A film suspicious of having real bulls tortured and killed, should go to the Oscar awards without clarifying the doubts? Actually I think not until the question is clarified. And should the Spanish Academy had elected this film to represent the country? The answer is wether the academy members enjoy this kind of brutallity and if they actually are interested on investigating the accusations.
shareThe team that made the movie says no actual bulls are tortured and killed and that they can proove that because it was supervised, so as far as we can tell right now legally that's just a suspicion. As anyway a platform sued them for that suspicion, let's wait for the proofs by one and the other before just say "they dit it".
I think is weird they did it for real when they can just fake it easily and make everybody happy about that issue.
There is an asociation in Spain that is investigating the days on wich the film was beeing shot in the bullring of Aranjuez(Madrid) and they say they have evidences that, at least, two bulls, were killed on that day, they even say that they have the testimony from a film technician. This should make the film, at least be suspicious of animal cruelty. The text on which they report this posible animal cruelty is written in Spanish.
shareSuspicious is not guilty, and you're talking about it as it was that way and that's proved. Thinking you're the first writing about it in the forum you should've tried to be a bit more specific when sharing the information. Then you can say what do you think or what's your idea of what happened, but first try to tell the actual information about the events so the rest can make up their own idea of what happened.
shareSorry, you are right
shareNo Komond, aedh1974 is not talking as it's proved neither giving an opinion. He's just giving data as real as it is in the media today.
Funny, you're accusing this person of what you're actually doing, assuming and not listening, getting defensive without offense.
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That's just false, sorry. If there's an event with two sides and you just give one of them, claiming a movie should be punished by rejecting it for a suspicion, that can't be anyway something neutral.
The movie right now has legally fullfilled what the law asks about animal rights in making movies, it's not that there's no clue about what they did, it's not unknown. The people that has to protect that legal aspect has actually signed that everything was correctly done. Until it's proved otherwise, it's just suspicion.
If you say someone must be punished before saying which evidences have one side and which evidences have the other side, you're just saying whatever the evidences are (and don't tell), they're enough to forbid it.
As often happens, an association that defends a noble cause uses reprehensible methods. They already did the same for the premiere of Almodovar's Talk to Her. The accusation is false. It is simply to build on the success of the film to attract media attention. Many people have left abusive messages on social networks, revealing that they have not seen the movie.
shareI decided not to go to see this film because of those suspicions.
The thing is that, even though they didn't kill any bull at all, the film itself glorifies something that should be forbidden. As Spanish citirzen, it's really embarrasing for me the fact that my beloved country is internationally recognized for such a barbaric thing as bullfighting.
Well said. Thank you.
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shareTHAT is absolutely wonderful. I'm so glad that the younger generations in Spain are now standing up to this savagery. I've seen bull fighting on tv and it left my stomach in knot, that and when they set their horns on fire and you can see the panicked eyes of the bull and listen to it screaming. It's absolutely horrible. They have banned it in several regions already, and I hope they continue on this trend. That said, every country, including the USA, needs to look at their inhumane ways we treat our animals.
"The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members."
Everybody calm down! Have some fruit or something !
I understand why some people do not approve of bullfighting, although I have enjoyed the spectacle every time I've been.
The bulls themselves are treated far better than most domesticated cattle, they usually fight at 5 years old, that's 3 years longer than most bulls reared only for meat. They graze on the finest pasture and are given the best veterinary care. This is all obvious to see when you witness the magnificent specimens that enter the ring.
The Bulls are bred to be aggressive, and so it seems almost fitting that they get the opportunity to go out fighting rather than being herded into a claustrophobic chamber and stunned with a bolt gun before being hung in the air and have their throats cut.
I know my views will not be accepted by the masses, but sometimes it's worth delving a little deeper into a subject before condemning it on 1st impressions.
Except it's not "first impressions" as you say. I'm sorry but I don't make it a habit of just blithely commenting on something as serious as animal abuse. Your first impression was that I'm an ignorant meat-eating American. I do know about factory farming, and I'm a member of the HFA against it, and it needs to be seriously changed. With that said, the differences are is that farming animals for food, and farming animals for torture to be viewed by millions of cheering fans is far different, with the latter being far more barbaric. We don't have chairs and viewing windows set up for people to come and watch the killing of the cattle here. For someone to actually GO and even PAY to sit and watch for however long it takes to see an animal suffering needlessly, for the pure "fun" of it is beyond my comprehension. But have at it if it floats your boat, a piece of your soul is black, I'm sorry to say. Do you enjoy watching Asian countries skin dogs alive as well?
Everybody calm down! Have some fruit or something !
I'm so glad to see the majority of people in this thread consider our treatment of animals and take the time to learn about the use of animals in all industries. People often instinctively defend animal abuse because, as you pointed out, it's so widespread that we are all guilty of contributing in some way. But that should never be an excuse to turn a blind eye. We can all take little steps to lessen the degree of suffering humans inflict. That said, the fact that there's such a debate over whether or not animals were mistreated, or if bullfighting is glorified, in this movie is enough for me to pass. There are so many great movies out there and so little time to see them all, I doubt I'll miss one or two.
share@ herbertnenenger
Both posts: Well said! I agree with you about humans examining themselves based on how they treat animals and/or are indifferent to them. I think the tradition of bullfighting is fascinating but barbaric and wish it could be banned.
But have at it if it floats your boat, a piece of your soul is black, I'm sorry to say.Strong words.
I give my respect to those who have earned it; to everyone else, I'm civil.share
I understand why some people do not approve of bullfighting, although I have enjoyed the spectacle every time I've been.
The bulls themselves are treated far better than most domesticated cattle, they usually fight at 5 years old, that's 3 years longer than most bulls reared only for meat. They graze on the finest pasture and are given the best veterinary care. This is all obvious to see when you witness the magnificent specimens that enter the ring.
The Bulls are bred to be aggressive, and so it seems almost fitting that they get the opportunity to go out fighting rather than being herded into a claustrophobic chamber and stunned with a bolt gun before being hung in the air and have their throats cut.
I know my views will not be accepted by the masses, but sometimes it's worth delving a little deeper into a subject before condemning it on 1st impressions.
Hear hear!
shareIndeed, it's not terribly relevant to me whether or not a bull was killed in the making of this movie. If it's still a movie that glorifies the practice then I'd skip it.
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the film doesn't glorify harming bulls
in fact very little bullfighting appears in the movie, and the main thing shown is a bull getting "pardoned" and thus not hurt by the bullfighter
maybe you shouldn't be judging what you haven't seen
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