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So what do you think really happened to those people in 1959 ?


They got attacked by a wild animal, turned on each other, aliens, yeti etc. which is the most likely explanation from your point of view ?

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I think they did discover military weapons development, kidnapped and left to the elements, then severe hypothermia resulting in them believing they were too hot, discarding clothes and shoes and leaving the tent, making it look like an accident.
The ones with radioactive levels in them probably were poisoned and left in the cold, the others with strange bites and broken bones were mutilated by military so local legend of a yeti could be brought into the equation by suspicious local tribes.
Basically, killed by military, and as Russia were VERY secretive, its been able to cause all kinds of theories.

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Believe me if the russian military wanted them dead they wouldn't have gone through all the trouble of staging a bear/mountain lion attack or leaving the bodies like that to be found, at the time the soviet government's modus operandi for people who came across government secrets was simple shoot everybody/bury everything. In that remote area nobody would have ever found them or any trace they have ever set camp there but in my opinion it would have been impossible to stumble upon a military objective like that not that such thing couldn't have been there but they would have been confronted by armed guards miles before they even came close to it.

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I think they might have been scared by a group of Almas. Perhaps the last living group of Almas left on planet earth before its extinction, this encounter scared them so much (the Almas standing in front of the tent or maybe trying to open it) that they ripped a hole in the tent and runned out in panic without time to dress up properly.

What are Almas, you may ask,

"The Almas, Mansi tribe dialect for "wild man", is a hominid species reputed to inhabit the Caucasus and Pamir Mountains of central Asia, and the Altai Mountains of southern Mongolia.

Almas is a singular word in Mansi; the properly formed Turkic plural would be 'almaslar'.As is typical of similar legendary creatures throughout Central Asia, Russia, Pakistan and the Caucasus, the Almas is generally considered to be more akin to "wild people" in appearance and habits than to apes (in contrast to the Yeti of the Himalayas).
Almases are typically described as human-like bipedal animals, between five and six and a half feet tall, their bodies covered with reddish-brown hair, with anthropomorphic facial features including a pronounced browridge, flat nose, and a weak chin.

Speculation that Almases may be something other than legendary creatures is based on purported eyewitness accounts, alleged footprint finds, and interpretations of long-standing native traditions that have been anthropologically collected.

Almases appear in the legends of local people, who tell stories of sightings and human-Almas interactions dating back several hundred years.
Drawings interpreted as Almas also appear in a Tibetan medicinal book. British anthropologist Myra Shackley noted that "The book contains thousands of illustrations of various classes of animals (reptiles, mammals and amphibia), but not one single mythological animal such as are known from similar medieval European books. All the creatures are living and observable today."
Sightings recorded in writing go as far back as the 15th century.

In 1430, Hans Schiltberger recorded his personal observation of these creatures in the journal of his trip to Mongolia as a prisoner of the Mongol Khan. Schiltberger also recorded one of the first European sightings of Przewalski horses. (Manuscript in the Munich Municipal Library. He noted that Almasty are part of the Mongolian and Tibetan apothecary's materia medica, along with thousands of other animals and plants that live today.

British anthropologist Myra Shackley in Still Living? describes Ivan Ivlov's 1963 observation of a family group of Almas. Ivlov, a pediatrician, decided to interview some of the Mongolian children who were his patients, and discovered that many of them had also said that they had seen Almases and that neither the Mongol children nor the young Almas were afraid of each other. Ivlov's driver also claimed to have seen them.

Alleged captive Almas
A wildwoman named Zana is said to have lived in the isolated mountain village of T'khina fifty miles from Sukhumi in Abkhazia in the Caucasus; some have speculated she may have been an Almas,
Captured in the mountains in 1850, she was at first violent towards her captors but soon became domesticated and, indeed, was able to assist with simple household chores. Zana is said to have had sexual relations with a man of the village named Edgi Genaba, and gave birth to a number of children of apparently normal human appearance. Several of these children, however, died in infancy. Some commentators have attributed these early deaths to Zana's genetic incompatibility (as an Almas) with humans.
The father, meanwhile, gave away four of the surviving children to local families. The two boys, Dzhanda and Khwit Genaba (born 1878 and 1884), and the two girls, Kodzhanar and Gamasa Genaba (born 1880 and 1882), were assimilated into normal society, married, and had families of their own. Zana herself died in 1890. The skull of Khwit (also spelled Kvit) is still extant, and was examined by Dr. Grover Krantz in the early 1990s. He pronounced it to be entirely modern, with no Neanderthal features at all. If Krantz's verdict on the skull is correct, and the skull itself is indeed that of Zana's son, it would indicate that Zana may have been a member of an isolated hunter gatherer tribe so culturally different from her captors' society as to make Zana seem non-human to them, even though she was indeed a modern human. Another account by Russian anthropologist M.A.Kolodieva described the skull as significantly different from the normal males from Abkhazia: the skull "approaches closest the Neolithic Vovnigi II skulls of the fossil series".

