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I hate these kind of movies......they overreact to the issue


Yes, bad things were done to SOME kids. Yet the society completely overreacts. It happens to almost all children. An aunt or a neighbor will always have a sexual psychological effect on a young person after touching them inappropriately. A minor "hand on the leg of a teenage kid" and a priest is seen as Satan. A talk about sex and it traumatizes the child for life!?! Maybe in the old days....now....the internet is more traumatizing for adolescents than anything, they've seen things they never should have there and anything priests do can't be worse than that.
There's this witch hunt now with Adam Johnson and Stephen Collins....and do they seriously deserve it? People just make them feel guilty

I don't agree with the priests who did this to kids, but let me just doubt that a movie can accurately portray what happened. They just don't understand how sexual trauma works. The movie was fake in so many ways. Let me just doubt. And, by the way, the movie "Doubt" was much better than this





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The movie wasn't about a hand on the leg or a dirty joke or a porn magazine.
It was about abusing minors. About requesting blow jobs, doing intercourse with minors who previously though highly of that person.
And it wasn't some neighbor, friend or relative, it was a priest. That's like a teacher, just worse.

I haven't seen things worse in the internet.
They sure exist, but why should I go and check them out?

And where was there an overreaction?
Is uncovering child molestation within the church an overreaction?
That's what they did.
They didn't burn any houses and kill any priests or demanded to forbid the church.


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Kent_Kainer, the majority of paedophiles clerics in the Catholic Church have British Isles surnames. Naturally, to Latino people (Italians, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanians, Maltese, Monégesque, Corsicans, etc) and non-Latino people who are Catholics such as the Polish and Lithuanians...this British Isles surnamed paedophile crap is annoying. Certain British Isles surnamed fiends get to become clerics, molest young boys and then have other British Isles surnamed superiors in the hierarchy cover it up and shuttle the paedophiles around. Certainly, the Protestants in Britain have their hands full with the abundance of paedophile scandals and cover-ups within the Church of England. As a person of a Latino background, I resent the way people in the US are hating on Catholics who are mostly Latino people. It's not the Latino clerics in Boston (and basically worldwide) who offend. It's the British Isles surnamed ones. WASPs love to go on about the paedophile Catholic films, but...

"Spotlight" is about Father John Geoghan. British Isles surname.

"Deliver Us from Evil" is about Father Oliver O'Grady. British Isles surname.

"Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God" is about Father Lawrence Murphy. British Isles surname.

I can't believe that British Isles surnamed people are so inbred they can't even recognize British Isles surnames when they see them.

It's annoying to hear and see British Isles surnamed people hate on Catholics when British Isles surnamed fiends are the worst offenders in the Christian faiths. (And I'm a Evolutionist!)

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Well, this was pretty much a lifetime movie



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Well, this was pretty much a lifetime movie


You created the topic, player. Deal with it.

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LIFETIME MOVIES IN ASSOCIATION WITH IMDB PRESENTS:

From the culture which brought you "Rapists Only Rape Pretty Girls", and "Rape Culture: I Just Don't See It - Part II"-- and written by an anonymous dude on the Internet who may or may not know the first thing about sexual assault but appoints himself an expert on the subject anyway because who cares, comes the epic saga of hypocrisy, plausible deniability, and fleeing out of a hot kitchen:

I hate these kind of movies......they overreact to the issue

Quote from the trailer:

"It's just between you and the devil and God. You don't tell someone what you've seen in Hell."


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Re: The OP:

Well what would any discussion about rape be, without at least one rape apologist scribbling all over it?

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Yes, bad things were done to SOME kids.


SOME of whom are reading your remarks, which you present as a reasonable sample of what society's attitude should be towards them.

Yet the society completely overreacts.


"Society" is also comprised of sexual assault survivors - ahem, as you yourself so sensitively put it:


It happens to almost all children.


...then what this means is that "almost all" (almost ALL) members of society have been sexually assaulted in one form or another, as (now-grown) children. And your response is to stand separate and apart from your fellow members of society and then sweepingly dismiss them and their experiences.


An aunt or a neighbor will always have a sexual psychological effect on a young person after touching them inappropriately.


