MovieChat Forums > Won't Back Down (2012) Discussion > beautiful film. i worked at a community ...

beautiful film. i worked at a community college


and although its not a direct match up, this movie is so beautiful i dont know what to say.

unions are not the whole answer, and unions are not the whole problem, the answer is people like the Davis and Gyllenhall characters who keep trying to improve things.

really, there is just so much ossified bureaucracy, there are some truly rotten systems in place that push people to do awful things, while good people are ostracized and expelled for saying anything. and yes, i would say that some sociopaths are coddled and promoted while they do horrible things.

the administration of colleges has gotten really corrupt, where 'part time professor' has become the rule, no health care, no insurance, not even what one would call a "career" - while the administrators get huge bonuses. and this is for professors who are teaching future nurses and so forth and so on. there is no union - and unions could fix some of this. but not all of it. you need to realize these community colleges are getting the products of the unionized school systems - where kids, yes, cannot do basic reading comprehension, where teachers showed films in class instead of teaching, where every student has to go through remedial math classes that in other countries would have been done in 7th or 8th grade. its not just a union vs non union thing.

the world is held up by people like this Gyllenhall character. not that everything was bread and roses after the end... but that is not the point. the point is that you dont let yourself be beaten down by things that are clearly unfair and hateful and mean and small.

it goes beyond any party, any political philosophy, anything like that. its about the students, and this thing called 'education', which is fundamental to our nature as human beings.

Don't know how to say how great Davis and Gyllenhall were in this. Wow.

reply

Great comment!

Positive and empowering film. The Davis and Gyllenhall characters had a strong vision and kept it alive against all odds. It shows how people with their attitude can make a huge difference. This film is sending out a powerful message and is part of an overall shifting in attitude thats taking place.

reply

This movie is great and inspiring, I can't believe it was ignored in the box-office because some unions called it propaganda!

What it propagated to me is what I already knew - the education is important and should be taken seriously by everyone involved, including teachers too. Say what you want, but people who oppose getting better quality education to everyone, (especially those with low income) because they want to keep getting some union benefits are in the wrong. Unions like this have to adapt and help their members to become better professionals instead of keeping them back.

reply

"I can't believe it was ignored in the box-office because some unions called it propaganda!"

Whatever the "all-powerful" unions are guilty of, tanking this movie isn't one of them. Sure, plenty of people panned it - and many without even having seen it. But it didn't do well because a)it didn't have enough of a marketing machine behind it (StudentsFirst pushing it at every turn just wasn't enough - they're no Disney) and b) It just got poor word of mouth. It wasn't just a 'union' thing - the reviewers genuinely didn't like it.

"Say what you want, but people who oppose getting better quality education to everyone, (especially those with low income) because they want to keep getting some union benefits are in the wrong."

Well, yes.... and people who want to close public schools, privatize education and reduce the teaching profession to an unstable financial calling with no benefits, protection or bargaining power are also in the wrong.

reply

I would agree with you, but I'm not sure there are all that many people that are 'against giving education to poor people BECAUSE they want union benefits'. Those aren't mutually exclusive concepts, nor even competing concepts.

reply

No point paying a decent salary when there are a crapload of people willing to work for free.

You may deserve to complain if you are teaching STEM at your community college. But if you are teaching useless stuff, don't expect much pay or respect. Plenty more where you come from.

reply