wow that was bad


tarantino seems to be the benjamin button of cinema:
the older he gets the more juvenile and immature his films...

here is a list of reasons why this movie is juvenile bs:

-the kuklux clan "eyeholes"- slapstick scene. in typical tarantinofashion
they keep on talking and talking...

-"broomhilda von shaft" tarantino says she is shafts grandmother. thinking like a 12 y old... *eyeroll*

-hans landa with a beard. talking WAY too much (again).

-the gun fights. leone and peckinpah would be rolling on their coffin floors laughing if they could see this overdone bs.

-the totally generic and uncool cameo of franco nero. "the d is silent"- "i know"... pffft.

-django riding without a saddle. im not sure what the reason for this is, but every reason i can think of is just silly... is he "unchaining" the horse?
as if the saddle is the burden AND NOT THE RIDER SITTING ON IT?

-the music. hip hop, rap and hippy 70s? what a way to destroy any rest of 19th century mood... the movie was like an old jukebox, playing oldies nonstop.


i could list more but i dont wanna waste any more energy on this.
i have to say something positive too about this film though:

i usually cant stand dicaprio but he was actually the only highlight in this boring chatty comicbookwestern! his performance simply stole the whole show.

he should have done this "evil dandy" thing for the great gatsby too lol.

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I have to agree on this one. I'm not much of a Tarantino fan (possibly because I'm a woman), and I endured this whole film just to get to watch DiCaprio's stunning performance. It had that old Pulp Fiction style and vibe to it that I did not enjoy.

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I am a woman and a Tarantino fan. Not sure what your sex has to do with being/not being a Tarantino fan? Just saw the movie for the second time and enjoyed it even more. Loved the music, acting. Classic Tarantino.

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Django Unchained is the movie that gets better with every viewing. My favorite movie, I love it.

You can knock on Ed Wood but it won't do you no good 'cause all of my heroes are dead in Hollywood

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My favorite movie, I love it.


Sorry

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Not sure what your sex has to do with being/not being a Tarantino fan?


I think males have a genetic disposition for violence and aggression. Might just be the testosterone?

Also I'm a huge fan of Tarantino's movies but I found Django (and iBasterds) pretty bad. I figure there are different fans of Tarantino because they work in different ways.

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Same here. Don't understand why that matters.

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"I'm not much of a Tarantino fan (possibly because I'm a woman)"

And what exactly is the phoking connection??

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"I'm not much of a Tarantino fan (possibly because I'm a woman)"

For the record, I see nothing wrong with this simple little declaration.
No need to find fault and fight over every little statement.

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This offends me as a vegan transgender atheist German engineer who vapes organic decaffeinated compressed soy breast milk on the regular and a person who does Indian naked crossfit yoga 5 times per week. I'm also a male feminist and identify myself as a pastafarian Apache helicopter dog who serves only to one master: my chihuahua which I helped cross the border of Mexico because I hate Donald Trump. My dog also walks me, if you find that weird you're an arrogant ignorant homophobic globaphobic sexist.

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You just triggered me while I'm lying in my bed (my safe space).

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Hahahaha nice one !! XD this sums up 2020 pretty well!

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Best post ever!

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QT was born & raised in Tennessee. He knows the south.
The ruling petite bourgeois and their white "betters" still speak in that sissified drawl wherein they give a word just as many syllables as is possible, and an end a statement with a vocal uplilt, as exhibited here.

And, regardless of sexual orientation, they often appear to behave in an affected, quite effeminate manner. Not unlike The Lawyer character.

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I was underwhelmed by Django after hearing so much about it and finally seeing it four years after it was released. Here is what I didn't like:

1) The music. Everyone seems to really like it, but it sounded like some lounge lizard singing in some Vegas strip bar. Just didn't do it for me. Yeah, I know, the 70's.

2) Those fast closeups that you see in those cheezy Japanese movies of yore.

3) The over the top blood flow. It's just too much. What's the point?

4) The gunfights are also too over the top for me. I've seen many spaghetti westerns and this is also too much.

5) A small criticism, but where did they get shaded glasses back then? I wasn't aware that that was available eyewear in the 1850's.