Another case is said to date from around 1941, shortly after the German invasion of the USSR. A "wild man" was captured somewhere in the Caucasus by a detachment of the Red Army. He appeared human, but was covered in fine, dark hair. Interrogation revealed his apparent inability (or unwillingness) to speak, and the unfortunate creature is said to have been shot as a German spy.

Myra Shackley and Bernard Heuvelmans have speculated that the Almases are a relict population of Neanderthals, while Loren Coleman suggests surviving specimens of Homo erectus. They have been connected to the Denisova hominin. Descriptions of Almases are similar to that of the Yeti of the Himalayas."










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The fact that they cut the tent from inside means that they couldn't get out the normal way either the entrance being blocked or there was something in the tent with them that made them react like that. If something was outside that means they couldn't have seen what it was while they were in the tent half asleep and there was no reason to freak out like that only to find out later that it was just a fox and now you have a gaping hole in one side of the tent at -40C. I can't imagine something so horrible that would make nine people panic in such a way that they preferred to take their chances minimally dressed in pitch black at temperatures where they knew they wouldn't live for very long.

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<<The fact that they cut the tent from inside means that they couldn't get out the normal way either the entrance being blocked >>
Precisely.

<<or there was something in the tent with them that made them react like that. >>
Highly improbable.

<<If something was outside that means they couldn't have seen what it was while they were in the tent half asleep>>
They would have freaked out if they saw the shape/shadow of a gigantic hominid/s walking and/or screaming and howling outside the tent.

<< I can't imagine something so horrible that would make nine people panic in such a way that they preferred to take their chances minimally dressed in pitch black at temperatures where they knew they wouldn't live for very long.>>
A group of Almas would do the trick.

IMHO the Almas theory is a lot more plausible than assasination by the KGB after discovering some unnamed military secret/base, alien orbs, etc. why? Check out this interesting article;


A Skeleton Still Buried and a Skull Unearthed: The Story of Zana
By Igor Bourtsev
From: "In the Footsteps of the Russian Snowman" by Dmitri Bayanov


In Abkhazia, Western Caucasus, relict hominoids are called abnauayu. While collecting reports in 1962, a colleague of Boris Porshnev, zoologist Prof Alexander Mashkovtsev, heard and studied the story of Zana. Subsequently, Porshnev took over where his late companion left off. The following information is borrowed from Porshnev's work "The Struggle for Troglodytes. "
Zana was a female abnauayu who had been caught and tamed and who lived and died within the memory of a number of people still alive at the time of the research. She was buried near the village of Tkhina in the Ochamchiri District of Abkhazia in the 1880s or 1890s.

The manner of her capture is vague. Some said it was not a chance catch. Hunters familiar with an age-old technique tied her up, and, when she furiously fought back, hit her with cudgels, gagged her mouth with felt, and shackled her legs to a log. Probably she had already changed hands by sale when she became property of the ruling prince D.M.Achba who was the titular head of the Zaadan region. She passed into the possession of one of his vassals, named Chelokua and still later she was presented to a nobleman, Edgi Genaba, who visited the region. He took her away, still shackled and chained, to his estate in the village of Tkhina on the Mokva River, 78 kilometres from Sukhumi.

At first Genaba lodged her in a very strong enclosure and nobody ventured in to give her food, for she acted like a wild beast. It was thrown to her. She dug herself a hole in the ground and slept in it and for the first three years she lived in this wild state, gradually becoming tamer. After three years she was moved to a wattle-fence enclosure under an awning near the house, tethered at first, but later she was let loose to wander about. However she never went far from the place where she received her food. She could not endure warm rooms and the year round, in any weather, slept outdoors in a hole that she made herself under the awning.

Villagers teased her with sticks thrust through the wattle-fence, and she.would snatch them with fury, bare her teeth and howl.

Her skin was black, or dark grey, and her whole body covered with reddish-black hair. The hair on her head was tousled and thick, hanging mane-like down her back.

She could not speak, over decades that she lived with people, Zana did not learn a single Abkhaz word; she only made inarticulate sounds and mutterings, and cries when irritated. But she reacted to her name, carried out commands given by her master and was scared when he shouted at her. And this despite the fact that she was very tall, massive and broad, with huge breasts and buttocks, muscular arms and legs, and fingers that were longer and thicker than human fingers. She could splay her toes widely and move apart the big toe.

