they havent paid crew still
interesting fact... you know they made this film over a year ago and still havent paid about half the crew!!
Judging by the reviews, maybe they shouldn't get paid.
shareas one of the crew members... i think no matter how bad the movie was... we deserved to get paid ;)
shareIf i built a house which was structurally unsound and it fell down would i deserve to get paid?
That's one of the stupidest comparisons I've ever read.
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If the movie was a resounding success you'd feel happy to absorb some glory and credit for that, why not accept some blame for a stinker?
shareHow can you blame the boom operator or gaffer for a terrrible script or direction? They were to be paid for a function they performed. They did their job. They should be paid. The producers will no doubt go bust then start up a new company the next day.
That's kinda missing the point of what I said.
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Actually I think you're kinda missing the point of how movies are made. Expecting a boom operator to take any part of the blame for a failed film is like expecting the groundskeeper at Wrigley Field to take heat for the Cubs' crappy season. Never mind sacrificing his paycheck over it.
With all due respect to the hard work they do, and the essential role they play in the process, their significance as relates to the quality of the finished product is miniscule compared to the director, producers, cinematographer, editor, screenwriters, etc. They're blue-collar guys working long hours at a difficult job, and usually getting paid crap to do it. Suggesting they shouldn't be paid if the project isn't successful is stunningly ignorant.
And no, they don't get to absorb any of the glory or credit either. Can you name any of the Foley editors on The Avengers? Despite all the glory and credit they've obviously absorbed, I'll bet you can't. I'll bet even Joss Whedon couldn't. And Foley guys are waaaaay higher up on the film-making food chain than a lowly boom operator. So cut the working man a break already.
Luke Dunn Gielmuda was the senior Foley on Avengers - I'm a huge fan. I saw his potential when he was just assistant foley on Panic Room, but he really came into his own with Zoom (crap movie only made bearable by his exceptional handling of the sound atmosphere in the lab scenes).
I think he overdid it with Cloverfield, but it looks like that was just an experimental phase, since he dialed it right back with Crystal Skull (such a deft touch - Shia LaBoeuf's "No No No" came through as clear as day!) Then 9, Avatar, Cowboys & Aliens - man, I will go to any movie if I know the sound has felt his artistry...
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You SHOULD HAVE been payed for your work, regardless..(this IS America, right?)
But, people now days don't think about minor consequences, such as payment, because you were told that you are going to be IN THE MOVIES...all thought about being "ripped-off" never even entered the mind!
Although, it serves you right, I bet the next time someone says: "Your hired" too star in a movie!...you STILL would'nt think about the last time someone ripped you off in a movie production setting, am I right?!
crew aren't in movies. they work on them. and i bet you my left arm every crew member there has at one time or another worked for free on a movie. and not because they have stars in their eyes, but because they want to work on movies. It's not some corny ass "teachable moment" where somebody else gets to point out some profound watermark on where modern-day culture stands and why it serves them right to learn a lesson the sh!t way.
and you get paid as a crew member to do your work. not how well or how badly you do it. that does not enter into the formula (unless otherwise stipulated in your contract). And this is not unfair at all. You should get paid simply to do the work. But depending on how well you did it, you will either get called up to work on another movie (or be OKd when you request to) or you will be skipped over by someone who will try to do a better job than you.
and this ain't a shot from the peanut gallery; i've worked for free and i work for pay. i love them both but money is real nice.
depending on where you are (not sure about the states but in canada) you get paid for any work you do even if the work you did wasn't up to par or to the approval of those who hired you
shareMoronic comment. If they were working lighting or sound or craft services, how is it their fault the film is bad? Why don't they deserve to get paid? By your standard if you work at a McDonalds and make crappy food you should do it for free.
What is with all the hatred of filmmakers? It's not just the writers and directors but even the crews. It's turned into a thankless profession. If the film is a hit you are attacked for being greedy because you made money and if the film flops you don't deserve to get paid. If you are offended by bad movies then stop watching them. Truth is don't watch them and they will go away because it's a business. If you do watch them then you have nothing to complain about. It's like politics. People hate Congress yet every election year they reelect the same idiots as last term. It's not the other guy's candidate it's yours as well.
"If i built a house which was structurally unsound and it fell down would i deserve to get paid?"
It was an arduous undertaking, but I've finally done it! I've found the dumbest person on IMDB!
You obviously have no idea how the industry works. There are people that work above the line, Producers, Directors, Production Designer, etc. And then there are below the line. Gaffer, Electric, Key Grip, Grip, Dolly Grip, 1st AC, Best Boy, props, set dec, construction, sound, etc. These are all blue collar jobs, union or non union. They are often working 12-18 hour days, 70-90 hour works weeks for first unit people. I've sometimes eaten 3 meals on set and then slept in my car because I'm on a forced call time the next morning with no sleep, no turn around. I once worked 22 days straight. I know people that have worked 6 weeks straight on Fast Five. Most people have no idea how hard film crews work. And they should NEVER be withheld a wage just because the final product is lame. Otherwise it'd be slave labor, and that is against the law. Crews rarely care about the script or final product, they are there for the paycheck. When it comes down to it, the film business and the term "Movie Magic" refers to highly mechanized skilled union labor. Think the circus meets the military.