6) Run time was a bit long. As many others have said, once the "interesting" characters go, the rest is a bit of a letdown.

In my opinion, Tarantino has gotten to the point in his career where he can do just about anything and all is explained by his artistic vision, good or bad. You see it with many artists who, in my opinion, start to do lesser work, but it doesn't seem to be noticed.

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"A small criticism, but where did they get shaded glasses back then? I wasn't aware that that was available eyewear in the 1850's."

Dude, it's an historical FANTASY! Quentin can do whatever the PHOQUE he wants with it and alternate the history as much as he wants because this isn't meant to be historically accurate anyway.

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he could, if he really wanted to make it a shit movie.
phuckit , give him an M16 and a spaceship.

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All of your posts, very well delineated btw, make me want to watch the film again! I really loved it and it gets more entertaining with each viewing....

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"3) The over the top blood flow. It's just too much. What's the point?"

Wtf?? Pussy.

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FYI "smoked eyeglasses" existed in the early 19th century, probably earlier. Here's a satirical woodcut from 1830 showing a pair.

https://theconversation.com/the-past-stinks-a-brief-history-of-smells-and-social-spaces-121383

Of course the pair in the woodcut aren't as dark as modern shades, I don't know when sunglasses that appear black came in. But I know that in the 19th century glasses were expensive and delicate, and the primary defense against the sun was broad-brimmed hats.

Edit: And here's a portrait of an 18th century admiral wearing a pair.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Deiw9ZaezeA/VAtrW_4K0KI/AAAAAAAAJI0/9m8K7WDp2hg/s1600/rainier.jpg


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He left the South when he was three which means he knows nothing about the South just like yourself. His concepts of bigotry are based on his own feelings and what he learned in california.

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"-hans landa with a beard. talking WAY too much (again). "

Annnndddd... A second Oscar with that! :P So, I really don't think he cares about your pathetic ass.

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It was engaging enough as a once-through, even though the standard gimmicks got annoying (and why doesn't QT hire a soundtrack composer? I'm sick of being distracted by movies used in other films, even if QT believes that he is using them ironically or instructively).

May be some SPOILERS






But the worst part was Django himself. He started out with justice on his side, even when he was cold-bloodedly killing people "legally" because they were on the bounty lists. But as he said, the dirty job made him dirty, or at least unleashed all the dirtiness that had been suppressed by his slave years. Schultz could kill in cold blood, but he deliberately restricted the bulk of it (exceot toward the end when he shoots DeCaprio) to legal license.
Not so Django, who simply killed because people were in his way (e.g., the Mining Company employees), or even worse, because he hated them (DeCaprio's sister). A lousy outcome for a "protagonist" who turned out to be a louse himself.

Of course, it's all satire and can't be taken that seriously. Thus at the end, QT/Django both wink at us, where, after Django blows up DeCaprio's mansion, has has his horse do some very cool "fancy steppin'" to impress both girlfriend - and the viewer...

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tarantino seems to be the benjamin button of cinema:
the older he gets the more juvenile and immature his films...

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That's an interesting analysis....seems right to me...but I still like what he's doing.

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here is a list of reasons why this movie is juvenile bs:

-the kuklux clan "eyeholes"- slapstick scene. in typical tarantinofashion
they keep on talking and talking...

-hans landa with a beard. talking WAY too much (again).

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To each his own, but I think the absolute key to all QT characters is how they talk and talk and talk and talk. We got this from Reservoir Dogs on. Certainly in the Travolta/Jackson scenes in Pulp Fiction(back when QT was considered God.) And in Jackie Brown(which is really a series of great dialogues.)

Coming back from his six-year break after Jackie Brown, QT seemed to have developed a new-found penchant for long action scenes with the Crazy 88's massacre in Kill Bill and the final car chase in Death Trap -- but he still didn't abandon long talking scenes: David Carradine at the end of Kill Bill 2; the girls and Kurt Russell in Death Trap, etc.

Inglorious Basterds opens with that way long interrogation by Hans Landa of the milk farmer. It runs two stops on the DVD.