From remembered descriptions given to Mashkovtsev and Porshnev, her face was terrifying; broad, with high cheekbones, flat nose, turned out nostrils, muzzle-like jaws, wide mouth with large teeth, low forehead, and eyes of a reddish tinge. But the most frightening feature was her expression which was purely animal, not human. Sometimes, she would give a spontaneous laugh, baring those big white teeth of hers. The latter were so strong that she easily cracked the hardest walnuts.

She lived for many years without showing any change: no grey hair, no falling teeth, keeping strong and fit as ever. Her athletic power was enormous. She would outrun a horse, and swim across the wild Mokva River even when it rose in violent high tide. Seemingly without effort she lifted with one hand an eighty-kilo sack of flour and carried it uphill from the water-mill to the village. She climbed trees to get fruit, and to gorge herself with grapes she would pull down a whole vine growing around the tree. She ate whatever was offered to her, including hominy and meat, with bare hands and enormous gluttony. She loved wine, and was allowed her fill, after which she would sleep for hours in a swoonlike state.

She liked to lie in a cool pool side by side with buffalos. At night she used to roam the surrounding hills. She wielded big sticks against dogs and on other perilous occasions. She had a curious obsession for playing with stones, knocking one against another and splitting them.

She took swims the year round, and preferred to walk naked even in winter, tearing dresses that she was given into shreds. However, she showed more tolerance toward a loin-cloth. Sometimes she went into the house, but the women were afraid of her and came near only when she was in a gentle mood; when angry she, presented a scary sight and could even bite. But she obeyed her master, Edgi Genaba, and he knew how to bring her to heel. Adults used her as a bogy figure with children, although Zana never actually attacked children.

She was trained to perform simple domestic tasks, such as grinding grain for flour, bringing home firewood and water, or sacks to and from the water-mill, or pull her master's high boots off.

But she became the mother of human children, and this is the wonderous side of her life story, very important for the science of genetics. Zana was pregnant several times by various men, and, giving birth without assistance, she always washed the newborn child in the cold water-spring. The half-breed infants, unable to survive these ablutions, died.

So, when subsequently Zana gave birth, the villagers began taking the newborn babies away from her in good time, and reared them themselves. Four times this happened, and the children, two sons and two daughters, grew up as humans, fully-fledged and normal men and women who could talk and possessed reason. It is true that they had some strange physical and mental features, but nonetheless they were fully capable of engaging in work and social Life

The eldest son's name was Dzhanda, and the eldest daughier was Kodzhanar. The second daughter was named Gamasa, and the younger son Khwit, who died in 1954. All had descendants of their own, scattered across Abkhazia.

There were rumours that the father of Gamasa and Khwit was in fact Edgi Genaba himself, but in the census they were put down under a different surname, and their family-name became Sabekia. It is significant that Zana was buried in the family cemetery of the Genabas, and that the two youngest children of Zana were brought up by Genaba's wife.

Gamasa and Khwit were both powerfully built, had dark skins, but they inherited scarcely anything from Zana's facial appearance. The complex of human features, inherited from their father, was dominant in them and overruled the mother's line of descent. Khwit, who died at the age of 65 or 70, was described by his fellow-villagers as little different from the human norm, except for certain small divergences. He was extremely strong, difficult to deal with and quick to pick a fight. In fact, he lost his right hand after one of the many fights he had with his fellow-villagers, but his left hand sufficed him to mow and do other work on a collective farm, and even climb trees. When old, he moved to the town of Tkvarcheli where he eventually died, but he was taken back for burial at Tkhina.

The next stage of the Zana case was taken up by attempts fo find her grave and skeleton. Here is what Boris Porshnev Says about his first effort in that direction:

In September 1964, the archaeologist V.S.Orelkin and I made our first attempt to find Zana's grave. The cemetery was wildly overgrown and only the ten-year-old mound over Khwit's grave could be picked out among the bracken covering the hillside. Nobody else had been buried since then.

Zana must be somewhere near. We asked the old residents and the last scion of the Genaba dan, seventy-nine-year-old Kenton. He was clear that we should dig under a pomegranate tree. What was found there turned out to be the remains of one of Zana's grandchildren who had died early, for the profile that we established from the skull was extraordinarily like the profiles of Zana's two living grandchildren whom I myself had met.

After two more expeditions the search party had still not found Zana's bones, though in a third attempt in October 1965, they found what are probably the bones of Gamasa, as they present slight, but definite paleoanthropic features.

After the passing of Porshnev it fell to my lot to continue the search. I headed three expeditions to Abkhazia in search of Zana's skeleton, in 1971, 1975 and 1978, which merits a separate story. Our difficulty was that by that time the last scion of the Genaba dan had passed away and nobody knew exactly where Zana's grave was. We put in a tremendous amount of spade work on that hillside, digging sticky clayey earth under almost daily downpours. During the second expedition I was taken seriously ill with an illness which doctors failed to identify. We never found a skeleton that would fit Zana's features as described by witnesses.