1. Survivors are not a monolith, and thus as individuals, they will have individual reactions to their experiences. Don't presume to speak for all survivors.

2. There is no global "Church of Aunties and Neighbors" which exerts its power and influence both on a social and individual level. Children who did find the wherewithal to outcry to their parent(s)/caregivers were often shamed and silenced further by physical force and assault from those same parent(s)/caregivers.

3. If you knew anything about sexual assault, you would know that the effect of being disbelieved after a survivor has disclosed/made an outcry, can and does manifest as secondary trauma.

A minor "hand on the leg of a teenage kid" and a priest is seen as Satan.


Here, you are subtly adjusting your argument by increasing the age of your hypothetical victim - and keeping up the pressure by continuing to minimize the actions of your hypothetical priest. A grown-ass man knows better than to be touching underage children - and in case you're not aware, the "hand on the leg" is often used as a litmus test to see how successfully a child's boundaries can be crossed.

A talk about sex and it traumatizes the child for life!?!


Pedophiles often groom their victims first, and one of the means by which they accomplish this is by "talking about sex", introducing pornographic materials and other escalating behaviors.

Maybe in the old days....now....the internet is more traumatizing for adolescents than anything, they've seen things they never should have there and anything priests do can't be worse than that.


And here, you are presuming to speak for all adolescents as to their thoughts and feelings towards the things they see and experience. And your level of care towards those imagined reactions extends only as far as it will act in service to once again distracting the focus away from the matter at hand.

There's this witch hunt now with Adam Johnson and Stephen Collins....and do they seriously deserve it? People just make them feel guilty


And once again, you move the focus even further away with your derail and false equivalences. How much did those whom the priests victimized deserve what was done to them? It's obvious where your sympathies lie.

I don't agree with the priests who did this to kids


The priests themselves rationalized and minimized their own actions - and both their collars and people like you acted as an effective shield between them/their crimes, and appropriate punishment, for generations.

There is no "neutral" when it comes to sexual assault. Choosing not to side with victims is choosing to side with rapists.

And that means agreeing with them as well.


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Oh, Miss Copy and Paste (AKA: tzogas) is at it again.

(One wonders if she actually smells like gas.)

Sic transit gloria mundi!

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One does not have to wonder, however, whether you believe that your insistent need to be the center of attention should take precedence over the serious matter at hand.

You and your selfish (and surname-obsessed) derails make the answer abundantly clear. So, too, does your stalking me to another thread in order to harass me further.

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If you knew anything about sexual assault, you would know........



And here you are, making an assumption about me...........do you think you know more about sexual assault?
The real traumatic ones are the ones you never tell. Not once. If you do have the guts to talk about it, then it wasn't that terrifying in the first place. It means you just want to be given sympathy. But the ones who have really been traumatized....let me just tell you...you never tell. It's just between you and the devil and God. You don't tell someone what you've seen in Hell.

A woman would never truly understand sexual assault. You talk and talk and talk. But you're meant to give it away. It's all just natural. You're just pissed that you couldn't give it away to whom you wanted to



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The real traumatic ones are the ones you never tell.


This isn't Sexual Assault Olympics - and you are not the arbiter of "trauma levels".

I've got things to do, but I'll be back for the rest of your post later.

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And here you are, making an assumption about me...........do you think you know more about sexual assault? 


Do I think I know more about sexual assault, as compared to whom? In any event, it does not please me to “know (any) more” than the next person; but when and where I'm presented with clear evidence that this is the case, I engage in my commitment to help by sharing what facts and information I have.

The real traumatic ones are the ones you never tell. Not once.


It is unclear whether you are issuing a command here and/or speaking from your own experience. I wouldn't ask you to make such a disclosure anyway, but I would suggest that even those who are survivors may evaluate/audit the experiences of other survivors and declare their own trauma to be comparitively “superior” in regards to its level of severity.

If this kind of comparitive evaluation were the sole metric by which all survivors measured the severity of their own abuse, we would not hear from ANY of them – because, there on the furthest end of the spectrum of sexual assault, are those who did not survive their attacks. Those are the ones who “never tell”. “Not once.”

Thus by your comparative reasoning, there are no survivors of sexual assault who shouldn't simply shut up and be grateful that they're still alive. I am not being hyperbolic here: this is the place to which your own slippery slope ultimately leads.

