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How did this even get made?


I know this was a bastardized version of a fictional book, but every time they would just completely ignore historical facts, I wanted to scream. First, Edward III, by all accounts, was devoted to his wife Philippa, who was completely absent in this series. Yet they have this Edward nonchalantly kicking some tramp out of his bed without a second thought. Also, there is no way on earth young Princess Joan would have been in France during military campaigns. Beyond lame. Finally, by the time the plague hits, Edward and Philippa had already lost two children to death, and two others besides Joan also died of the plague. But there was no mention of any other children at all. Apparently Joan was Edward's only child and she had no mother, at least according to this series.

Queen Isabella was banished from court by Edward in 1330 and never returned. She wasn't a total bitch as portrayed in World Without End, and Edward and his family often visited her in her castle in Norfolk. She enjoyed warm relations with all of her children (including Edward), and became a nun before dying in 1358. I loved how she appeared to be at death's door in the summer of 1348, when she visited Joan's body, but seemed hale and hearty in the snow during the attack on Kingsbridge, even though she had told Edward she "wouldn't live to see another Christmas."

Edward II was an unmitigated disaster as a king, as Ben Chaplin alludes to. But while posing as Thomas Langley, he demonstrated a strength of character, good sense, and kindness for others that Edward just did not possess. I hated to see them whitewash him. Also, there is no way on earth people would be so accepting of homosexuality in a small-town monk. The writers tried to apply modern attitudes to people who supposedly lived almost 700 years ago, and it was stupid.

In fact, there was WAY too much assigning of modern ideals to medieval people throughout the series. A nun, elevated to prior, addresses a congregation (a congregation that suspiciously fills the church, even though it's immediately after the Great Mortality? Hmm ...)? Serfs get to argue with lords? Two nuns walk through an active war zone in France without a scratch? A nun leaves her order to live with her former lover -- without benefit of marriage -- and no one blinks an eye? Apparently everyone can read and write? Totally ridiculous.

Another thing -- I just could not get past that Philippa chick's hair. I know, I know, it's such a minor thing, but every single time she was on screen all I could think was, "That trick needs a creme rinse in the worst way!" I mean, the actress's hair isn't normally that crazy kinky curly, so why did they make it so god-awful in this series? Also, I never got who, exactly, she was. Was she a daughter of William's? Was she William's wife's friend? Dunno. In the book, she was actually married to William, but her presence, as far as I can tell, was never explained here.

All in all, this was an unmitigated disaster.

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Great review from someone who actually knows their stuff. Totally convinced me this isn't worth the trouble of watching. Thank you.

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There is little fictionalized "history" that doesn't take great liberties with the actual facts. I would hope that most viewers would recognize that and not rely on garbage such as this for their history lessons.

What I found objectionable were all the cliche, wooden characters; the rocket-sled careening from one catastrophe to another; Cynthia Nixon, etc.

Mostly I felt sorry for Indira Varma who can't seem to last more than an episode or two of a miniseries or TV series before being killed or committing suicide. They might as well put a Star Trek red shirt on her.

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Indira Varma lasted through most if not all of the first season of Rome. I quite liked her in that. But the Star Trek red shirt comment made me chuckle. Thanx!

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I don't think I've ever agreed more with someone's post on this site. Excellent analysis (even on Philippa's hair!)

I kept wondering where the king's 8+ children were! Especially the Black Prince and John of Gaunt, two of my favorite historical characters.

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Edward III and Phillippa of Hainault had a very good relationship by the standards of the time, but he was still unfaithful to her even in their younger years. When they reached middle age he outright took a mistress the infamous Alice Perrers. If you fill in the blanks he was probably unfaithful to her when separated from her for month on campaign in France.

I agree with the rest.

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After the 100th person Cynthia Nixon killed, I just gave in and laughed my ass off.

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Actually, the series made it fairly plain that Philippa was married to William. The hairstylist said that she wanted Philippa's hair to make her stand out (mission accomplished) and was aiming for the sort of dreamy, curly, impossibly long locks of Renaissance art (mission NOT accomplished). The actress's natural hair would have been far more attractive and would have gotten plenty of attention and for the right reasons.

They did allude to Edward III having other children. He tells Joan that she's his favorite child. And when Caris challenges Ralph about written orders and Ralph jeers "What man here can read?", only Merthin is able to speak up and say that he can read, and Merthin was the son of an Earl.

As for Isabella being cured when she was supposedly at death's door, either Edward III's doctors were better than Isabella's and cured her, or she was just pretending to be ill in a bid for sympathy.

And yes, Edward III may have been devoted to his wife, but that doesn't mean he didn't dally with trollops. No one in those days expected a king to be faithful to his wife. Henry VIII cheated on the daughter of Spain's monarchs, and she never dared complain. Only the woman was expected to be faithful.

But you raise a lot of excellent points with the rest of your post.

PS: I wanted to add that perhaps they only showed Joan in the series because of the complications of using child actors and portraying characters who begin as children but age many years during the course of the show. I can see why they might want to simplify that aspect, especially if it isn't central to the story.

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They allude to the other children of Edward, but never even show them, and this despite his son Edward the Black Prince being present at the Battle of Crecy, which they never name either.

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"Also, there is no way on earth young Princess Joan would have been in France during military campaigns."

But Joan DID die of the plague while passing through France on her way to Castile. That aspect was historically accurate. Well, except her body was never brought to London; she's buried in France. That part was inaccurate.

"Also, there is no way on earth people would be so accepting of homosexuality in a small-town monk. The writers tried to apply modern attitudes to people who supposedly lived almost 700 years ago, and it was stupid."

It's not like it was widely publicized. I think only, what, two people knew about it? One of whom was gay herself and naturally wouldn't be inclined to rat them out. And Caris explicitly said that they shouldn't talk about it because if Godwyn got wind of it there would have been dire consequences. Yes, homosexuality was heavily persecuted in those days, but gay people have always existed, they found each other somehow which means they couldn't hide it 100%, and surely SOME of them got away with it due to others turning a blind eye. It was the Middle Ages but people were still people. I think that's something that a lot of us forget. The Middle Ages was a very different time, but sometimes we act like it was a completely different universe with a different human species that bears no relation to us at all, and that's not the case.

I agree with some of the criticisms in this post, but others I think are a little overly harsh.

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