It was then decided to exhume the skull of Khwit, Zana's younger son, whose grave was still well indicated. Professor N. Bourchak-Abramovich assisted me in that digging. I brought the skull to Moscow where it was studied by two physical anthropologists, M.A.Kolodieva and M.M.Gerasimova. The results of the study were reported by me at the Relict Hominoid Research Seminar and the Moscow Naturalists' Society and published in 1987.

The exhumed skull of Zana's son, Khwit, exhibits a combination of modern and ancient features which aroused great interest amongst anthropologists

Anthropologist M.A.Kolodieva compared the skull of Khwit with the male skulls from Abkhazia in the collection of the Moscow State University Institute of Anthropology and found that Khwit's skull was significantly different. Indicating it as the Tkhina skull, she writes:

The Tkhina skull exhibits an original combination of modem and ancient features ... The facial section of the skull is significantly larger in comparison with the mean Abkhaz type ... All the measurements and indices of the superciliary cranial contour are greater not only than those of the mean Abkhaz series, but also than those of maximum size of some fossil skulls studied (or rather were comparable with the latter). The Tkhina skull approaches closest the Neolithic Vovnigi II skulls of the fossil series...
On her part, anthropologist M.M.Gerasimova came to following conclusions:
The skull discloses a great deal of peculiarity, a certain disharmony disequilibrium in its features, very large dimensions of the facial skeleton, increased development of the contour of the skull, specificity of the non-metric features (the two foramina mentale in the lower jaw, the intrusive bones in the sagittal suture, and the Inca bone). The skull merits further extended study.
So the bottom line of the Zana case today is this: we have nothing but the words of witnesses to describe Zana's peculiar nature, but the hard and specific evidence of her son's skull goes a long way in making the testimony of witnesses more solid and trustworthy.











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Very interesting article, thanks for your work, the first thing that comes to mind is why weren't they warned about those creatures by the locals, i mean if that was their territory the sightings of these creatures should have been very common yet nothing about this was ever mentioned in the initial report even though they "questioned" some mansi and there were no unusual tracks goin in or out of their camp but that can be explained by the snow fall. To me one of the most strange aspects is the high level of radioactivity found on Dyatlov's clothes, where can you even get that from in the middle of nowhere and why wasn't anybody else affected by this ?

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Disdain, I think is the answer youre looking for. Do modern day dwellers of woods where there's bigfoot sightings warn tourists about Bigfoot attacks?





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They don't warn them because its probably a local joke and they know its not real.

My god man, you are an idiot.

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Zina was African -they did dna on her.

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How about delusions brought on by hypothermia.

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A (then already adult) friend of mine once had an extraordinarily cute white rabbit placed on his stomach while he was sleeping in his tent. To this day he is pathologically scared of rabbits.

I'm not saying there was a rabbit or a spider in the tent, ;) but it sounds plausible to me that there was something in the tent, that there reaction upon being woken by it might have been inadequately severe considering it must have been dark and people tend to exacerbate each others panic by their own reaction to the fear they're experiencing.

I don't know all the details about the case, but as far as I know there have not been any cases of collective paradoxical undressing in a group as large as 9 people. Again though, in a state of panic people might act irrationally, which could be exacerbated by hypothermia and group hysteria aka collective obsessional behavior.

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That is such a creepy explanation lol horrifying to think about too.

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Indeed, nice point.

They didn't have spare tends, so making a hole in it would mean they would be unable to harm themselves during the night. What would make them think it's better to lose the tends and flee undressed than face it?

They either fraked out (many of the hipotesis of them getting crazy due to hypotermia) and didn't know what they were doing, or something made them damn scared.

And indeed something hit them, braking some bones, taking one's tongue, making another radiative, etc.

There's no sign of something there that would be radioative. But URSS was working on nuclear weapons at that time, so I indeed think it was something military related.

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Actually there were several small horizontal slits cut into the side of the tent (from the inside) at eye level. So it's quite possible the people inside were looking out. Aside from that there was one other small hole in the wall fabric caused by an axe of the rescue party.

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When I first read this, I thought you were writing about alpakas. Would have been a good alternative: They have been scared to death by alpakas.

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If they were normal hikers, then I'd go with you. However, these were scientists.......they'd be missed. Their disappearance would have had to be explained. By staging the accident, they have covered all bases.

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They weren't scientists, at least not yet, they were just normal students at the Ural Polytechnic Institute like so many others, exactly the type that wouldn't be missed.

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spot on!

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Excellent thread and story of Zana is wonderous and informative.

