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so Blade Runner is now an alternate reality


BR1 was at the time and for many years after release a futuristic film - i.e. heres what the future will be/could be like.

BR2049 is an alternate reality movie - it exists separate to our timeline. in another reality/universe.

and now so does BR1 it too is an alt reality movie as theres no way replicants, flying cars etc in the next year

I guess most future SF films eventually become alternate reality movies - e.g. BTTF2 (although that was dealing with time travel and alt realities anyway), Running Man, etc

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Scifi timeline predictions have always been outlandishly optimistic. As a general rule of thumb, a base of 300 years should be added to all dates given. I doubt we'll be seeing flying cars even by the end of this century.

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Considering the progress made in the century prior to Bladerunner, one could understand an optimistic view. The problem is that some thing will progress more slowly (cars, replicants, AI) and other things will progress more quickly (phones, flat screens). It is hard to know where the breakthroughs will come.

Even back in the 1980s, I thought the original Bladerunner would have to be closer to 2049 for replicants and space wars.

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What are you talking about? Hoverbikes and hover cars already exists. There are working prototypes and you can even purchase a few of the hoverbikes for around $50,000. Look it up, ace.

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Yes. And that is one of the things that is so brilliant about it now. It's the Blade Runner universe. I assume now the alt timeline start from 1982's original and history took a different turn than ours did, because it was the future from '82s point of view and BL2049 is a continuation of that,not 2049 from our 2017 point of view.Hence flying cars,replicants etc.

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well , its all just semantics isnt it. Dosent change anything.

It was only 2019 because PKD pulled that date out of his ass , its not relevant to the plot in any way.
In fact i'd prefer to think of it as "this is one possible future" than "This never happened, but in an alternate reality it did" so im going to pretend its set in 20 , er , say , 2060. and the sequel can be 2100.

"Alternate reality" as a genre is for things like "Fatherland" (another Rutger film) - what if germany won ww2?
Bladerunner is "in the future" clearly. The specified dates mean F*** all.

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Well they obviously do mean something. So much so they included the date in the sequels title!

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They did that with Blues Brothers 2000. Dont mean squat.
No , wait , I changed my mind. BR2049 *does* mean something - it shows the time difference , because quite a lot has happened in BR land since the first film.
They'd have been better calling it Bladerunner+33 , that way when 2049 comes people wont start calling it alternate reality :p

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Every fictional movie is an alternate reality!

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why does it have to be an alternate reality? it's art.

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Because the blade runner universe doesn't exist in our reality

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it's still based on planet earth so.

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Thats only half a sentence, what comes after "so" ?

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Even "Buck Rogers in the 25th century" got its dates wrong.
You'd think 500 years would be enough to not fall for the "oh , its that date now" trap, but at the start of the story Buck is catapulted into the future whilst on the "First manned tour of the Solar system". in 1988.
That didnt happen. so is that "alternate reality" now?
does it make any difference?
do we care?

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The difference in BR2049's case, is that it's specifically not set in our possible future but 1982's Blade Runner's vision of the future. It's a different timeline altogether ,as opposed to just a fictional story set in our reality. It was the only way to make a sequel work other than completely rebooting it with a whole new story ignoring BR1.

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Actually this has got me thinking about all movies not just BR. I mean something like Avengers and all the superhero movies have to be set in an alternate universe very similar to ours present day in same cities but because there is no Iron Man or Hulk etc in the world that everyone is aware of and no alien invasions etc so they must be set in like a parallel universe. DC go one further as Superman/Batman are in made up cities that dont even exist (Metropolis = NYC in the Reeve movies with all the landmarks, then in the Singer and Snyder movies its an different city thats based on NY)... however something like Blade (Snipes) maybe can take place in our reality/universe as its all happening in secret/behind closed doors that only few people know about.. however XMen while initially kind of secretive soon becomes blown out into the world so everyone knows about mutants (actually its in X1 as a relatively new phenomena but then is made to be revealed earlier in DOFP)

And if you look at other movies then most can probably take place in our universe so long as nothing huge happens in the movie that gets out into the general population and would impact and alter the history of our universe e.g. ID4 starts off real world but then becomes an alternate reality when aliens turn up (and the sequel is full on alternate reality). Similar the rebooted Planet of the Apes movies start off our reality and then go alternate reality. Jurassic Park 1 could be real world as it happens in secret but not any of the sequels as the whole world knows about dinosaurs being alive. most if not all of 007 films could be real world as like Blade it mostly happens in establish real locations (not made up like Gotham) and its all off the radar/secret ..same with Indiana Jones (happens in the past but all secretive/hushed up/no evidence), Terminator & BTTF (as they dealing with altered timelines so could still work as our universe), Predator, The Thing etc. Even XFiles its possible to be our reality as again its all in extreme secret circumstances and hushed up. Even MiB can probably get away with taking place in our universe/reality. And then theres romcoms all of which probably happen in our universe, and historical (providing nothing occurs that changes the outcome of what happened some something like Inglorious Bastards probably can't work)

And future stuff like Star Trek, Alien, Matrix, Total Recall so long as it remains in the (far) future and nothing in its past is contradicted with our past/present (unlike BR2049) it can be considered futuristic take on our universe not alternate reality (unlike Blade Runner now and other 'use by/expired' future stuff like 2001/10/12, original Planet of the Apes, Escape From NY/LA ..and actually Star Trek has the Khan thing which supposedly happened in the 1990s so that's now abit of a problem - which Into Darkness conveniently ignored)

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Spot on Bozo.

but whats BR2049's contradiction? is it just the dates? clearly BR1982 is still in the futire , i dont give a fuck if Philip K Dick took a guess at 2018 or whatever and got it a bit wrong , the flying cars and robots speak louder than the number 2018 and BR2049 is just BR82 30 years later.

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"but 1982's Blade Runner's vision of the future"

How is that not our future?

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The way I see it is, yes technically the original Blade Runner is still in our future, but it would not make sense to view it like that now. If you saw it in the 80's you could imagine 2019 being like it is in the movie. Both films are now set in the Blade Runner Universe if you like. Kind if like The Marvel Cinematic Universe or the DC universe.

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i can just imagine the original film as 2055 , and then keep it as our future , which is better because we might see our future , but we wont see an alternate universe.

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Exactly... I think people get far too dogmatic about this movie studio/comicbook concept of 'universes' that they fail to recognise what is in front of their eyes...

The future in BladeRunner is an imagined future that could be our own and, more importantly, it raises issues and themes that are relevent to us as human beings today.

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Problem with Blade Runner is it specifically states 2019 so that next year..

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I recognise that, but it is a point of trivia, not a big deal... Easy to ignore...

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I'm glad at least one person shares my view on the 2019 number , and dosent go categorizing the whole film , thereby ruining it , because of a tiny tiny detail :)


According to every other poster in this thread any film that has anything in the "goof" section in imdb , must be set in an alternate reality.

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just seen Ready Player One - now that is def set in our reality (at least until 2045)

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and JW:FK is so alt reality its off the charts

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