The only real problem with this documentary is...


that aliens don't exist. And if they actually DO exist, they exist somewhere else, a long, long way from here and they're not coming here to visit us.

The people I feel the most sorry for are the people who actually believe they've been abducted by aliens. I'd rather they knew what really happened instead so they could move on with their lives and put the alien fantasy stuff behind them.

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As David Icke said in this documentary, people ask if there is life out in the universe, just look up with some sort of grasp of how large the universe, and you have your answer. With the amount of suns in just the visible universe, it is more likely then not that there is. According to science, there are more suns then grains of sand on every beach on our planet. I've been to the beach, and if you have, think about looking up the coast and down the coast, and just the grains on top of the surface is an overwhelming amount, but for the grains under the surface included, the potential seems beyond human conception. And that is just the question of whether other life forms in the universe, not whether they are here.

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I have no problem with the idea that other life forms exist, but clearly none of them have come to visit THIS planet. Especially not in the numbers accounted for by so-called sightings, abductions, and other alleged alien "encounters".

Sometimes believing in aliens visiting earth is nothing but harmless fun. Sometimes, similar to phony psychics, such belief can be terribly dangerous and damaging.

Of course I'm someone who worked less than 100 yards from the front gate of an air force base where B-2 stealth bombers were often deployed. Yep, there's no doubt that a TON of alien craft sightings were nothing more than B-2 bombers prior to declassification. As often as I saw them, I was STILL in awe every single time I saw one take off. Sleek, slow, delta-winged, and almost totally silent despite being just a few hundred yards away... talk about a sight to see!

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"but clearly none of them have come to visit THIS planet."

Clearly? What do you base this reasoning on? There are so many reports....so many, by everyday people, including so many air craft pilots, claiming to see craft that not only defy anything they have seen, but do maneuvers that would kill any human in the craft due to the G force, making 90 degree turns on a dime at what is perceived at hundreds of miles an hour.

Anytime I try to have such a conversation with someone who does not believe in them, it always comes down to the same argument; I'm crazy and should go wear a tin foil hat. I give facts, from eye witness accounts from military personnel to the anomalies found at megalithic sites found around the world, but the argument given back every time is just juvenile verbiage. Avoiding all condescending remarks, honestly, why do you believe they are not here? After doing years of research, watching every documentary I can find, hearing people I have met in life who claim to have seen "something", hearing police men and women tell stories of crafts the size of air craft carriers...I don't feel like I believe something is here, I truly feel like I know they are here, who ever they are and where ever they are from. And you know something else, I don't think it's that big of deal. It's only the consensus based ignorance (ignorance in not an insult) of society that we are taught to believe it's a crazy notion that makes it such an overwhelming concept. If I were in power, I wouldn't want people to know either, I'd want them to think it's a crazy notion so they didn't look into it, but I truly believe that any intelligent person who is not an absolute skeptic, would come to the same conclusion.

And what I mean by an absolute skeptic can be described like this; An absolute skeptic is sitting on his or her back porch and an honest to God, actual other worldly craft touches down. An actual alien from another planet gets out of the craft, walks up and smacks the person in the face, gets back in the ship and flies away. Moments later, the absolute skeptic says to themselves; "What a vivid hallucination that was!". See the problem there?

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Well, you covered every point I wanted to make.

True, how to convince anyone who claims that actual video evidence of alien aircraft doesn't constitute proof or hundreds and hundreds of eyewitness testimony from credible sources isn't proof either? There's no way.

It seems that only now with computers can we really fathom how advanced primitive civilizations were in their construction of monolithic structures and other stone carvings. Some are symmetrical down the micron--it's not humanly possible for stone carvers armed with copper tools to make Egyptian heads that are perfectly symmetrical...with no tool marks. Stones weighing hundreds of tons that fit perfectly together and are as smooth as glass--with no tool marks.

I also agree that whomever is in power now likely knows all about it. I've actually heard stats that around 40 Percent of people believe in extra-terrestrial life.

The big questions are what are they doing with people and can we trust the few abductee stories claiming the greys are practicing genetic experiments on humanity. What for?

I've heard all sorts of theories--that we're genetically engineered. Streiber claims that some people have implants for some reason. Why implant people?

I've heard from several sources I do believe to be credible that world leaders are already in contact with aliens and have struck some sort of shaky peace. Or some type of deal for military technology with one race over medical technology with another one.

The implications are very interesting. If one is solidly in the belief that aliens exist then it follows to ask, 'Is there more than one species of alien?' Possibly so. There's many types of crafts and historical records of a space battle depicted in wood cuts.