Regarding what may have happened, I'm surprised there hasn't been any mention of the odd lights seen moving over and around the area of the hikers at the time of the Dyatlov incident. Because the recovered bodies seemed to be burned and bruised from the inside, plus these lights in the area, I feel like the UFO or alien theory fits.

What if these highly radiated lights/orbs came close to the tent in the night, causing the hikers to start to burn and seeing only flames, burst out of the tent running to try to get away. I know it leaves much to the imagination, but what else could have produced the state of the bodies that were recovered? IMHO

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These commonly observed lights on the sky might have been the missiles or rockets from the rapidly developing soviet rocket programme

They had the iron stove in the tent. When the panic started (after the possible explosion/shockwave from the outside), they might get burned. One of them get a burn on the palm and on the side of the head and second man had a large burn on the calf. Others had the broken ribs and a cracked skull. Most of them also had the bruises and other minor injuries.

Their tent entrance had the olive shaped buttons fastening, the slowest possible, so it's understandable that in the life-threatening situation they had to cut the tent.


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What's the source for the "burn" issue? I thought all this was was a remark of someone who went to the funerals, that the people seemed to have "quite a tan". which could be anything from heavy make-up from the morgue to a tan they got from walking in the snow, or even from laying in the sun for a long time. Even if it's cold, skin will burn or tan if you let the sun do it's work. It doesn't seem to be anything mysterious really.

Which goes for most of the details we keep hearing about this incident. You honestly don't need a yeti (or worse) for something that could also happen from a pack of wolves. I know a yeti makes for a cooler story, but it doesn't help interpreting the clues or figuring out what happened there. At all!

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The burn marks were mentioned in the official autopsy report, not from eye witnesses, from what i can remember they had closed caskets at the funeral because of the state the bodies were in. Have you seen how wolves hunt and eat on any wildlife channel ? It's messy to say the least, it would have been a challenge to distinguish the remains of a wild animal from those of a human body after a wolf "feast". I'm no wolf expert but from what i understand wolves in the wild have a instinctive fear of humans, they have no problem hunting other animals but when they see a human they run like the wind.

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You should see how a yeti runs.

I think you are counting too much on predictable behavior by this or that creature. That line of thinking helps to create a feeling of mystery, but it doesn't actually make things mysterious. You'll say: "It can't be this", while it really really can be... Just not the way you think it always goes...

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They were not eaten by wolves. State of their bodies is shown in the original pictures used in countless documentaries available on the Internet. Some of their coffins were open at the funerals and their faces were described by their relatives as having the orange or chocolate color. One of them was found with a foam at the mouth and nose area. One of the possible explanations is the rocket failure above the area and they were injured by explosion and also poisoned by toxic rocket fuel.

http://www.youtube.com/results?filters=long&search_query=%D1%82%D0 %B0%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0+%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B+%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%8 2%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BE%D0%B2&lclk=long

Here's a few of the documentaries with a different approach, but if you can make it through, there are loads of the original historical photos, informations and testimonies. It's mostly in russian, but pictures are speaking for themselves.


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I did not say they were eaten by wolves. I said you do not need a Yeti to explain what happened.

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And I didn't say you said that :-) BigBlockV8 said that and I was talking to both of you, contributing to the topic.

I agree, we don't need the bizarre and supernatural explanations. I would say that only people and human-created technology was involved. If you're curious about the topic, here is a lots of informations in the sources I already posted.


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Yes, good point with the lights, i don't know how it slipped my mind. The mansi people have reported orbs in that area long before any rocket tests or military bases ever existed and there are a lot of areas scattered throughout europe and asia with this kind of activity, it's a known phenomenon although nobody has a scientific explanation what it is or what actually causes it.

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The dumbest part of the movie was this:

"Hey, lookit the aurora borealis."

"Leave me alone, I'm searching the sky for the strange lights Dyatlov saw."

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They got killed as a result of an avalanche and died of hypothermia/stumbling into a ravine.

Due to the lack of moderators, trolls can ruin the IMDB message boards. Don't feed them.

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If only it was that simple

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It was.

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After doing more of a thorough job researching the entirety of the story, I have come to the conclusion that nothing paranormal/conspiracy ridden happened. Here is the link to a web page that pretty much ties up all of the loose ends that have been brought up regarding the death of the hikers: http://www.aquiziam.com/dyatlov_pass_answers.html

If you are really interested in the story I recommend checking the website out. It seems as though the author did some pretty good research.

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It was.


http://www.spiked-online.com/review_of_books/article/dyatlov-pass-a-chilling-mystery-solved/16853

the chance of an avalanche on that slope was between "Not in a million years" and "Completely impossible"... that's why an avalanche was *never* even considered by the investigators who worked the case. It simply didn't happen.

