Anyone else notice the amount of female nudity in Hollywood films and see the imbalance. I notice that when male actors take their clothes off it is usually just a butt shot, or a penis shot for cheap laughs. But has any male actor ever been nude in a film for an extended period of time where it wasn't for cheap laughs and the nudity was critical to the plot of the film?
shareYeah, Fassbender should have gotten nominated for shame.
Also, there's a lengthy fight scene in Eastern Promises, in which Viggo is visibly nude for throughout.
I'm sure there are more, but probably low key films.
Females do get more naked than males in hollywood.
But I failed to see the relation with oscar nominations. What are the other examples?
Actresses who have been nominated or won Oscars for roles in which they disrobed.
Natalie Portman - The Closer
Michelle Williams - Everything she's in
Halle Berry - Monsters Ball
Cate Blanchett - Notes on a Scandal
Kathy Bates - About Schmidt
Rooney Mara - Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Glenn Close - Albert Nobbs
Kate Winlset - The Reader
Felicity Huffman - Transamerica
Judi Dench - Mrs Henderson Presents
Diane Keaton - Somethings Gotta Give
Because a woman's body is more beautiful...nobody wants to see a dangling Dick on screen..
shareA.Dangling-Dick?. Is this a new actor I haven't heard of?.
shareHahhahahh!! C'mon u know what I mean. I'm just saying a male genitalia on screen is not a pretty sight....
A nude female is actually beautiful sight. Personally I don't want to see any naked male on screen because I'm not gay.
It has nothing to do with double standards or being sexiest, its the way it is.
It is a double standard because I'm female and I do enjoy male nudity..
The Romans thought much of the male physique and celebrated it far more than the female
Besides..truth is....A good muscular male body is just as beautiful as a well proportioned female body but I think men are more intimidated. They can'[t handle it.
oh k good.
shareAlthough the Oscars are very guarded about who is actually a member, It is assumed that most of the people who are a members are white men. They are going to remember a film where an attractive lady takes off her clothes a lot more than one where a man does.
I Sympathise with Lars Von Trier.
I honestly dont have a problem with seeing men being naked onscreen. I think female gaze needs to be vented out further. Part of the problem is also that their are fewer good quality female filmmakers. Once this is addressed, other things will automatically fall in place.
shareI think there are lots of factors to take in to account here:
For starters, as you haven mentioned above there are fewer female film makers particularly in the US, although it has to be said that, that doesn't directly have an affect on if there will be male nudity in those films. For example Sarah Polly's most recent feature film Take this Waltz had a lot of full frontal female nudity in it, this was to make a particular point. So really the nudity should fit the film, regardless of the sex of the director. Although I concede that a women is going to more likely want to see a man naked in a film, so by the same token a female director is more likely to create a plot that might have this.
Secondly, (and I mentioned this above) in Europe (especially main land Europe In the UK we're all still a bit prudish) Nudity in general is just not an issue. Certainly not as big an issue anyway, for example Shame which was a NC-17 in the US, 18 in the UK and is rated a 12 in France.
Thirdly, and I think this is true, but quite a controversial point, I think that women are much more accepting of female nudity than men are of male nudity. This might have something to do with tradition and the way that nudity has been shown in the cinema and TV since these things began. Women are in general (a massive stereotype) just more accepting of naked women on screen, it was mentioned above, and I agree, men are probably more intimidated by seen other men.
Fourthly, A mans penis is predominantly an external sexual organ. If we were going to really compare it would be the equivalent of a women showing her clitoris on screen, which is extremely rare, I would say much rarer than a man showing his penis. When a women is naked on film her legs are closed, and you can not see her inner Labia, or her Clit. I believe that these are the last two taboos in films, showing that level of nudity.
Fifthly, I think you will all agree I have far, far to much time on my hands.
I Sympathise with Lars Von Trier.
@shorty_si
Wrong---I'm a woman and I'm tired of seeing just female nudity in a picture, especially because most of the time it just gets thrown in movies or no reason half the time. And there's way too much emphasis on it---mainly because men dominate the film business and that's what THEY want to see--so that whole only women being nude I want there to be an equal amount of male and female nudity on the screen too,like in European and Asian films,where they don't see to have that many issues with it at all. And there are a lot of good female directors out there, they tend to work in indie film,mainly.
Men don't like seeing naked men, in my experience women aren't anywhere near as bothered about seeing female nudity. You can say I'm wrong, but it's just your opinion, fair enough if that is how you feel, but from the women I have spoke to it's just not the general consensus (i concede that perhaps the women I have spoke to happen to be the minority, or perhaps it is a cultural thing).
I can assure you that in European and Asian films there is still a lot more female nudity than male nudity.
I didn't say there weren't lot's of good female directors out there, I already mentioned Sarah Polley and I like films by Miranda July, Athina Rachel Tsangari, Suzanne Bier and Sofia Coppola, but there are still a lot more male directors working today; hopefully that trend will buck soon.
I Sympathise with Lars Von Trier.