There's lots of theories floating around. The most common one is taken from the Sumerian writings claiming the Annunaki genetically engineered humans to mine gold. There's so much stuff out there to ponder and debate. Structures leading up to some pyramids that are lined inside with mica. Why?

Everything could come into play. Even the Bible. The whole Genesis bit is interesting if you look at it a certain way. "The sons of God saw the daughters of men..." bit. Looked at one way and it sounds like heavenly angels thought earth women were hot and took them for wives and they got pregnant. Looked at another way and it could have been an advanced race that artificially inseminated females to create a more advanced human. Who knows? Maybe Noah's Arc has some basis in fact. Clearly, no wooden boat is going to house two animals of every species on earth--unless they stored the DNA of every animal on earth.

I've heard theories that ancient humans had access to an unlimited power source. So...why did we forget? Certainly, knowledge was only for the elite and wealthy at one time and illiteracy and superstition were the norm for the masses. Maybe that's one reason.

Why build monoliths? Because it really hard and takes your populations resources? Or because it easy and Egyptian hieroglyphs depict ten pulling a thousand ton rock because it only took ten people. Not ten thousand.

There's ancient discoveries of advanced electronics. Depictions of flying craft like helicopters etc. carved on the walls in Egypt.

They're uncovering giant skeletons now.

It's time to leave behind the 'no proof' people and start a dialogue about what's going on and maybe demand some answers. It is true though that it might disrupt the population and bring about mass panic if world leaders came right out and admitted what's so obvious to some of us. It would put a serious dent in world religions--being based on the fact that humans alone are the supreme beings in the universe. Some may have a difficult time reconciling their faith with the knowledge that not only are we just another race in a vast universe of thousands of races but we aren't all that significant and many alien races are so advanced they don't bother with us at all.

I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar.

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You do realize that eyewitness reports are the LEAST reliable form of evidence, correct? So far, no one has produced one single shred of physical evidence of any intelligent other-wordly creatures visiting this planet. Certainly with all the reports there must be something left behind, somewhere.

Still...

I used to have a very strong belief in extraterrestrial visitors. It was fueled by an incident that happened to me when I was 19 years old. I was driving home from work at 3:00 AM and I saw a UFO. It was a spectacular cigar-shaped vessel that was making strange, unnatural movements in the sky above the road. I pulled over and got out of my car and watched it for about three minutes (it seemed like a half an hour). It was amazing and I was completely enthralled and totally convinced I'd seen an alien craft.

Needless to say, after much research, I found out what I'd really seen was a meteor. Also, working outside of an air force base has allowed me to witness a LOT of unusual aircraft activity. No doubt many, many, MANY sightings are due to classified military aircraft testing. I'm still amazed to this day every time I see a B2 in broad daylight.

If you ever have a chance, take the time to study officially documented "alien creature" reports from various regions around the globe over the years, but specifically pre-Betty and Barney Hill (1961). You'll find, as did I, that pre-greys, aliens looked different depending on where the report was made. For instance, aliens in some parts of the world, pre-greys, were actually described as the mythical "little green men". In other portions of the globe, pre-grey aliens looked much more human. Clearly these differences are explained by social factors. There weren't differing alien races exclusively visiting only certain areas of our planet.

No, having been an eyewitness, having worked next to an air force base, having a relative who has high-level NSA clearance, having interviewed multiple astronauts and multiple F-16 and F-15 pilots, and having researched it myself, along with the lack of real evidence, I'm a former believer who is firmly convinced that no aliens are visiting this planet.

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It was a spectacular cigar-shaped vessel that was making strange, unnatural movements in the sky above the road. I pulled over and got out of my car and watched it for about three minutes (it seemed like a half an hour). It was amazing and I was completely enthralled and totally convinced I'd seen an alien craft....Needless to say, after much research, I found out what I'd really seen was a meteor.


I've seen a comet or a meteor or whatever and there's no way any object moving through or into earth's atmosphere from outspace travels slowly and makes 'irregular movements'.

I've seen one once. It's tail is on fire and looks about 50 miles long and it looks like it's travelling at about 7000 miles an hour. You won't believe how fast something like that travels. I saw it once--it's unmistakable. I would have missed it had I not been looking at the sky at that precise moment and in 2 seconds it probably travelled and crashed halfway around the world.

A meteor or comet travels through the atmosphere in a straight line. It is at a high altitude and no angle would suggest it is hovering above a road. It's also a molten ball trailing a large tail. It's on fire. No inert balls of rock enter the earth's atmosphere and look like they're spherical and hanging or hovering atop roads. There's no way you saw a meteor sailing across the sky that wasn't on fire.