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I agree; I think perhaps they were sleeping in their heated tent and heard a sound whereby they THOUGHT there was going to be an avalanche or perhaps there was a small slide that collapsed part of the tent. This caused immediate panic and is why they exited the tent so quickly. The reason, I believe, they cut the tent is because the entry/exit of the tent had buttons, not zippers, and it would have taken longer to open. In addition, there was a closed cook stove in front of the exit. I think they fled to an area where they thought they would be safe from an impending avalanche and did not eventually turn back to the tent for fear of initiating an avalanche caused by their movements. Both of the two who died first climbed the cedar tree to cut branches which were used for and found in the fire that was started, and perhaps to see what was happening at the tent although the tent was not visible from that spot. One may have fallen from the tree and sustained a non-life threatening skull fracture. Eventually the two died from the sub-zero temps and the others cut off some of the deceased's clothing to use for themselves. I don't know why the remaining group then split up, but four ended up falling in the ravine where three died from their falls and weakened condition and the fourth from hypothermia. It appeared that those four had attempted to build a snow/twig shelter in that vicinity. The remaining three apparently believed that their only hope was to return to the tent, regardless of any perils, and of course they died of hypothermia along the way. Their discolored skin was explained as the result of being exposed to the sun and the elements. The missing eyes were also explained as a result of decomposition and being exposed to nature. The missing tongue on the woman was not "cut" out of her mouth, but by accounts was either bitten off as a result of her fall,atrophied, or was simply a victim of the elements. Radiation levels were explained as a result of using lantern mantles which when burned emit slight particles, and also perhaps the fact that one or two of the victims worked in laboratories at their school and carried it on their coats. In addition, the area was supposedly known for being the testing grounds for various weapons/missles and lights in the sky were not that unusual. I am not claiming that this is what happened, but it makes the most sense. I enjoyed all the other explanations, from aliens to Yeti to Russian helicopters picking them up and then throwing them back to die in the elements. I don't think that we'll ever know what happened, but some of the mystery was self-induced by the era and the area where this event occurred. There is a very interesting book called "Mountain of the Dead: The Dyatlov Pass Incident" (2013) which covers every possibility, and others not mentioned here! Worth the read.

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I agree with this.

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My theory is this:

They set up camp. They eat then they go to sleep. Around 2 AM they are awaken by sudden sensation of heavy pressure and heat on their skin. A very weird and scary noise can be heard outside. The sense of heat becomes too much for them to tolerate. Frightened out of their mind, they slash the sides of the tent and run away from what they now can see are few huge bright orange spheres hovering over their tent. They run untill they reach the safety of the trees. There they don't feel the heat or the pressure. They begin to feel cold. One of them climbs the trees to see if the spheres are still there so they could go back and get their clothes.
The spheres are still there. Igor Dyatlov as the leader and feeling responsible for the group volunteers to go to the tent and bring clothing. He goes out. Soon one more decides to go after him and help. On his way to the tent Igor Dyatlov is overcome by the strong radiation emitted from the spheres, he falls in the snow, his hand covering his head. Few hundred yards behind him the other guy dies form cold. Three more die from hypotermia in the woods. The other four scavenge their clothing and decide to move. At this point they have no idea what to do and are just desperate to move and do something. Aaand I'm out of ideas....

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After reading facts about this incidents. This is what it sounds like.

Russian Military were doing Test with Rockets into Novay Zemlya, one of this Rockets must have exploded over the mountain and caused snow slide. There were metal debris found around. Possible causing radiation poisoning or toxic fumes and it produced a huge bang sound.

Hikers awoke terrified from the sound and thought maybe they are in a firing range of a military and wanted to get out as fast as they could. Ripped tent open and run for the Forrest for cover. Once they realized there were no more explosions. Some decided to head back and get equipment\cloths. But froze before reaching camp.

Tongue and part of mouth of one girl was not cut out or ripped off, but actually deformed by bacteria/poisoning.

Two males died/froze at the Forrest Camp. Last 4 survivors took their cloths and tried to move but fell perhaps 10 Feet into Ravine, cover in snow, possible hurt, froze to their death.

One of the responses links a website trying to give explanations says there was no cover up. Why this was not a public knowledge until 1990? I think this event was government cover/up secret. I lived in Russian for 16 years in Novosibirsk. And never heard of this incident before watching the movie.. I moved to states in 1990, right around the time, when changes were happening in Russia and many secrets became declassified.

1) Rockets Explosion = Orange Lights / Snow slide / Radiation
2) Proximity of Explosion and Radiation = Scarred Hikers, Run for Cover!
3) -30 C with out Cloths = Hypothermia / Quick Death
4) Damage from Explosion and Radiation and Fall into Ravine = Certain Death for remaining survivors.