One of the problems in rape culture society is how individual victims are summarily disbelieved and/or mercilessly excoriated by others for their subjectivity when reporting their experiences. This makes secondary trauma likely, and it is also what makes rape the most underreported of all crimes.

And when you make declarations such as the one above, you sweepingly minimize the impact of rape in all but its most very severe cases/outcomes (death). Who told you that you could do this?

If you do have the guts to talk about it, then it wasn't that terrifying in the first place.


If, as you suggest, it “wasn't that terrifying in the first place”, then why on earth should “talking about it” require any “guts” at all?

Who's really "terrifying" whom around here? Survivors already have "guts"; it's the rest of society that doesn't even have the courage to actually HEAR survivors and BELIEVE them.

It means you just want to be given sympathy.


A most deserved (and welcome) humane response - and that to which you are suggesting they in particular are the very least entitled.

Well. “Let me just tell you”: You may ration and/or conditionally distribute your own empathy as a finite commodity. But you will not shame people, pre-emptively or otherwise, out of disclosing – nor will you shame those who intend to better-receive them.

But the ones who have really been traumatized....


Your rape apology is in itself traumatizing, and acts to maintain and reinforce rape culture.

let me just tell you...you never tell. It's just between you and the devil and God. You don't tell someone what you've seen in Hell.
 

As I've already iterated, I'm not here to force a disclosure, but I can tell you that in the event you are in fact a survivor and wish to disclose, there are advocates everywhere who can assist you in doing so.

A woman would never truly understand sexual assault. You talk and talk and talk. But you're meant to give it away.


I'm “meant to give away” my talk? Kidding – but – no kidding – in addition to being designated the sex class, women are exploited as a resource in most every other, non-sexual, context as well, as they are expected to give away their labor (including the emotional labor such as I am performing here) for free.

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Re: "A woman would never truly understand sexual assault.":


Women not only understand sexual assault, our understanding is also a compulsory component of our socialization process. The threat of sexual assault deeply and profoundly alters the ways in which girls and women move through the world. It is you who is neither able nor willing to understand this fact, nor even for a moment to try and comprehend our experience of the world by looking at it through our eyes.

It's all just natural.


The only persons who perceive rape as “natural” are rape apologists and rapists. Nor are these mutually exclusive, by the way.

You're just pissed that you couldn't give it away to whom you wanted to .


You're damn right I'm pissed. The right of an individual (male or female) to be the one getting to make the sole determination as to whether, when, where, how and with whom they will consent to sharing access to their own body – and those with whom they will not – is a fundamental right.

But I think you're just pissed when women are the ones asserting and enforcing it.

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You're just pissed that you couldn't give it away to whom you wanted to .


I first interpreted this as you making the assumptions that: 1) I am a rape victim; and 2) that my objections to rape are unjustified.

I was obliged to interpret it that way, so as to give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you are not a monster, but in fact merely ignorant.

But as of my second interpretation, my largesse has now come to an end.

Your statement: 1)Suggests that, when one is not accepting what another is offering, rape is the only alternative with which anyone should content themselves; and 2) Conveys the false rape myth that rapists rape to alleviate their "sexual frustration".

You are disgusting beyond all decent imaginings.

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To all survivors of sexual assault who may be reading this thread:

Because I have seen the lengths to which trolls will go to both provoke animosity and derail a thread to the point that it is ultimately removed by admin., at this time I want to take the pre-emptive measure of telling you that you are heard, you are believed, and you are valued.

Thank you.

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To all the British Isles paedophile clerics who have polluted the Roman Catholic Church and heathen Protestant denominations...get the F out of cleric positions so you can't commit your heinous crimes and have them covered up by other British Isles surnamed superiors in your district. Leave kids alone!

You don't understand the Bible, it's not your history/mythology. The many Latino countries in Latin Europe and Latin America are wise to you. You are the problems...not the Latino people in Old World Latin Europe and New World Latin America. Neither are the Polish, Lithuanian, and German Catholic clerics.

