Dawson doesn't strike me as someone who could ever look like she'd be let in, it's very much a boy's club up there.
shareWhat on Earth are you talking about? Do you seriously think there's a gate at the end of Harley street where they only let you through if you have an acceptably posh accent or something?
Newsflash : space on Harley street rents to those who have the money, end of story. She had the money, obviously. Maybe she inherited it, maybe she just earned a lot in America before moving to the UK, maybe she won the lottery, maybe she was in a partnership with a bunch of other therapists, maybe a thousand and one things.
Ms Dawson doesn't strike me as someone who could ever look like she'd be let in
She didn't need to "do an accent." Anyone with even a bit of imagination would assume that she moved to London at some point in her career.
But, I do agree that she's miscasted. IMHO, she and Mcavoy did not make a believable couple; in fact, they looked a bit odd and lacked sexual chemistry. He's cute and boyish while she looks very womanly and, frankly, big next to him. I joked with my friend that it almost looked like a teacher molesting her student in some shots.
And the shot where he slapped her, my first thought was "you're really gonna let that little man smack you?" I swear he had to jump up in the air just to reach her face.
Not knocking either of them, they're both very attractive but I just don't buy them as a couple.
Nor am I implying that a physically smaller man can't abuse a larger woman, but I'm saying that they didn't sell it well enough for me to look past their appearance.
I also think, while Dawson is a doll with a lovely disposition, her acting is very limited. They needed a more dynamic actress for the part. But, I know that Boyle wanted to cast his girlfriend but he shot himself in the foot.
And the shot where he slapped her, my first thought was "you're really gonna let that little man smack you?" I swear he had to jump up in the air just to reach her face.
But, I know that Boyle wanted to cast his girlfriend but he shot himself in the foot.
James is a wonderful actor; they just didn't sell that couple for me. And if you're naive enough to believe that Boyle casted Rosario solely based on her acting ability then...."wow" to you.
shareAnd if you're naive enough to believe that Boyle casted Rosario solely based on her acting ability then...."wow" to you.
I really don't care how the casting process went, the only thing I care about is if the actor suits the role. And I think that all three protagonists did.
Yes, I think Rosario Dawson was miscast in the film. My main issue was not her ethnicity though that might be a factor too. She was American by her looks and manners and she was far too young to set up her own office in a foreign country. In psychiatry-related professions, acquaintance with the local culture, customs and mentality would certainly be an advantage. I would leave aside the fact that using hypnotism to make a person to forget and then remember things is not possible at the present time. No matter how good she was, to be able to find clients and practice as a hypnotherapist on your own, you have to establish your reputation first, which in turn has to be based on a successful past record. Rosario in the film looked like thirty, and we learn that she had treated the McAvoy character before. If I want to find a psychiatrist (or hypnotherapist), I don’t think I would trust some hot chick in her late twenties. I expect her character to be older and more mature – someone looking like Kathy Bates, for example.
shareGood God. There could be any number of reasons why a person like that could be in a place like that, even if it's unlikely, it's not impossible!
But bottom line is that it makes absolutely no difference! From all the other things shown in this movie to focus on something like that is quite absurd and frankly pretty stupid. Why not tear apart every detail in every movie then, why not advocate for movies to show only the most likely things supported by statistic majority!
Bah.
So, for the naked shaved Va J J scene you would rather have Kathy Bates......it is another direction
oedipal smedipal
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Another reason why she miscast is that she's too tall against someone like Mcavoy, I know they are both around the same age but how are you meant to believe that he could get away with hitting her!, with his small, wiry and boyish looks next to the taller and more statuette built Dawson, she must of felt like she was getting beaten up by a 12 year old.
shareI'm not sure what you meant about Gwyneth Paltrow's accent in Sliding Doors which, I agree, is a great film. Paltrow's English accent is faultless in that film - just like Renée Zellweger's in Bridget Jones, which would seem to indicate that American actors and actresses are perfectly capable of turning in credible and creditable performances as English natives when the director wants them to be.
sharePerhaps not all actresses have the ability.
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Miscast Misspelled.
shareMiscast NOT misspelled
Look it up.
Marty
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"Miscast" is correct, but the passive for "miscast" is also "miscast" - and not "miscasted" as in the title of your thread.
shareAt first I thought that I was wrong and I was going to thank you for the education.
But, I did a little investigation and came across this site.
http://www.vocabulix.com/conjugation3/miscast.html
What do you think?
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I do not know much about the reliability of your source, but look at the following from the major dictionaries:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/miscast,
especially the second source (Collins English Dictionary).
Based on my own experience, I have never seen the word "miscasted" used before (other than in the site your provided). By contrast, "casted" is a real word, but not in the context of talking about the actors in a movie.
In case this is still insufficient, I think you might perhaps accept the Spell Check in Microsoft Word as a fairly reliable guide. If you type in something like "Rosario was miscasted in the film", that word would be identified as a mistake. The suggested correct word is “miscast” (used in passive).
In any case, I regard commenting on other people’s grammar or writing as rather petty, especially in a board like IMDb with posters from all countries. What matter far more are the content and quality of the discussion. I was just attempting to explain to you why the other poster thought that there was a spelling mistake.
Oh well, I may be in error. Any time I make a mistake and someone wants to point it out, I am fine with it.
That is one of the ways people learn and as you stated, it really is not a big deal.
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