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How did they gain access to Oldman's 'safe room'...


when it only recognized his fingerprints? ANd at what point did they "steal" his fingerprints??

The yarn went to such trouble for something that could've been taken so easily.

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they didn't need his fingerprints, he wore gloves the first time he opened the safe room. and for the thing that made the closet doors open, my guess is that billy paid those men to beat virgil up and steal his wallet and door open thingy.

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my guess is that billy paid those men to beat virgil up and steal his wallet and door open thingy


I don't think that that was the case, otherwise he couldn't have opened it himself. And he would have probably changed the lock/opening mechanism if he noticed they stole the key.

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I thought that it was a security code numbers entry. Well Claire just didn't keep her eyes closed did she when he led her in.

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It's not revealed if she peeked or not, the first time when she was brought to his stash, with her eyes supposedly closed.

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That's all assuming that he doesn't block the view of the keypad with his body like everyone should do out of habit given lives filled with ATMs, etc. It's really dumb to plan a long con that depends completely upon such a lapse.

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In addition, Claire would have had to have exceptional observation and recall abilities.

Virgil faces his glove closet shelving (gloves on)
Shelving splits open horizontally with remote
LCD pad #1 -> presses button in lower left of number pad
LCD pad #2 -> 2 button columns, presses upper left button
combo: 6, 2, 4, 9 ->OK

All done so quickly that I had to put my viewer in slo-mo to catch it all.

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I don't think it's likely that the locking mechanism was fingerprint activated. I believe that part of Claire's job was to figure out how to get in to the vault. The other part was to discover where the art was. There was no indication that anyone else was aware of the vault. Proof of this for me, we're the dirty dishes lying on the floor of the vault when the rest of his house was spotless, because he had a maid. He admits this in the movie.
Billy could have forced Virgil to take him to the art, if that's all that he wanted. He would not have to hide and he could sell the art with impunity. After all, the art already belonged to Billy, legally. Billy was in it for the chance to show Virgil how creative he really was. He wanted Virgil to recognize him as an artistic master, if only, of deception. Which is not so subtly communicated by the animatron and the note on the painting.

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In many ways though, I took it more like Billy was simply more motivated by the money than anything else. I imagined the last time they met at the final auction, Billy was planning to retire and live out the rest of his life in luxury. Only Virgil seemed to know the true monetary value of the paintings they collected, and during the scene where he told Billy the value of the painting that they lost, even though Billy already knew it wasn't a forgery, to me it reinforced my feelings that Billy simply knew he wasn't getting nearly enough money than he could, while also secretly harboring ill feelings towards Virgil, since he was being used, berated, and kept from partaking in the lion shares of their scam earnings. Their relationship to me was like any other thieves, purely based on mutual, financial profit. Billy just saw an opportunity to steal the larger share. The fact that Virgil didn't respect his art, and underestimated his abilities, seemed secondary to me. He did want Virgil's approval, but that just added to the creative showmanship of the scheme. Not saying that I'm right, but that's just how I perceived it.

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If the main thing Billy wanted was money, he could've just hired a couple of goons to help him force their way in. (Related: there was no mutual financial profit in their scheme - Virgil did not profit in money but in ownership.)

Billy wanted to destroy Virgil, for never having believed in him. And he knew him well enough to accomplish just that.

"Look! I'm a prostitute robot from the future!"

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True, but that wouldn't reflect the type of people they were. They prided themselves on making away with valuable things undetected, constantly teetering between the lines of what's real and what's forged, so to have his team force their way in would have been too messy and out of character. And that was my point, most thieves have mutual profit, but since Virgil held on to the paintings that were worth millions, while giving Billy only a small fraction, it simply was an unfair deal to him.

I guess the main reasons why I didn't see his artwork being rejected by Virgil as his driving motivation was because I felt as though even if Virgil DID believe in his work, he would have still gone through with the con, since he knew the value of what he could get from Virgil. That's just the type of person I saw him to be, given their relationship.

Surely each member of the plan was payed handsomely, and I can agree that maybe Billy's motivation was more personal than the others were, but all together, I saw it just as an elaborate job first, to make away with some of the world's most valuable paintings, and then second, to psychologically ruin Virgil during the aftermath of his discovery as his payback for not believing in him. I just personally saw the psychological aspect of ruining Virgil as secondary, and his painting of Claire's mother, both being used as a way to sell the con first, and then later, used simply as his calling card.

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You wanna dig in and double down, that's your prerogative... I think it means you're missing a lot in this eloquent film, and that's too bad, but hey, have at it.

"Look! I'm a prostitute robot from the future!"

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No, it doesn't mean that. The beauty of this film is that there are many ways to interpret and perceive it's events, just like art itself, hence the discussions.

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Only Virgil seemed to know the true monetary value of the paintings they collected, and during the scene where he told Billy the value of the painting that they lost, even though Billy already knew it wasn't a forgery, to me it reinforced my feelings that Billy simply knew he wasn't getting nearly enough money than he could

During their argument about losing the Valiente, Billy reminds Virgil of the time they lost the bid for Van Gogh's Lady With The Fan. So Billy was already aware of the true worth of what he was bidding on.

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Back to the original question, Robert was supposed to be as much of a prodigy in his way as the real Claire was in hers. "He can do anything," she marveled. So maybe he cracked it.

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A high level security setup like that is usually installed by the company that creates it. It's not something Robert could buy off the shelf for aftermarket installation.

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