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Watching this now......wow


I have lost a lot of respect for Cubs fans. This wasn't like a few fans. It was the entire stadium. At least 10 different people said "We're going to kill you". Here are some of the gems.

"You deserve to die"
"A**hole"
"Put a 12-gauge in his mouth and pull the trigger"
"I'm going to kill you"
"Rot in hell"

Classy Cubs fans, real classy.

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The documentary did a very good job telling the story and creating an interesting parellel to Buckner and the '86 Series. The fan meltdown during the Marlins' endless 8th inning rally and subsequent covert evacuation of Bartman from the stadium was certainly the most intense part of the story; you could really feel the pressure building on the poor guy minute by minute.

But I wouldn't single out Cubs fans -- don't believe for a second it would have been any different in Fenway or Yankee Stadium.

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It's hard to say if this would have happened in a different stadium. I think it probably would have--there are drunk diehard fans everywhere. But it was most definitely disturbing to watch and listen to. That 12-guage comment was pretty hideous. It's just so sad because he did the same thing all of the people around him were doing and was just the unlucky one to actually touch the ball. The woman a couple seats down even said that the ball was clearly going into the stands and at the last second the wind kind of took it back out to where Alou could have made the play. When you look at all of the footage it seems like he had time to draw his hand back, but really it happens so fast he probably didn't even have time to think.
And that guy they kept interviewing who was like 12 rows back from him was such a dbag. He seemed so proud of himself for being the bullying ass that he was.

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Jim Cuthbert is the dbag. He is a disgusting piece of human. He lived in Lombard Hills, IL at the time of the incident. Maybe we can track him down and throw beer at him?

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There is no such place as Lombard Hills, Il...so don't try finding him there!

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hmmm...maybe it's just lombard then.

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Yup it definitely is

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And that guy they kept interviewing who was like 12 rows back from him was such a dbag. He seemed so proud of himself for being the bullying ass that he was.


He seemed like a classic bully. Probably a complete wimp when someone isn't holding him back. I'd be willing to bet if Bartman hadn't been a 160 pound nerd this turd wouldn't have said a word. Bullies are like that.

It's cute how proud he is of being a gigantic piece of crap. Some people just aren't smart enough to know how dumb they are. He falls into that category.

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And that guy they kept interviewing who was like 12 rows back from him was such a dbag. He seemed so proud of himself for being the bullying ass that he was.

That fool seemed like the kind of guy who was full of himself in high school, then comes to the 20th reunion and is still living in high school. I almost felt sorry for him as he told his story. He thought he was so cool, but didn’t realize how he was coming off. As they said in 1941’s BUCK PRIVATES, “Some people just can’t get wise to themselves”.

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I went to all the Marlins-Cubs playoff games that were played in Miami just before the Bartman incident. MANY Cubs fans drove down from Chicago to these games. I saw several Cubs fans starting fights in the parking lot and even beating up on one Marlins fan. The Cubs fans were very cocky, yelling about how their team was up 3 games to 1 and then 3 games to 2 and the Marlins didn't stand a chance. This coming from fans of a team who hadn't seen their team win in about 100 years. I thought they were cocky and unruly and didn't deserve to see their team win. Yankees and Red Sox fans can be just as bad, but this didn't happen to them. But to see that display by Cubs fans in Miami proved just how capable they were of acting out on poor Steve.

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This sort of behavior could happen anywhere. Having the seats in a position that allows fans to get that close is part of the allure of the sport and also can cause incidents like this that are unfortunate.

He was just the first fan to experience the singling out in an era when people can look up stuff on a computer and then know everything about you and have that info spread very quickly.

Live Life Like you plan to Die

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Alright it is obvious Cubs fans were behaving badly that night which is out of the norm for the usual "friendly confines" at Wrigley Field. However we know one thing for sure, Red Sox fans are just as bad, maybe worse. What Bill Buckner went through is proof of that. And even when they won in 2004 they have the nerve to tell Buckner they "forgave" him? How about this, does Buckner forgive YOU?

The only difference between Buckner's play and Bartman's is that Buckner's happened on the road. If it were in Fenway he'd have gotten the wrath. Heck, even listen to that writer in the beginning of the film, he says "I'm from Boston and whatever you say about Bill Buckner is never bad enough." This coming from a team with two recent championships.

It would happen to Yankee fans too if they didn't win all the time. As for other cities how about the way Los Angeles riots when the win the NBA championship? Or Vancouver when they lost the Stanley Cup final in 1994 and 2011? Pure thuggery there. Montreal turns their city upside down win or lose after every NHL playoff series win or loss. Yeah, it isn't just Chicago.

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It's funny you mention Buckner. Growing up I always thought if he fielded the ball they won the World Series. If he missed it they lost.

But after hearing about the whole situation....

The game was tied.
It was only game 6.
If he fields it cleanly the game goes to extra innings, and they still could have lost.

I just don't get how they could treat him the way they did.

Heck, even listen to that writer in the beginning of the film, he says "I'm from Boston and whatever you say about Bill Buckner is never bad enough."


That "journalist" is probably as ignorant about the situation as I was.

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It was laughably ironic that the Cubs fouled up their chance to go to a Series (which they no doubt would have lost...


We have no way of knowing that for sure. It's a hypothetical, so arguing either way would be a moot point.

If both make the Playoffs, I'd bet money the Sox advance further than the Cubs.


Good thing you put that disclaimer at the beginning "IF they both make the playoffs). Doesn't matter now. Cubs are cruising. Sox have been out of it since shortly after you made your post.

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Cubbies are in the World Series for the first time since 1945, yes folks, that's 71 years.

If they take the World Series, guess what, the billy goat curse is over and so is the Bartman incident--and o'l Steve can come out of hiding and join the party.

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Both Chicago teams are doing quite well this year, so far. If both make the Playoffs, I'd bet money the Sox advance further than the Cubs. Their fans know how to treat a fan who brings in a goat; disco records are another story.


BWAHAHAHA! How'd that work out for you? If you want to do some smart betting, bet that the White Sox won't even make the playoffs for a LONG time.

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How pathetic was it that during the NLCS that Buck and Smoltz kept talking about Steve Bartman? It seemed like any time the Baseball went near "those" seats they had to remind everyone of what happened in 2003, accompanying replay and all.

And speaking of higher walls, does anyone remember the play in the one of the World Series games at Wrigley Field where the ball headed towards right field wall and a fan stuck his hat out to catch it? Was it just me or were the pathetic announces trying to create a new Steve Bartman in that moment like if the fan succeeded in "fan interference" the Cubs would've lost the series and that fan would've had to go into hiding? Watching the World Series it became clear that 13 years have passed and nothing has changed with these announces.

I am a Cubs fan and the commentary was incredibly cringeworthy. Imagine being Steve Bartman trying to watch the postseason cheering on your team and you're the subject these announces keep bringing up?

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