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Hollywood's LAZY addiction to Ethnic Villains


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Why did Dreamworks choose to make the character Guy Gagne' the "villain" at the end of the film?

It honestly doesn't make sense to me. The film could have worked just as well / BETTER without making him into a bad guy. He could have patted "Turbo" on his shell at the end of the film and congratulated him saying: "See what have I been telling everybody? No dream is too big and no one too small to realize them."

It's not a huge loss, but it's a stupid loss of customers. The film won't be able to play successfully in Quebec or France and may lose customers all over Europe.

And it seems like a stupid waste. This COULD HAVE BEEN A "VILLIAN-LESS" HOLLYWOOD FILM. Europeans, especially the Italians have known how to do this for decades. Why can't we learn how to do this?

Fr. Dennis Kriz, OSM
http://frdennismoviereviews.blogspot.com/2013/07/turbo-2013.html



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You have a lazy addiction to racist witch hunting.

Every villian has to have an identity. The only way to satisfy PC alarmists like yourself would be for every story to have faceless, shapeless off-world aliens as the antagonist in every story. And even then you'd be decrying the slight against the extraterrestrial community.

And the idea of a "villain-less" plot is ludicrous. Drama is, by definition, conflict. We have nothing to watch if we are going to strive to tell stories about problem-free shiny happy people being shiny and happy.

The fact of life is that individuals have agendas which rise out of our needs and desires, which inevitably leads to competition and conflict. And from our point of view, those who come in conflict with us will be perceived as enemies or villians, even if objectively the truth is that two entities of equal moral standing are merely opposed to one another in a given conflict of interest.

Stories are going to have PROtagonists and ANTagonists. Plain and simple. That's what makes them engaging.

And characters are going to have identities, which, yes, includes a nationality. Sorry, these things are not the invention of storytellers.

Now if you honestly believe the preponderence of screen bad guys are of non-U.S. extraction, you've got your cranium lodged in your rectum. Watch any personal security advertisement (home alarm systems, martial arts self-defense, etc.) in the modern era, and you are forced to come to the conclusion that The Media believes 100% of violent street crime is committed by white men in their 30's who do not own a razor. The fact is the VASTLY overwhelming percentage of depictions of people with low moral character in modern media - the "bad guys" - are white, U.S.-born males. They're the only demographic it's politically safe to portray in a negative light.

To hint that anyone else is capanble of immoral behavior these days opens you up to ridiculous accusations like yours.

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Stories are going to have PROtagonists and ANTagonists. Plain and simple. That's what makes them engaging.


right.

And the idea of a "villain-less" plot is ludicrous.


wrong.

who's the villain in Titanic? in Apollo XIII? in so many other good stories?
the Antagonist does not need to be a person, and does not need to be a villain.
there is no need to spit hate at your antagonist at the end of the story.
that's inmature and childish.
what is worse is to force the "evilness" into the oddman or foreigner.
The "evil one is not one of us" discourse, is xenophobia mongering.

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who's the villain in Titanic?


Billy Zane


the Antagonist does not need to be a person, and does not need to be a villain.


FAR too literal a reading of my post. Clearly, I'm using "antagonist" and "villain" interchangeably.


what is worse is to force the "evilness" into the oddman or foreigner.
The "evil one is not one of us" discourse, is xenophobia mongering.


Then you're another crazed PC looney that I was talking about.


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If you notice the end, Turbo won by Cheating. His friends beat up the "villain" before he got across the finish line lugging a two thousand pound racecar.

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Did we watch the same movie? Because in the one I watched Guy was trying to step on and hit Turbo while the other snails watched from the sidelines after encouraging him to finish it. The snails did not attack Guy at all and the accident was all because he was trying to kill Turbo. Guy was the one who was trying to cheat by killing Turbo every chance he got during the race.

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I feel like OP is making two different points, and while I have no comment on ethnicity, I do agree he didn't need to turn into a villain, Turbo already had his brother turning his back on him, plus the inevitability of losing his power, both those created enough of an antagonist for the movie.

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I thought it was okay, it borrowed from UP, where the man Carl looked up to, ended up not being 'such a great guy', and in that same vein, the man Turbo looked up to also ended up being 'not such a great guy'. He wasn't exactly a 'villian'... well he was, but his personality made the character, not so much his nationality. Plus Gagne was the opposite of Doc from Cars, instead of being an older driver that crashes once and never goes back after winning so many cups, he hords them and makes sure he wins everytime. This villian in Turbo was obsessed with winning, and that's what made him such a good villian in this little movie. Just saw it with my son(5) and he LOVED the movie. I did NOT want to see it, and ended up really liking it. I wasn't crazy about all the multi-cultural ethnicity (is that correct?) but overall it didn't really bother me, and turned out to be a much better movie than I imagined. And the 3D effects were done really well (esp during the race).

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yeah no need for (typical) French guy to be the villian. Motorsports isn't like that, that sort of person would be thrown out of FIA.

No need for arrogant, vain, and nasty french driver. Why not just be competitive, and treat the snail like any other racer?

Funny how the "bad guy" wasn't white American. noooo had to be the French.

What is it with Americans disliking French people (Or in fact pretty much everyone but themselves)

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The Mexican Americans were heroes which makes a refreshing change. And you're whining about the French. The film played very well across Europe and my kids loved it. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.



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I don't know a great deal about Indy car 500 champs, but how many have been American?

In F1 the majority of the most succesful drivers have been non-english speakers.

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I don't think Americans are much into formula racing. We seem to prefer nascar.

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It's not a huge loss, but it's a stupid loss of customers. The film won't be able to play successfully in Quebec or France and may lose customers all over Europe.


They will probably change him to an Italian or something. They will change his name and accent. That's what they always do.


He was not a stereotypical villain. He is just a normal conceited racer. He wasn't even much of a villain. He just wanted to win the race, just like all the other racers.

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As dumb as this movie is, your argument really holds no water. Most of the characters in this movie were ethnic and only one of them was a villain. This movie is loaded with legitimate reasons to trash it.....hell you could have even made a better argument about many of the characters being racial stereotypes, but you are really stretching it with this one.

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I actually thought it was very funny that the snail's antagonist was a French guy....I was waiting for him to try to eat him.

"Do not call the tortoise unworthy because she is not something else" -Whitman

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