Men don't like seeing naked men, in my experience women aren't anywhere near as bothered about seeing female nudity. You can say I'm wrong, but it's just your opinion, fair enough if that is how you feel, but from the women I have spoke to it's just not the general consensus (i concede that perhaps the women I have spoke to happen to be the minority, or perhaps it is a cultural thing).
I can assure you that in European and Asian films there is still a lot more female nudity than male nudity.
I didn't say there weren't lot's of good female directors out there, I already mentioned Sarah Polley and I like films by Miranda July, Athina Rachel Tsangari, Suzanne Bier and Sofia Coppola, but there are still a lot more male directors working today; hopefully that trend will buck soon.
I Sympathise with Lars Von Trier.
For example, Alexander Skaarsgard. It's a shame to put clothes on him.
shareAlright. But what about John Hawkes. His body is slim and he was very bony in this film. Would you have issue with seeing full frontal from him?
To me, nudity from females is common cause both sexes can handle it. Where as men can't handle seeing other naked men.
IMO, I don't care. Nudity is nudity and I'm comfortable with it all. Something I find great is the world being accepting of sizes, so larger females shouldn't be afraid of their body and skin.
No they sure can't; go check the message board for Magic Mike and see the level of hatred, prejudice and insecurity portrayed there by some male posters.
Feminism is the "radical belief" that women are people, and should be paid and treated equally.
Waving hands furiously--I do!
Seriously, though, a man's body can be just as beautiful, as Magic Mike and American Gigolo proved; but these films are few and far between.
Feminism is the "radical belief" that women are people, and should be paid and treated equally.
Male nudity (especially if its prolonged) is always going to run the risk of getting an NC-17 (see Shame) because a naked penis is threatening to a lot of men. It's like staring down the barrel of a loaded gun. A gun filled with semen.
That and, really, do you think these egocentric actors are going to put up with having their flaccid penises scrutinized the way women have their faces and bodies scrutinized? I think not.
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Male nudity (especially if its prolonged) is always going to run the risk of getting an NC-17 (see Shame) because a naked penis is threatening to a lot of men. It's like staring down the barrel of a loaded gun. A gun filled with semen.
That and, really, do you think these egocentric actors are going to put up with having their flaccid penises scrutinized the way women have their faces and bodies scrutinized? I think not.
Shame was NC-17 because of sexual content, not because of penis exposure. Penises have been shown in tons of films, often up close and long lingering shots, and the films have always gotten an R rating.
Now, the vagina on the other hand is almost never shown, at least in mainstream Hollywood films. What does this say about women? Do they feel threatened by the look of another woman's vagina?
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Huh-huh. Fassbender's exposed penis had a lot to do with that NC-17. There are plenty of films that had much or overt sexual content than that one but didn't have a naked penis in it and still got an R rating (Kinsey comes to mind).
The vagina is mostly an internal sex organ. Justifying a closeup of the clitoris or vulva is going to be a pretty hard thing to do, whereas the penis is very visible even for a few feet away.
Wrong. According to the MPAA, the NC-17 was given to Shame because of "some explicit sexual content" - that was the actual description. If the penis exposure was the reason for NC-17, it would have something like "graphic nudity" in the description.
Should specify I meant vulva (the external part) can be shown. As I mentioned, penises are shown in films all the time, including close ups, and women have never explained the justifications for allowing this to happen.
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The description for Shame's NC-17 rating was taken directly from the MPAA's website as well as poster advertisement and makes only mention of the sexual content, not nudity. The wikipedia page is not the actual description by the MPAA. Look it up.
I watch a lot of movies and I do not see penis nearly as much as I see boobs and female ass.Are you seriously comparing a penis to women's boobs and butt? The penis is a sex organ/genitals. Boobs and butts are not. Besides, I've seen men's chest and butt in films more than I've seen women's.
They don't show closeups of the vulva for the same reason they don't show closeups of the sphincter, there is almost no justification for doing outside of porn. The penis is external, you can't help but see it.The sphincter is on the inside of the body, the vulva is external. They are not equal. The vulva consists of the outer and inner labia, clitoral hood, vaginal cleft, all visible on the OUTSIDE of the body. You don't even have to show a closeup of it to see it all - as I mentioned, you see the entire female anatomy in Playboy (no sphincters in Playboy).
And as mentioned, showing closeups of any of these body parts run the risk of winning an NC-17 so there's no point in doing it unless you're making an indie/foreign film.Movies like Bruno and Hall Pass both showed up close, erect, and completely shaved penises for SEVERAL seconds, yet both were rated R, both were mainstream NOT foreign or indie films. Are you saying if they showed a vulva up close in the same way and context, it would be NC-17 instead? Are you seriously trying to convince us that it's not women being insecure about the vulva instead? share
The description for Shame's NC-17 rating was taken directly from the MPAA's website as well as poster advertisement and makes only mention of the sexual content, not nudity. The wikipedia page is not the actual description by the MPAA. Look it up.
Are you seriously comparing a penis to women's boobs and butt? The penis is a sex organ/genitals. Boobs and butts are not. Besides, I've seen men's chest and butt in films more than I've seen women's.
