just watched the trailer. i'm too lazy to do the math, but are there African Americans that are fifth generation ivy league graduates. It seems like the first black graduate of Harvard was in 1870. Even if the math works out, that's crazy how rare a fifth generation a black ivy league students would be, even though fifth generation white ivy league students are much more common.
Nope. Just TP doing a story with no research. He's lazy that way. He throws details into a story because he wants them there, not because they fit.
TP could have started here and found some nice details for his story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-American_firsts But he's too lazy.
Sort of like the cop who can't get a job in Why Did I get married too, even though he has experience as a sheriff. Police departments are always hiring, and cops with good stananding US military have first crack at those jobs.
A little more on Richard Greener the first Black Harvard graduate: http://massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=35 Tragic how his wife tried to pass for White.
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5th generation Ivy League? His ancestors must have became parents when they were teenagers, before they even enrolled in an Ivy League school!
shareIt's one of several examples of poor research in the film.
Even if the four prior generations of graduates were born with their parents at an average age of 25, which is young for Ivy League grads to be having kids, that's roughly 43 years between generations. 43 x 5 = 215 years. 2012 - 215 = 1803. The Ivy league schools didn't start graduating black students until after the Civil War.
The wage garnishment thing is totally wrong. IRS (and state income tax) garnishment rules require that a person whose wages are being garnished for back taxes, child support or anything else can't garnish the portion of the wages are are more or less a "basic allowance". If she was working 80 hours at minimum wage, there would have been no wages available for the IRS to garnish, as her total earnings would have been less than the basic allowance for a head of household with one dependent. Payroll and/or HR departments are mandated to give employees who have been hit with a wage garnishment order forms to fill out to claim their basic allowance.
And in the final scene when they're all aboard the flight to Africa, that's not possible either. You can get a passport in one day, although it isn't easy. But there's no way the mother and daughter got passports that night after getting the tickets, in order to board the flight the following morning.
Jake: How often does the train go by?
Elwood: So often that you won't even notice it.
Talk about a lack of research and goofs. Trying to enjoy the story but the holes...
Took place in san francisco but saw at the beginning what looked like riverboats and couldnt tell if that was savannah (since it was filmed here in atlanta) or SF. I've been to SF and don't remember river boats... And the car... had a tag on front when we first saw Walt, then there's no tag - but was probably canned footage since obviously that wasn't Walt and TP in the car in that short clip.
If his dad made software for the military, it belonged to the military. He would have no rights to it.
She was widowed by soldier killed in middle east 2 years ago, she would have gotten $400k SGLI (life insurance for military) for him being in a combat zone, where did that money go?
And research on being a good mom....
Mom is consistantly late with daughter at school and passes on job because she HAS to take her kid to school. School bus? Why insist on this display of being a 'good mom' when it hurts her from bringing home the bacon and hurts her daughter at school? Just that day she has her kid staying in a cleaning closet during her whole shift, bet those fumes are healthy.
Still like the movie tho...
Maybe he is partially white and one or two of his generations went to an Ivy League school.
shareEwww, a half-breed! That doesn't count!(j/k, I'm black, lol)
All joking aside, 5th generation ivy league does sound ridiculous. It just speaks to how power Tyler Perry's writing skills (and common sense) are. Although, maybe the movie takes place in the future? Space cadet Tyler Perry, to the rescue!!
Ewww, a half-breed! That doesn't count!(j/k, I'm black, lol)
Heey! It's a black guido (no offense)! it's just such a funny mental picture with a tough, black guy waving his hands all around, discussing the pasta.
shareLOL! I love that you answered an offended comment with something more personally insulting. Haha. And I'm glad you haven't gotten any flak for it! :)
shareThe first black students to attend Yale graduated over 150 years ago. Assuming there are about 25 years between each generation, it's completely possible for a black family in America to have 5 generations of ivy league graduates.
shareDid some research and a fifth-Generation Ivy Leaguer who can trace themselves back 100 years ago to 1912, would be light-skinned, almost white looking dude like W.E.B. Dubois, and Walter White the first head of the NAACP. Moreover, he'd be marrying a light skinned black woman from one of the wealthy families, not some plain old middle-class black chick like Gabrielle Union is playing.
Sorry, that chick would be out of his league among the Black Elite. In the Black Elite, elites marry elites. This is how they keep the wealth in the families.
If TP just read Our Kind of People, a book about the Black elite, The Blacker The Berry, or E. Franklin Frasier's Black Bourgosie He'd have known this. But TP never does any research.
Which is why his movies SUCK.
The most Gabrielle Union's character would be to him is SIDE ASS.
The most a baby mama would be to him is the janitor. Pedigreed brothers from the Black Elite don't mess with Baby mamas. And they don't play Captain save a hoe.
And his mama wouldn't be telling him to be happy. She'd be telling him to marry someone from a family or get disowned.
Damn, TP, do some research before you write another craptacular movie. When you can't get the facts right
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So in your little world all black people in the "black elite" act alike, think alike, and speak alike.
Oh and only successful people are light-skinned? Good to know that there are still ignorant black people in the world to keep the rest of us down. No matter how hard we try to get away from you there you are with your crab claws.
"Good to know that there are still ignorant black people in the world to keep the rest of us down. No matter how hard we try to get away from you there you are with your crab claws."
LOL!!! Thanks for that comment about shawn, RidiculousPasta. Shawn is a real ignorant douchebag.
Shawn James if you want to put Tyler Perry down that's your right but try to do so with an ounce of intelligence. Your views are beyond antiquated and your ignorance is both insulting and disgusting. You too need to do research and let us hope that it is reflective of the modern day.
shareI am not putting Tyler Perry down. I just wish the man would do some research before he puts his fingers to the keyboard.