Get out of churches and stay out of churches British Isles fiends. In all countries you sexually offend children and cover-up. Then you'd like to put the blame on non-offending Latino surnamed Catholic priests as well as the Polish, Lithuanian and German ones. Just get the F out and embrace your extinction!

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I believe my point has thus been amply proven.

Stay strong, everybody, and be well.

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That's just your belief. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Oh wait, beans give you gas. Dig in and...

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ROTFL!!! This coming from a troll who obsessively rants about alleged British pedophile clerics (like that accomplishes anything) and demeans posters for holding opinions she doesn't share? She's either deranged with rage, or just a creep trying to provoke. Either way, Julia, why not live a more positive life? Get some help.

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Oh, "alleged British pedophile clerics", roreyqueen? (Or, since you're "ROTFL" should it be roaring queen?) I gave proof of the British Isles surnamed paedophile clerics by naming names. Facts are facts. Burying your head in the sand won't make the problem go away. What's the matter, did naming names make your little Protestant feelings get all butt hurt and put you in deep denial?

Or are you inbred to the point where you don't recognize British Isles surnames when you see them? Unless it's Brit Sissy actor Simon Woods' name. Get back to the Simon Woods IMDb message boards where you belong. That's where you'd let the world know about the crush you have on that transman Jodie Foster-looking British actor. You two should get together and stay away from males under 18.

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demeans posters for holding opinions she doesn't share?


It's not just a matter of differing opinions; it's about how Julian showed up right on schedule to illustrate my point, while simultaneously and inexplicably labelling that very same point as mere "belief"(opinion).

We're dealing with an unstable person who paradoxically behaves in predictable ways.

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Oh, tzogas (AKA: gassy gal and Mr. Flatulence) is at it again. He spends 23/7 with flatulence and then comes here 1/7 to let it rip on IMDb (often, in his copy and paste mode). Stinky man!

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I guess you have to let off your own pent-up steam somewhere, what with all the sucking-up you do everywhere else.

Re: Natural Functions and Time Management:

The human body and its functions are nothing to be ashamed of, "Doctor". You might as well try embarrassing people for having arthritis, or a headache, or for catching a cold.

As a person who works with clients with disabilities (and a belated happy United Nations' International Day of Persons with Disabilities(Dec. 3), everyone!), I know that the ability to confront the human body in all of its reality, is a compulsory skill. And a skill which, if not already inherent, can (and must) be learned.

I direct this compassion and understanding towards all other persons -- with the exception of those who wilfully abuse and exploit the humanity and good will of others.

F minus. We see you.

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Stick a butt plug in your mouth and another in your butt, gassy. Then explode, tzogas! Just explode!

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Stick a butt plug in your mouth and another in your butt, gassy. Then explode, tzogas! Just explode!


She seems nice.

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Stick a butt plug in your mouth and another in your butt


It's no great surprise to see a rape apologist use penetrative imagery as their preferred method of humiliation.

Your attempt has failed. But I see you.

You're more akin to a rapist than you might like to think.

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"You're more akin to a rapist than you might like to think."

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Are you for F in real crackpot? I'm a happily married grandmother, you filthy little snotrag. You'd better watch your lowlife mouth you dirty paedophile shielding skank. One of these days you're liable to insult the wrong stranger on-line, you inbred sack of incest, you! I'm talking to you tzogas bumpkin.

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Are you for F in real crackpot?


Annnnd...let the escalating to violence and threats begin...

I'm a happily married grandmother,


I doubt it. Is this really the way a "happy" woman behaves?

you filthy little snotrag.


And on a Sunday, too!

You'd better watch your lowlife mouth you dirty paedophile shielding skank.


Or you'll do what, grandma?

One of these days you're liable to insult the wrong stranger on-line,


I know what it's like to be violently punished by a thin-skinned coward for merely speaking my own mind. I am not afraid of anything. Observe while I stand in the face of your threats as I flip you the finger.


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Drop dead! But first flip your ill-natured, inbred parents the finger! If you're not addicted to something lethal, get addicted quickly and put yourself out of your misery. Or, simply go to a kennel and pay them to have you and each of your family members put down. IMDb would be a much better place for it.

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IMDb would be a much better place for it.


Oh, I doubt that, too.