Movies like Bruno and Hall Pass both showed up close, erect, and completely shaved penises for SEVERAL seconds
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Then putting aside the MPAA's noted history, look at a film like My Bloody Valentine (2008) which has an extended scene of a woman fully nude (she has zero public hair) running around in full view for a good 5 minutes and the film has an R.I have the movie and while the scene lasted 5 minutes, the exposure of her genital region was not shown for the whole duration, just a few glimpses of it. Plus the scene was dark. Try showing the same scene in a well lit scene and watch women go ballistic (even more ballistic than they already did with this scene).
You're talking about a shot of a woman spread eagle with her labia spread open. That's the shot you want, and I'm saying there is no reason to put a shot like that in a movie just like there's no reason to show a woman (or man) with his/her butt cheeks spread open and the camera pointed at their butthole. What you want is a straight-up porn shot.Stop with the nonsense. I never said I want a woman spread eagle. You DO NOT need to have women spread eagle to see the vulva. As I mentioned, Playboy does a perfect job showing female genitals in their magazine, and NONE of the women are shown spread eagle. The labia is part of the vulva, meaning it doesn't have to be spread open to see the OUTER portions of a woman's genitals.
I don't recall the nudity in Bruno, but Hall Pass had a flaccid penis next to Owen Wilson's face for a few seconds and it was not a sexual scene. You can get away with a few seconds of penis, namely if it's part of a gag, but more than that a few seconds or if it's meant to be sexy then you are getting an NC-17.The penis in Hall Pass was not flaccid. It was curved (flaccid penises don't curve, they flop - erect ones can curve), the veins on the penis were visible (flaccid penises aren't veiny as erect ones), and also the glans (tip/head) was visible on a man who was not circumcised - the only way this happens is when it's erect (I've been in the medical industry and I've studied the anatomy of both genders).
TheGame - of course we women are insecure about our genitals and the dramatic increase in labiaolasties should validate that. Obviously we compare our boobs, butts and bellies so why would women be any less prone to compare vulvas. Women are also getting waxed more than ever so something visually put that desire in our heads. I personally don't have an issue seeing female genitalia but the rude comments made by guys who want everything shaved and perfect make me sick. God forbid a woman doesn't have a perfect body and actually has pubic hair, men criticize the hell out of her. I'm not saying women aren't critical but I do feel that we are a bit more forgiving of physical imperfections.
I've overheard some women who were so totally not forgiving.
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I agree. Some women are very rude and critical and not just about men's bodies!
I guess I say that women seem to be more forgiving of looks because of how men like James Gandolfini, Jack Nicholson, Gerard Depardieu, etc. are considered sexy while their female counterparts aren't. Some of us wives also really like our husband's guts and don't care about a washboard stomach. I don't know if guys feel the same way.
I think Nicholson and Depardieu are riding off of how they looked as youngsters. Gandolfini, I have no idea. I think it can be easier for certain men because women like a big, tall guy, and sometimes big can mean fat without too much trouble. But like a short friend of mine told me, you can't get away with short and fat.
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TheGame - of course we women are insecure about our genitals and the dramatic increase in labiaolasties should validate that. Obviously we compare our boobs, butts and bellies so why would women be any less prone to compare vulvas. Women are also getting waxed more than ever so something visually put that desire in our heads. I personally don't have an issue seeing female genitalia but the rude comments made by guys who want everything shaved and perfect make me sick. God forbid a woman doesn't have a perfect body and actually has pubic hair, men criticize the hell out of her. I'm not saying women aren't critical but I do feel that we are a bit more forgiving of physical imperfections.
Male actors simply don't want the audience or fans to know how tiny they are.
Simple as that.
End of discussion.
I think the difference is genitalia. The male is external, the lady's internal - unless it's a porn film! I'd guess most viewers are turned off by genitalia - swingin' or not! So really, we're talking about breasts. Men are always showing them. Women, not so much. Why is THAT??? ;>
shareNo the difference is the difference.
Men will pay to have boobs rubbed on them in strip clubs, they will pay to see boobs, whats the male equivalent? There is none, women aren't going to pay for a sack rub...
The problem with such questions I hear time and time again is they always work backwards from the faulty premise that men and women are the same.
they do. you didn't see the naughty bit down under.
furthermore there is no equality on this matter. women don't buy porn to the degree men do because interests aren't the same. penis generally is kind of ugly anyways.
TV shows like True Blood have a lot more male than female nudity, comedies will all have male nudity over female. The Sessions aside i am struggling to remember a film i have seen recently where an A-List actress has gone full frontal.
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Women don't buy porn as often because a good deal of porn (not all of it) tends to degrade women--but a number of feminist porn directors and studios (from Playgirl to Femme) are doing quite well. And Magic Mike was a blockbuster.
Feminism is the "radical belief" that women are people, and should be paid and treated equally.
> I notice that when male actors take their clothes off it is usually just a butt shot, or a penis shot for cheap laughs.
Frankly, not many people want to see it. Straight men don't want to see it, Lesbians don't want to see it, and most straight women claim they don't care for male genitalia.
Hollywood's in the business of giving people exactly what they want to see.
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