And then we get the long talks in Django(principally Leo's dissertation on African American skulls) -- but with a big action gunfight in the middle. And Hateful Eight -- which QT staged as a play -- is pretty much all talk, a little violent action.

So...to not like a QT movie for all the talk in it is to...not want to respond to what QT is all about in the first place: talk. And lots of it. Well written (for this fan.)

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-the gun fights. leone and peckinpah would be rolling on their coffin floors laughing if they could see this overdone bs.

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I liked the central gunbattle in Django Unchained for a few reasons, but mainly because it managed to find a new way to present gunbattle violence after such landmark shootouts as those in The Wild Bunch and Saving Private Ryan.

One thing I liked: how each and every bad guy who got hit by a bullet screamed in agonizing pain (how often do victims, even in movies like The Wild Bunch, take the bullet hits without reacting and just dragging themselves through the gunfight to the end?) and also how they cussed when they were hit. Reminds me of how, when hammering nails, when I bring a hammer down by accident on my thumb: I scream in pain and I CUSS. I found this "new" element to a gunfight to be both realistic and funny(the way they screamed and cussed as each bullet hit.) I imagined the hammer on my thumb with each bullet hitting home.

Another thing I liked: Yes, the blood bags burst all over the place in this scene, but with surreal gallons of red-purple watery blood that spurts sky-high. I decided that the bullet hits looked like bags of Hawaiian Punch exploding. And the sounds of the bullets "zizzing" through the air. Unique in sight and sound.

Another thing I liked: various men who fall to the floor start getting used as human barricades by Django and keep getting hit by the stray bullets of their fellow baddies. Its all quite gory, but rather funny and ironic.

The best thing I liked: Django turns to fire on one baddie and the bullet goes through the man, and into the adjacent room, blasting apart things like a vase and a bowl of water as it sails across the room.



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In comparison, nobody's gonna beat Peckinpah on his final Wild Bunch gunbattle(he had unlimited time and money to film it), but I always found the build-up to Leone's gunbattles to be too slow and the shootouts too perfunctory and quick(I'm thinking of the opening shooting of the three bad guys by Bronson). I like the Django gunbattle better than any shoot out in Leone (with some deference to the build-up of the three guys in a circle in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.)

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Love Tarantino's early stuff. Not so much in recent years. Sorta.

I think what happened is that once he became huge, he is surrounded by Yes-men who never correct him. He wants a scene to drag on for 60 seconds longer than normal? "Brilliant, sir!" His musical choices and pacing have suffered. His movies now seem like they were not edited at all. Like they kept all the "best" takes and just went with it. I think this phenomenon started in between the Kill Bill movies. He is too high on his own 70's reverence. It's a nice flavor but he uses it like an all access pass to go where he shouldn't.

I liked IB but it finally made me see what is wrong with Tarantino. The man has good things in his pervy brain and I want more films from him. But I want someone to wrangle him. A co-plotter or a strong producer. I could see him doing a team up with Miller for another Mad Max movie or let that 007 rumor hatch but let Arronofski edit.

Similar situation with Tim Burton (except that I hate Burton)

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Seems to me QT lacks "soul." A good movie has a soul that makes you gravitate toward it. Increasingly, his movies seem a bit smug. An old phrase is "too clever by half." They are tolerable as entertainment, but as is the case with Django, if all it is is a fun revisionist history with misplaced cultural touchstones, it ends up being a silly indulgence. We don't really care about these characters because that's all they are - characters.

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Well said. You sum up Django perfectly and the same problem shows up in varying degrees throughout his catalog.
I will say, though, that SLJ's character in Hateful Eight registers briefly on the soul radar. Briefly.

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I agree that the deterioration started between the two Kill Bill flicks. My goodness! Jackie Brown needed AT LEAST a half-hour cut out of it! I’ve simply stopped watching the guy. Game Over.

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I finally watched this and it felt like the movie was made by a 12-year-old boy. As soon as I saw the spring-mounted tooth on the wagon, I knew this movie was a hopeless cause. The travel montage with the Jim Croce song has got to be the worst use of a pop song in film history.

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his newer western 8 crazy dudes in the west or whatever it was called was better but this movie was pretty tight

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And Al vanishes without a trace.

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