Elsewhere on this site and in threads regarding various subjects, I've been honored with expressions of thanks for my advocacy and support - one person even called me their "Internet hero" - and from time to time I've been made aware of a "fan" or two.

But that's not why I do what I do. I stand up for what is right because it's the right thing to do.

And I know that you know, deep down, that what I am doing is right.

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tzogas, you're a lout and a bore. Your annoying self-importance is utterly repulsive! I'm putting your gassy a$$ on Ignore User presently, Mr. Flatulence.

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"You're more akin to a rapist than you might like to think."


In order to give your insults greater force and context of humiliation, you rely heavily on images of bodily penetration/degradation.

You think like a rapist.

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Eat sh yt and bark at the moon. It's you who think like a rapist. Whether you're a man or a woman (or a trannie), you're not exempt from being a paedophile shielder and/or a rapist. You're obsessed by the topic of rape. I wonder how many kiddies (and adults) are unsafe in your area. You're one heck of a creepy dude/chick, tzogas! Gassy, too!

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And now I'm living in your head rent-free.

I guess if we're going to watch you trash this thread with your meltdowns, might as well find it entertaining.

*Flips the bird again*

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You're obsessed by the topic of rape.


There has never been a problem anywhere that has ever been solved by not talking about it. You are obsessed with shaming others into silence. No sale.

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You're obsessed in an unhealthy one-sided way when the topic is rape, tzogas. According to you, certain rapists aren't as bad as others (e.g. saintly British Isles surnamed clerics). One wonders if you're a British Isles surnamed person...simultaneously a disgrace to males under 18 and African-Americans. Anyway, I'm putting you on Ignore User NOW. (Hint: I won't be reading your messages anymore, Mr. Flatulence.)

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Projection is such a magical thing. And it's so awesome when trolls do the disappearing for me.

Something tells me I shouldn't be so lucky, however.

Oh, and Re:

lout


A slang term of British etymology.

Fancy that, Guv'nah...

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You're very odd and somewhat creepy.
Ta-ta. You're on ignore.😇

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This has got to be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever read.

<<<Yes, bad things were done to SOME kids. Yet the society completely overreacts. It happens to almost all children.>>>

You obviously don't get that when a person of authority, a priest/minister abuses a child, it is not only sexual abuse, but spiritual. Their very souls are damaged.

You state that a movie can not accurately portray what happened.

I have spoken to many of the people who were involved in SPOTLIGHT, they were all very pleased with how the story was accurately portrayed.

I would also highly suggest you read the book WHISTLE, to learn just how far this cover up goes back and the horror stories included in it of the abuse of children, how the church knew and did NOTHING!!

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You clearly don't understand what sexual abuse is. I know.

It can be and is done by everyone everywhere. Blaming the Church or priests is just finding a scape goat.







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People overreact to many things. Look how the entire world is currently persecuting an entire religion. Calling all Muslims terrorists is the same as calling all Catholics pedophiles.

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True.
And the witch hunt of Adam Johnson and Stephen Collins as of late. They're not half guilty as far as I'm concerned. I'd elaborate, but I don't think I'd attract more than criticism.

A 16-17 year old teenage tramp is allowed to use her last generation mobile phone to chat with football players online!! Says on trial she feels dirty because Adam Johnson pushed her head there. Come on, like she didn't know what she was doing.....Why did her parents let her use the internet for those things? The only thing a God fearing parent would have done was to spank the girl and then go give Johnson a black eye and force him to marry her. That's what people would have done back in the days. Now.....they scream "rape" and send young men to jail......




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>I don't agree with the priests who did this to kids

Not so sure about that, but if you say so...

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You clearly have issues that generated this way of thinking and I hope you've dealt with them since.
But in order to clarify some things I'll say this: If things had been done to "SOME" kids or A LOT of kids please realize that this is NOT NORMAL and NOT OKAY. You can't possibly be thinking that "if it's everywhere then its okay".
Children can't process their emotions properly. They process this trauma internally and grow up to be drug-users, cutters, suicides, and in the good cases depressed all their lives because they feel like it was their fault. So NO, bad things werent done just to SOME kids. If each of those priests abused 1 kid each then it's at least 90 kids. After the phone calls there were over 600 just in the Boston area. Think about it.

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