My views are not beyond antiquated, they are real. A fifth generation Ivy-league graduate who is a member of the Black Elite would be a light-skinned individual. He'd be following social rules you or I would never even think of. Guys in this class of Rich only associate from members of a family. Status is extremely important for them.
A member of the Black elite would get disowned for getting involved with a cleaning lady in public. Normally they'd have a pump and dump affair and call it a day.
On top of it if this woman is the widow of an army vet doesn't she get money from the military? Survivor's benefits? Oh, that went down the plot hole.
With TP movies most people fall for the deflections that make feeling so good that they don't pay attention to the little details that cause his stories to fall completely apart.
Good Deeds is the simp action hour made to take black women's money.
I don't buy into feel-good nonsense from a
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Why not just say 3rd or 4th generation? Because 5th generation just sounds better. Which explainis why Tyler Perry is just an awful writer.
shareYour color struck drivel aside, I'm a veteran and there are plenty of widow's who have had to fight for those rights. Most certainly not a given. Hell, even a local guy (i'm from Central California) named Jared Hubbard...a veteran himself, had to go to D.C. with his family and testify before Congress because they were trying to deny his family survivor's benefits for his TWO brothers that were both killed in the Second Gulf War. Look up the Hubbard Act. Your ignorant ideas of color and elitism would be comical if you didn't really believe them.
All that said...Tyler Perry is not a good director and really should get outside help to improve what on a base level are good IDEAS and help translate them into better material.
The black elite subject always facnistead me because I've always known they date/marry online within the wealth or higher and only light skin people. I also know many did not marry white but the blacks that married were super light or mixed looking. It's like they created their own race or something.
I'm not saying it's right but atleast they did not marry much whites or that wasn't exactly their goals. I think they were proud black people but to a certain degree, they believed in strong work ethics and a good education and preferred marrying only to lighter skin black folks with money.
hello shawnjames2000 on another account. I refuse to believe that 2 seperate people are this f'cking stupid.
shareI will definitely read those books and you are right. Back in those days lights messed with lights and looked down upon the darker skin blacks.
I know since my family was from the south and very much into education and marrying within our own, within their own I should say since I'm the black sheep of the family even though I'm lighter than everyone else but I did not go to college so that's just as bad.
He's talking about today. Steer clear of those books, they're obviously a black hole for common sense.
shareThe most a baby mama would be to him is the janitor. Pedigreed brothers from the Black Elite don't mess with Baby mamas. And they don't play Captain save a hoe.
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The first black person to graduate Yale was in 1858. Say a Generation is 30 years, and it is possible .
The arc of history does not bend toward justice through capitulation cast as compromise.
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I think the ignorance stems from disbelief that any African-American attended and Ivy League school in the 1800’s. Most of the posters claiming TP should do more research clearly haven't done much of their own. Harvard is not the only Ivy League school. So, why is it the litmus test?
Dartmouth had 6 African-American graduates pre-civil war. Winfield Scott Montgomery was the first of 3-generations in his family to graduate in 1878. His son graduated in 1906, and his grandson in 1931. Courtlandt Van Rensselaer graduated Yale with an M.D. in 1857, and Edward Bouchet graduated with a PH.D in 1876.
These are just a few examples. People need to do their own research before critiquing anyone else.
It's easier for them to whine about everything he does than to accept a FICTIONAL story that's uplifting and positive.
Aside from the fact that many of you have proven it's possible, they still find it easier to hate him because he's a successful black man who's not afraid to show his face, or share his thoughts.
Tyler isn't the first successful black man they've tried to rip to shreds with their crab claws.
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Can't remember the fancy way to cover it up............ giving plenty of warning
With the passport thing, there is a small possibility... very small but plausible.... since she is the widow of a soldier she may have already had passports. What I don't get is where did her money go? Even with losing someone state side you get a substantial amount of money; if she wasn't the beneficiary that would make sense
Exactly! Ignorance abounds and some people just hate Tyler Perry no matter what!
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Thanks for the short history lesson,zabbree.Good to see some of us do some research,not just whine and attack movies.Also as you or another poster mentioned about the The Green Mile,how we can find some errors or goofs.
I remember all fussbuckets complained about the inconsistencies of EASTERN PROMISES,one of the best films of the last decade!
Very true. Here in MD (where I live) and I can say that it's very true. Nothing far fetched about 5th generation ivy league.
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It just seems so petty. Movies are filled with goofs. Just pick any movie on this site. The Green Mile is one of my favs and it has many aspects that are historically inaccurate.
share^^Agreed!
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I can definitely believe what was said about the so-called "elite" blacks. We blacks, as a people, will never admit it but we spend most of our lives trying to be better white people than white people are.
Whether you live in the hood or live in a mansion: get some money in your hands and what do most of us do? Go buy a big truck or a Lex. Why? ...because we saw somebody white driving one.
Yeah, black man should be drivin' a Cad-o-lac, Jack. smh
shareThis was not a goof or historically inaccurate.
shareA generation is 20 years. So where is the problem? Also Harvard is not the only Ivy League school, I hope you know. http://news.yale.edu/2007/05/30/yale-celebrates-150th-anniversary-first-african-american-graduate
Tyler isn't the one who needs to do research. Plenty of room for ignorant haters to crack a book or Google it.
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I'm not too sure that 5th generation ivy league white students are common. I mean in comparison to the whole population. How many white people you know that there great great great grandmother or father went to an Ivey league school. I'm white and I don't know one single person. Perry is WAYYYY of on this one.
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