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I agree with you, sergwiz.

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I like sergwiz theory the best. That's the one that makes the most sense to me.

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I knew about this story before seeing the movie but hadn't really investigated it. I spent last night reading about it (after seeing the movie). It's definitely a bizarre incident.

1. You have nine people who are experienced hikers and skiers, who know the climate and who absolutely understand the dangers of the trek.

2. These same people are in their tent, in a state of undress, presumably settling down to sleep.

3. Something happens to scare the hell out of them, so badly so that all nine of them flee through a rip in the tent, out into unsurvivable weather, insufficiently clothed.

4. What in the world could've frightened these people so badly that they ran out into certain death?

It sounds like they made it as a group to the edge of the forest near a cedar tree. They were able to make a fire. Two of the party never left the fire and died there. One man climbed a tree and possibly fell out. Three others died trying to make it back to the tent. Four others split off and were found in a ravine with crushed bones but no external wounds.

So many questions.

Why couldn't/didn't they use the tent entrance?

What was it that kept them from returning to the tent, which was their only true chance for survival?

Why did the man climb the tree? To view the tent? At night?

Why did only three decide to return to the tent?

Why did two not even try to leave the first fire?

Why did the four found in the ravine splinter off? (These four were wearing pieces of the dead party members' clothing.)

The likeliest scenario, if I try to be a full-blown rationalist, is that a threat of avalanche or heavy snow moment (with accompanying noise) woke them and they ran thinking they were escaping death under the moving snow. The tent was damaged and everyone ended up at the cedar, desperate. Two gave up immediately and died quietly at the fire. I don't know about the man in the tree. Three realized their only chance was retrieving supplies from the tent. The final four went looking for help and died falling into the ravine.

I'm not 100% convinced, though. The one photo I've seen of the downed tent doesn't indicate avalanche. But what else would make them flee into that weather, at night, barely dressed?

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A very good book on this incident was just released, titled "Dead Mountain: The Untold True Story of the Dyatlov Pass Incident", I picked it up last week and I couldn't put it down. After hearing of this incident only previously in a 10 minute except in an episode of Ancient Aliens, I was ready to believe the alien or UFO connection. However, after reading this book, I now have no doubts as to what happened.

The poster who left the link to the page which talked about infrasound was dead on. The hikers were unfortunate, they picked a spot to set up camp for the night which put them in a position where they were susceptible to a RARE occurrence in nature, called Karman Vortex Street. The wind whipped over the bald dome of the mountain, and created a stream of mini twisters hurling down the mountain and past their tent. This created sounds so terrifying that even the experienced hikers would have been extremely unsettled. This, in and of itself, would have probably been survivable however it was not their only torture that evening. The phenomenon also generates infrasound waves, which is known to cause temporary insanity, in varying degrees, during concentrated exposure. The combination of the intense winds, and the psychological effects of the infrasound were a deadly combination. In order to flea the terrifying sounds, and to them what must have been an unknown force causing them to panic (infrasound), they made a monumental error and fled their tent to find relief. After running about a mile, and actually finding temporary relief, they begin to come back to the real world only to realize the magnitude of their mistake, however with the lack of moonlight they are helpless to find their way back to the tent and they die of exposure.

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Did the book give an explanation for the clothes of Krivonishchenko highly contaminated with a radioactive dust?

How did the writer dealt with a commonly observed flying lights on the sky above that area? They were widely reported by meteorological stations personnel, hunters, tourists, native Mansi tribesmen and others. They were even said to be regular like a public transport.

I also read the book excerpt and I'm confused, because of what he did write about the discovery of the tent:

"As the young man begins to clear away the snow, his companion looks for a faster way inside. He picks up the ice ax and, in several swift motions, brings it down on the canvas, fashioning his own entrance."

It's well documented fact that fabric of the tent was cut from the inside.

I'm aware that Donnie Eichar comes from the family of great storytellers, but I'm curious, didn't he mix the facts with his imagination too much?



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Hard to know if you weren't there...

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I've read about that infrasound before.

But I've never read it was reproduced. If it is so specific, even if this sound is rare in nature, it should be easy to produce it artificially and test it on humans.

But I've never read about proof of it...

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Drugs or booze, and an orgy. Things got a little out of hand, though, so some of them got out for a walk and slipped, fracturing the skull of one of them and injuring the rest (broken ribs, etc). They screamed for help, but the others were too stoned to properly rescue the injured party, leaving their tents naked, got disoriented and frozen to death within minutes. One of them was so high he couldn't even find his tent's entrance, made one himself. Everyone dies, days pass, some small wild animal come and eat the girl's tongue and lips, being soft tissue and all, more days pass, their bodies are finally found. The guy with radiation in his body had been contaminated previously in a college experiment, because he studied it. Tragedy and lore make their job, the story becomes a legend.
Very anticlimatic (pun intended), but it's my theory. Also I'm sorry if it ended up insensitive or disrespectful with the people who died.