No, having been an eyewitness, having worked next to an air force base, having a relative who has high-level NSA clearance, having interviewed multiple astronauts and multiple F-16 and F-15 pilots


You weren't an eyewitness to anything I can describe. I've seen a B2 bomber and many of us can identify aircraft. Many video images include aircraft that don't move like conventional aircraft, move at high rates of speed, make maneuvers that aren't possible with conventional aircraft and in some cases are close enough that a person can make out their elliptical or spheroid shape before they take off.

I also have a high level security clearance. Level II takes about 3 weeks to get and is standard for most government employees no matter what they do--even the copy people. Hell, the cleaners might have one. If there's some type of black ops or shadow government stuff going on--then Top Secret wouldn't be enough. I've known a few with Top Secret and I wonder how secret they are.

I don't know in what capacity you presume to convince me that you interview military personnel for their extra-terrestrial spin on things but, it may be that they aren't sharing any knowledge with you.

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Oh. I picked this up in my travels and am slogging through it. It gets interesting around the 45 minute mark. Cosmic Codes it's called and the first 45 minutes is a long explanation on the types of Codes and their historical origins and useage. It's kinda dry stuff up until the 45 minute mark where the speaker states:

"In 1971, there was a conference where 84 of the top scientists on planet earth--American and Soviet and others--met at...Russia with the National Academy of Sciences of the Soviet Union co-sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences of the United States--these 84 guys in 1971 met in a conference to explore the problems and likelihoods and so forth, with communication with extra-terrestrial intelligence. The proceedings of that conference are available and translatable in English and they're very fascinating reading because these 84 scientists, in effect, as they address this problem, also find themselves pointing out to themselves, that the very existence of life is unique. There's absolutely no statistical basis. In otherwords, it's a refutation, in great erudite terms, of the whole Theory of Evolution."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3zauYpNVI0

Chuck Missler Lecturing on Cosmic Codes on Youtube:
I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar.

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I've seen a comet or a meteor or whatever and there's no way any object moving through or into earth's atmosphere from outspace travels slowly and makes 'irregular movements'.


It didn't travel slowly and make irregular movements. It APPEARED to travel slowly and make irregular movements. That was simply an illusion based on my angle of view, my location, the state of the atmosphere at the time, etc.

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The State of the Atmosphere lolololo....hahahaha...you mean oxygen?

A meteor is estimated to travel about 40,000 miles per second. That's the estimate of the one that hit in the Arizona desert with most of it's cosmic speed still intact.

That's according to the Nova program: Meteor Strike that tells all about meteors. The rock gets heated to about 3,000 degrees Farenheit.

Here's how a scientist describes a meteor travelling through earth's atmosphere:

"Most of that heating actually comes from the shock of that meteor passing through the air. The air is compressed ahead of the meteorite and that heats that air, and that intensely heated plasma just ahead of the meteorite is what is radiating back to burn away the meteorite itself."


So! Can I get a job with you at the disinformation office? I think I can do better than you can...that is if you presume to try to argue that a rock travelling at tens of thousands of miles per hour in the upper atmosphere trailing a miles long super heated plasma tail can also look like an object on the road ahead of you.

Anyone reading this has seen planes in the sky at all altitudes and at every angle. Not one of us will ever mistake a plane in the air as being on the road ahead of us. Regardless of altitude, size, speed, time of day or weather.

Oh that's good! Since nobody is in this thread, you have, effectively convinced nobody.

I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar.

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Nearly half of America believes in ghosts as well. Just because stupid people exist doesn't mean the things they believe in do.

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Nearly half of America believes in ghosts as well. Just because stupid people exist doesn't mean the things they believe in do.


This is true. A lot of people believe in "psychics" and other such fakery as well.

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Millions of people believe in god and Jesus etc but no one has ever seen either of them. Yet religious beliefs are considered sain and acceptable.

Millions of people have seen ufos and alien visitors but they are considered to be mentally unbalanced.

The fact that God actually is an alien as depicted by the bible and other religious texts and Jesus his human/alien hybrid offspring makes this even more absurd. Of course there's intelligent life around the universe both in the visible and in the hidden dimensions. Any fairly intelligent and sound person would realize that.

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You know, after reading the information and watching various videos on the subject of the possibly of aliens visitors dropping by earth to say hello since they happened to be in the neighborhood from time to time I have come to the conclusion that UFO believers may be one to something.

The proof? two words: Donald Trump

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