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Krivonishchenko had the clothes heavily contaminated with a radioactive dust. His hiking clothes, not his working clothes he wore while he was at the laboratory.


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I find the part about them being undressed or even nude, odd. They were in subzero or near zero temps right? An experienced hiker in that era would want to retain every bit of heat his gear and body could produce. They didnt have high-tech thermal sleeping bags and coats like they do now. Maybe they were planning some sexy-time? Or at least under the influence of drugs/alcohol?

I like almost every theory I've read about this incident. But people have been working on this for 50+ years and its still just theories.

The only theory I have is that something definitely scared an entire group of experienced outdoorsmen, and practical, science-minded people. Whether they were affected by sound waves from a snow twister (never heard that one), or LSD, or something alien or even a Yeti... who knows. But they were all scared *beep*less or at least witless, apparently.

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I doubt drugs. I suppose their bodies were examninated and any trace of drug would have been noticed.

The problem here to figure out what happened is that there is no found footage (lol) to show it, and what happened to them never happened before neither after. So we can't compare to anything we have better details.

In example, if they were carbonized, we'd know they were burned, because we've seen people burn and know how a burned body looks like and know it gets that way by effect of burn.

But there's no radiation sources there. What kind of animal would open somebody's mouth and eat only its tonge? most animals eat flesh and start in neck or belly. What would break skulls and libs without leaving external sign?

And what would make them scared to the point of ripping the tend and all of them flee and not get back? When they were found there was nothing on their tends seeming to be a threat.

IDK how people sleep in barracks over snow. In the movie they were almost naked. If it's normal to sleep undressed, it's just a matter of they be sleeping and somebody scare them and they rip the tend to flee. They didn't have time to properly open the tend, much less to get clothes to run carrying them.

But hey, when have this kind of thing happen to people in snow? I've heard no other case of people ripping tends and fleeing undressed. It's either something that gives them time to dress up and oppen the tend, or such a sudden threat that they are unable to react before being attacked.

This remembers me of this movie, when they are in the facility and mutants are pushing them into the portal but not attacking them. Something really thretening scared them, even hit and attacked some of them, but at the same time gave them opportunity to move and run.

I think they were being chased. Some kind of light or sound scared them and they fled, it chased them, they tried to hide, they split. Some were cautch and injured in different ways, others were able to hide and died frozen.

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I've done fairly extensive research on this case and my theory is the Yeti, but as with all Dyatlov theories it has flaws, here goes:

1. They set up camp in a slope, exposed to avalanches and wind in stead of among trees. Now I think they saw something among the tree area.

2. They had cut small holes to look through in the tents, this was because they had to have a lookout for what they saw earlier.

3. It couldn't have been an avalanche because of the foot prints, the tent being barely covered with snow etc.

4. They cut out of the tent and ran without clothes, now why? They might have been afraid of an avalanche or something else, if they perhaps saw the thing from afar through the peepholes. Let's say it was paradoxial undressing, well this might be the case but then some of them must have not had it or it might have worn of later because some bodies had the others clothes on them for warmth. And here's the interesting part, one of the bodies had a camera on it, now why would you care to grab a camera and not socks if you were scared unless you had the feeling it would be something to take a picture of. Well the person could have had it around his neck while sleeping but then that would have a reason as well.

5. A yeti wouldn't be concerned by removing the camera from the body, the military/government would, but then again it would be the perfect cover up to leave it , anyway it was damaged from water.

Now a lot of this is guessing and reasoning in favor of my theory that can otherwise be explained as I have commented myself but it does work on some level.

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Did anyone watch the truly lame Discovery program last night (2 hours long!) about the supposed evidence that they were attacked by a yeti? This show was so obviously scripted it was embarrassing. Sadly it totally undermined the argument so even if it could be true, this fiasco made it sound even more insane than usual.

I am perplexed, however, by the fact that Lyudmila Dubinina's eyes and tongue were torn out and some people claim this was due to animal predation. Apparently photos taken of her body on the day it was found show her propped up against a boulder, with her face against the rock.

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I watched that last night on Animal Planet. I thought the way they did it was pretty phony, I knew those investigators were just actors, it was like that Mermaid show they did and the Megalodon one. They need to hire better actors because you can see these people acting.

However, I had never heard of this case before and because that show was so obviously scripted, I looked it up to see if this was a real case. Now I remember having seen the trailer from this film.

It's a pretty interesting and confusing case. I'm of the belief it was the infrasound theory, avalanche theory or a military test gone wrong.

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